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[DRAFT] Repeal Condemn True North

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[DRAFT] Repeal Condemn True North

Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:08 am

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #105: Condemn Condemn True North shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

REALIZING that no particular region was actually harmed by the actions of True North,

NOTING the sheer number of puppet nations created by True North has not harmed the international community, and it cannot be conclusively proven that the travel speed of nations was affected by the actions of True North,

CONCERNED the Security Council has carried out a grave injustice, by condemning a region that has caused no harm to the international community,

BELIEVING that True North's true goal was to earn a condemnation from the Security Council for it's actions, thus is not worthy of condemnation by the Security Council,

DISGUSTED that the Security Council has awarded a "Shiny Badge" to a region that has done nothing worthy of a condemnation by the Security Council,

Hereby repeals Condemn True North.

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #105: Condemn Condemn True North shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

RECOGNIZING the population of True North has declined sharply as puppet nations have died off,

REALIZING that no particular region was actually harmed by the actions of True North,

NOTING the sheer number of puppet nations has not harmed the world, and it cannot be conclusively proven that the travel speed of nations was affected by the actions of True North,

CONCERNED the Security Council has carried out a grave injustice, by condemning a region that has not harmed the international community,

BELIEVING that True North did not commit these actions to become the number one region in the world, but instead True North's true goal was to earn a condemnation from the Security Council for it's actions,

DISGUSTED that the Security Council has awarded a "Shiny Badge" to a region that has done nothing worthy of a condemnation by the Security Council,

Hereby repeals Condemn True North.
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Postby Weed » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:00 am

Though they aren't the same size they used to be, the last two lines win us over the the opposed side.
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Postby Sardakhar » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:55 am

If this proposal ever comes to vote, we through our WA-voting satellite state East Sardakhar will vote FOR this. The condemnation of True North is largely meaningless and has no real effects whatsoever - True North wanted to get condemned themselves.

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:57 am

United Federation of Canada wrote:BELIEVING that True North did not commit these actions to become the number one region in the world, but instead True North's true goal was to earn a condemnation from the Security Council for it's actions,

You clearly have no experience with the region at hand, then. Have you seen their WFE? They advertise the fact that the got enough puppets to be the #1 region in the world. They set out to create enough puppets to be the most populous region. If you think that was some subversive attempt to get a Condemnation you are fooling yourself.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:32 am

SkyDip wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:BELIEVING that True North did not commit these actions to become the number one region in the world, but instead True North's true goal was to earn a condemnation from the Security Council for it's actions,

You clearly have no experience with the region at hand, then. Have you seen their WFE? They advertise the fact that the got enough puppets to be the #1 region in the world. They set out to create enough puppets to be the most populous region. If you think that was some subversive attempt to get a Condemnation you are fooling yourself.


Knowing that it was going to piss off the larger regions by pushing their rankings down, henceforth knowing that a condemnation would come.

This condemnation never should have happened in the first place, as this was a job for moderation, not the joke that the Security Council has become.

Repealing this condemnation may help the Security Council regain some credibility, something YOU of all people should be for.

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:28 am

United Federation of Canada wrote:Knowing that it was going to piss off the larger regions by pushing their rankings down, henceforth knowing that a condemnation would come.

Unless you can prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, it's a pointless piece of rhetoric with no backing.
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Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:24 am

United Federation of Canada wrote:
SkyDip wrote:You clearly have no experience with the region at hand, then. Have you seen their WFE? They advertise the fact that the got enough puppets to be the #1 region in the world. They set out to create enough puppets to be the most populous region. If you think that was some subversive attempt to get a Condemnation you are fooling yourself.


Knowing that it was going to piss off the larger regions by pushing their rankings down, henceforth knowing that a condemnation would come.

This condemnation never should have happened in the first place, as this was a job for moderation, not the joke that the Security Council has become.

Repealing this condemnation may help the Security Council regain some credibility, something YOU of all people should be for.

The day C&C resolutions have credibility with serious gameplayers is the day they actually have power.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

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Postby Cromarty » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:58 am

In favour of this.
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Postby The Great Destruction » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:15 am

It is not a common practice to simply remove a condemnation just because they are no longer participating in the "bad stuff" that they were condemned for. Quit reaching for that shiny SC badge. They are not worth it. Try finding something you can actually beleive in an stand behind with reason. Then I will support your cause.

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Postby Feux » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:34 pm

The Great Destruction wrote:It is not a common practice to simply remove a condemnation just because they are no longer participating in the "bad stuff" that they were condemned for. Quit reaching for that shiny SC badge. They are not worth it. Try finding something you can actually beleive in an stand behind with reason. Then I will support your cause.

I believe this resolution needs to be replied regardless of the badge or not. I don't support this proposal however condemning a region for being a puppet dumb is rather stupid.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:18 pm

Feux wrote:
The Great Destruction wrote:It is not a common practice to simply remove a condemnation just because they are no longer participating in the "bad stuff" that they were condemned for. Quit reaching for that shiny SC badge. They are not worth it. Try finding something you can actually beleive in an stand behind with reason. Then I will support your cause.

I believe this resolution needs to be replied regardless of the badge or not. I don't support this proposal however condemning a region for being a puppet dumb is rather stupid.


This resolution does not seek to condemn True North.

This is a repeal of the Condemnation of True North, that never should have happened in the first place. They should not have been awarded a shiny badge for simply creating too many puppets, cause harm to no one, and not affecting the world in any way.

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:24 pm

Have updated to a second draft. I believe I have the wording correct now.

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Postby Feux » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:30 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Feux wrote:I believe this resolution needs to be replied regardless of the badge or not. I don't support this proposal however condemning a region for being a puppet dumb is rather stupid.


This resolution does not seek to condemn True North.

This is a repeal of the Condemnation of True North, that never should have happened in the first place. They should not have been awarded a shiny badge for simply creating too many puppets, cause harm to no one, and not affecting the world in any way.

You misread what I typed.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:32 pm

Feux wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:
This resolution does not seek to condemn True North.

This is a repeal of the Condemnation of True North, that never should have happened in the first place. They should not have been awarded a shiny badge for simply creating too many puppets, cause harm to no one, and not affecting the world in any way.

You misread what I typed.


I aplologize good sir.

I have updated it to a second draft though, trying to impress the point that the initial condemnation was a farce, and never should have happened in the first place.

Could you look it over, and suggest any changes, so we may remove this travesty from the books, and put it behind us? (no offense Delegate Vinage)
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:30 pm

This wasn't a travesty, though.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:55 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:This wasn't a travesty, though.


What would you call it?

(I used travesty instead of bullshit, to be nice) :p

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Submitted, Delegates please approve Here

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Postby Anime Daisuki » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:01 am

We should not give them more screen time than they already had. Those 3 puppet masters are not deserving of another vote.

Leave it be. AGAINST.

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:14 am

Anime Daisuki wrote:We should not give them more screen time than they already had. Those 3 puppet masters are not deserving of another vote.

Leave it be. AGAINST.


Why should they get a badge for doing absolutely nothing to deserve it?

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:17 am

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Anime Daisuki wrote:We should not give them more screen time than they already had. Those 3 puppet masters are not deserving of another vote.

Leave it be. AGAINST.


Why should they get a badge for doing absolutely nothing to deserve it?

I don't think that's Delegate Anime Daisuki's point. I believe their point is that they don't think the region deserves more attention from the SC than it has already got.

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Postby Anime Daisuki » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:18 am

They do deserve it, according to popular vote.

Just because you disagree with the majority, doesn't mean the majority is wrong.

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:24 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:
Why should they get a badge for doing absolutely nothing to deserve it?

I don't think that's Delegate Anime Daisuki's point. I believe their point is that they don't think the region deserves more attention from the SC than it has already got.


Well we for one believe that the condemnation was a bullshit move and should have never got to vote anyway.

It was a matter for technical, not the Security Council, and should not be allowed to stand.

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:33 am

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:I don't think that's Delegate Anime Daisuki's point. I believe their point is that they don't think the region deserves more attention from the SC than it has already got.


Well we for one believe that the condemnation was a bullshit move and should have never got to vote anyway.

It was a matter for technical, not the Security Council, and should not be allowed to stand.

I'm going to have agree with Ms. Anumia and Anime Daisuke - it's not like the Condemnation passed on a 52/48 line.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:36 pm

SkyDip wrote:
United Federation of Canada wrote:
Well we for one believe that the condemnation was a bullshit move and should have never got to vote anyway.

It was a matter for technical, not the Security Council, and should not be allowed to stand.

I'm going to have agree with Ms. Anumia and Anime Daisuke - it's not like the Condemnation passed on a 52/48 line.


And there is one good reason for that. Most people don't actually READ the resolution. They see the title, look at a line or two and vote based upon that.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:42 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:I don't think that's Delegate Anime Daisuki's point. I believe their point is that they don't think the region deserves more attention from the SC than it has already got.


Well we for one believe that the condemnation was a bullshit move and should have never got to vote anyway.

It was a matter for technical, not the Security Council, and should not be allowed to stand.

First, the fact that you think the condemnation was 'bullshit' is entirely your prerogative, and you have every right to think that. But we have the equal right to disagree with your conclusions about the resolution. Moreover, (and yes, I'm being a hypocrite here), cussing out the other side is not the way to make them come around to your point of view.

And how was it a matter for technical? No rules were being broken.

And if you don't think people will read the resolution, why are you bothering to put any effort into yours?
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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