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The Templar Knighthood
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[DRAFT]Condemn FlorinGuilder

Postby The Templar Knighthood » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:25 pm

The Security Council,

NOTING that FlorinGuilder, founder, of the region "Conservative Christians" has directly broken the rules of the Constitutionhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1HxRV1lpYMSFErJWkoysd7w7S50J4Z_4Wn_amnvxO4_0/edit?pli=1 after amending it without vote or any formal announcement
AWARE that Floringulder has amended the a fore mention constitution so that FlorinGuilder will have complete power in the region
NOTING FlorinGuilder is founder of Conservative Christians
ALARMED that FlorinGuilder has broken the approved and ratified constitution
DISGUSTED that FlorinGuilder has put the safety of the region in danger for FlorinGuilder's own gain
HORRIFIED that FlorinGuilder has broken the trust of the member nations of the Conservative Christians region
RECOGNIZING FlorinGuilder has attempted to overthrow the delegate of Conservative Christians without regard for Constitution rules
ALARMED that FlorinGuilder is being corrupted and turning the region into a cruel dictatorship
ASSERTING that the World Assembly should condemn FlorinGuilder for breaking the Constitution of the Conservative Christians region and editing the Constitution without following set rules and procedures(without permission of member nations)
Hereby condemns FlorinGuilder.

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FlorinGuilder
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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:56 pm

Please, let me plead my case as I have only tried to satisfy our member nations. The people voting for this don't know the entire story. Templar was not active for about a 5 or 6 day period, so a member nation challenged him for his position, which is legal by our Constitution. When Templar came back and took down the vote of his position off of our forums, the vote was 8-0 unanimously for the challenging nation. He should not have had the power to control the forums like that. That power comes with a different office. I will now pick apart everything that is wrong with his proposal.

1. The Constitution was amended by a unanimous vote of 6-0.
2. I have not broken the Constitution.
3. I am not trying to gain for myself, but for the region.
4. Templar is the only member of the region that does not trust me.
5. I have not disregarded the Constitution by replacing Templar. It was his idea to put that the VP was appointed.
6. I hate dictatorships. They never work, therefore I would not turn into one.
7. I did not change the Constitution.

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The Templar Knighthood
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Postby The Templar Knighthood » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:05 pm

you started an illegal election, my computer had crashed,and only one person was on the ballot, also the majority of members were not on the region when i did that

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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:11 pm

Sounds like a regional spat that would be better off dealt with on your regional forum or via telegram.
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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:24 pm

Thanks Skydip. This did not seem like something that would be a Security Council issue.

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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 pm

And just to let you all know, right before he left, Templar deleted our region's entire forum website, which was where we were holding lots of important elections. Just thought I'd throw that out there to show who is really power-hungry.

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Postby The Gallant Old Republic » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:59 pm

I formally denounce Templer as a delegate and more importantly having a 'puppet member' in Conservative Christians. I defended Templer saying that he should first tell us why he did the things that caused members to call for a re-election instead he chose to throw out the election against the will of our members. Later he deleted the forums including all of our election data and banned several nations for no reason other than opposing him, nobody in the region supports him that has voiced any opinion.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:46 pm

The Gallant Old Republic wrote: Later he deleted the forums including all of our election data and banned several nations for no reason other than opposing him,

What you're talking about is a player being a jerk, which is not the business of the Security Council. You guys need to take this up in your region and stop wasting our time.

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Postby Gullud » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:16 am

Ambassador Ema Planta for the Most Serene Nation of Gullud steps to the podium,

A few weeks ago, our nation was part of a regional spat that spread over to the Security council. We were members of the Democratic Socialist Alliance when its founder decide to weld the power of the founder in violation of the Charter of the Region. Members of the Democratic Socialist Assembly attempted to come to our, and the other citizens of the Alliance, aid with a condemnation proposal. It was uphill from the start. The proposal failed badly because most members of the Security Council are not believers in the idea of a Regional Constitution (or Charter). I predict that this proposal will fail as badly as the one that would have saved my nation did. I believe that these things are better handled within region and the Security council should only come in as a last resort. While I do believe that this is yet another case of a tyrannical founder ignoring the will of the regional people, energies should be put into how to fix the founder's rights/control problem on a more holistic level. This can be achieved by helping to change international law (OOC: Game rules) as they pertain to regional politics and the control level of founders. I feel that founder issues are more wide spread than a few bad apples. I think that most of the bunch is rotten. A reworking of international law is the only to fix that.

While Gullud wished your proposal well and hope that you can get it to the floor, I do not think that Gullud will vote on it; however we are abstaining on this proposal and calling on supports of this proposal to vote your conscience here, but support a fuller, more holistic approach to the problem of tyrannical regional founders. This is particularly true for regions that were founded on the basis of the democratic process and laws that are written and governed by a binding membership document.

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Postby FlorinGuilder » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:41 am

Just to let you know, I was clearly not tyrannical if you look at the details. I was just defending my country. I was not being a dictator at all. We already had a vote on I we trusted him or not. He lost 8-0. This was the will of the region, and I just had to enforce the position with the power I was given in the Constitution.

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Postby Everbeek » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:30 am

So if I understand this right, a forum destroyer is trying to condemn the people who took action against him in the interest of their region?


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Postby FlorinGuilder » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:05 am

Everbeek wrote:So if I understand this right, a forum destroyer is trying to condemn the people who took action against him in the interest of their region?


:rofl:


Yes, thats what I don't understand. He should be the one up for investigation, not me.

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Postby The Great Destruction » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:09 am

Eh...I find it hard to care

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Postby FlorinGuilder » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:21 am

To be honest, people shouldn't care unless they were in this region. It has no effect on them and this should not be resolved by the Security Council. This is a matter of cooperation between our nations.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:24 am

FlorinGuilder wrote:It has no effect on them and this should not be resolved by the Security Council. This is a matter of cooperation between our nations.

Then STOP POSTING in this thread and LET IT DIE.

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Postby SkyDip » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:35 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
FlorinGuilder wrote:It has no effect on them and this should not be resolved by the Security Council. This is a matter of cooperation between our nations.

Then STOP POSTING in this thread and LET IT DIE.

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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.


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