[DRAFT] Commend Strawberrry Fields

[Mallorea and Riva]

I pretty much agree with Eist.

[Lopehi]

I pretty much agree with Eist.

Unless you are critiquing my proposal, don't post.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I pretty much agree with Eist.

Unless you are critiquing my proposal, don't post.

I believe that I am critiquing your proposal friend. I also believe, as Eist does, that a nation which causes the complete and total destruction of their region does not deserve a commendation by this body. I believe that Hippiedom's fate, while depressing to many, is exactly as what I had hoped it would be. So while I may commend SF for his excellent work, I do not believe that the SC should.

You don't have thread ownership here, either ignore posts you don't like, refute them, or if they break rules go to the mods.

[Proletaurus]

I can happily and fully support this Proposal. Good nation needs to be commended.

But currently it seems to be Recognised for wrong reasons. Draft says:

RECOGNISES Strawberrry Fields' (referred to as SFF from here-on in) hard work as World Assembly Delegate of the region, Hippiedom:
1) Keeping the founder less Hippiedom raid free for over a year.
2) Authoring WA SC Resolution #99, Liberate Hippiedom, which freed the region from the Black Hawks.
3) Authoring WA SC Resolution #102 Repeal "Liberate Hippiedom", to begin the refound process.
4) Successfully organizing migration out of Hippiedom to Hippy Haven with over 90% of nations making the move.

when it should recognise much more relevant things than some past WA SC Resolutions...
For Example:

RECOGNISES Strawberry Fields' continuous efforts for taking easy within region where SFF still continues spread fun among community of hippy-spirited nations
1) Founding New and more secure region for Hippies to continue being hippy without fear of malicious interventions by raiders
2) Succesfully integrating Virtues of being Hippy and Hard line Communist same time as well as Free minded eco-friendly cannabis-consumerist society with friendly and benevolent leadership over community of Hippy Haven
3) For succesfully representing values and attitudes which made possible migration of over 90% of nations of Hippiedom to follow Founder to new region
4) Blah, blah, blah... (reserved for other possible appraisals)
5) Giving example of what actually means in practice World Assembly's slogan "Spreading interregional peace and goodwill..."*

* I left that end part (Spreading interregional peace and goodwill...) of that slogan aside, because WA SC doesn't have that power in practice.



(My not so good English is not issue here, corrections can be made to apparent errors.)

[Lopehi]

I can happily and fully support this Proposal. Good nation needs to be commended.

But currently it seems to be Recognised for wrong reasons. Draft says:

RECOGNISES Strawberrry Fields' (referred to as SFF from here-on in) hard work as World Assembly Delegate of the region, Hippiedom:
1) Keeping the founder less Hippiedom raid free for over a year.
2) Authoring WA SC Resolution #99, Liberate Hippiedom, which freed the region from the Black Hawks.
3) Authoring WA SC Resolution #102 Repeal "Liberate Hippiedom", to begin the refound process.
4) Successfully organizing migration out of Hippiedom to Hippy Haven with over 90% of nations making the move.

when it should recognise much more relevant things than some past WA SC Resolutions...
For Example:

RECOGNISES Strawberry Fields' continuous efforts for taking easy within region where SFF still continues spread fun among community of hippy-spirited nations
1) Founding New and more secure region for Hippies to continue being hippy without fear of malicious interventions by raiders
2) Succesfully integrating Virtues of being Hippy and Hard line Communist same time as well as Free minded eco-friendly cannabis-consumerist society with friendly and benevolent leadership over community of Hippy Haven
3) For succesfully representing values and attitudes which made possible migration of over 90% of nations of Hippiedom to follow Founder to new region
4) Blah, blah, blah... (reserved for other possible appraisals)
5) Giving example of what actually means in practice World Assembly's slogan "Spreading interregional peace and goodwill..."*

* I left that end part (Spreading interregional peace and goodwill...) of that slogan aside, because WA SC doesn't have that power in practice.



(My not so good English is not issue here, corrections can be made to apparent errors.)

Thanks! I have published a new draft with your corrections in place. You are listed as an editor of my proposal.

I have published a fourth draft. Please critique my proposal. I plan on submitting it by the 31st.

Would you mind if I rewrote your proposal and whatever you like you're welcome to keep?

And thanks to you too! You will be listed as a co-author or editor. Your corrections are going to be published as a Sixth Draft. Right now, I'm on my Fifth Draft.

[Jamie Anumia]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

[Lopehi]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year. And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year.

Many others manage that.

And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

Except the votes of the Feeder Delegates do. And Feeder Delegates don't like adspammers. Hence you're pretty much certain to not get support (or rather, to get opposition) from their corner.

[Jamie Anumia]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year. And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

My individual vote doesn't matter sure. My vote does contribute to the vote of my region's delegate however. Whether it was raid free is irrelevant, many other delegates have managed the same.

[Vladisvok Destino]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year. And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

Just out of interest, how many individual votes are you planning to discount (or more appropriately can you afford to discount) before this foolish venture of yours falls flat on it's face?

You're right of course that Jamies vote alone would be very unlikely to change the outcome of this, but how many people have posted here telling you they're opposed to it? Then consider how many regions some of them are in and how they can influence the delegates vote in those regions.

[Ossitania]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year. And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

If you say that to everyone who says they're against, you'll quickly notice that one vote may not matter but one vote plus one vote plus one vote ad nauseam equals many votes and those many votes could end up being most votes and then oh woops you've lost the vote.

As for me, I have no strong opinions or particular knowledge of Strawberrry Fields. When I see the name I think "oh, that John Lennon guy who usually approves my proposals". And that sure is nice of him. But your job as a proposal writer is to provide compelling reasons why I, who knows nothing of Strawberrry Fields, should feel a commendation is deserved, but not only do you not provide examples of any particularly amazing feats performed by Strawberrry Fields, it's rife with other problems. For example, your proposal fails to explain why, if Strawberrry Fields wrote the repeal to help the refounding of Hippiedom, he had to organise a hasty retreat to Hippy Haven. That kind of obvious and deliberate evasion doesn't exactly engender confidence in the veracity of your claims about Strawberrry Field. The only other things you've included are "he paints real nice","he wrote an SC resolution this one time" and a definition of "puppet nation" randomly interjected into the middle of the proposal.

I am the uninformed SC voter who you have to convince. You've failed to convince me. AGAINST.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Against.
I will not vote to commend ad-spammers. And being a delegate of a founderless region for a year isn't extraordinary.

The year was a raid free year. And fine, don't commend him. One vote doesn't matter.

My single vote won't matter, but if this ever comes to vote I will be discussing it with other members of the West Pacific government and I'm pretty certain our Delegate won't be voting to commend a badspammer.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Um, why do we need a definition of "puppet nation"? It should be plenty obvious to most voters what a puppet nation is. And I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Strawberrry Fields is abbreviated "SFF"? What's the extra 'F' stand for?

[Eist]

Um, why do we need a definition of "puppet nation"? It should be plenty obvious to most voters what a puppet nation is. And I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Strawberrry Fields is abbreviated "SFF"? What's the extra 'F' stand for?

The Beatles song the name comes from is "Strawberry Fields Forever". Why OP has abbreviated it as such is not known to me.

[The Great Destruction]

In short, "Nah"

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Nothing worth commending here (if there is, somebody write one for me as well).

[Strawberrry Fields]

Greetings everyone, I feel at this time I should make a general statement and maybe address some of the side comments.

As I said within Hippy Haven already, this is very flattering, but i'm not sure i've quite done enough in the international community to have earned a commendation. I think it be best to close this thread up, and move onto something new.

With regards to where "SFF" came from, I have a handful of nations made up of a combination of Strawberry Fields Forever, so I often sign my tgs as "SFF".

With regards to the adspam, there are a handful of people who help with recruiting so it's not all from me, but my opinion on the matter is that, they're called "feeders" for a reason. Having nations automatically founded in your region seems like a luxury to me, no need to work and build the region. I would gladly stop recruiting and put up with adspam in my region if we had new nations regularly founded within the region. I realize it can be annoying to people living in the feeders and I am sorry about that, but that's how the game was designed.


Now as for Hippiedom, it's loss weighs heavily on me.. I thought I knew everything I needed to refound, I talked to dozens of people, including TITO, FRA, and UDL. I didn't reject anyone's help, TITO told me that since I was talking to FRA & UDL, that they didn't want to get involved as;

"We want to avoid a situation where multiple defender orgs are involved in a refound, logistically it's not good and friction could arise."

Which is understandable.

Although even talking to these people explaining out what I planned to do, I somehow missed one key piece of information about refounding, that you'd need a group effort. Having a handful leave the region as the new founder refounds from out side the region as the people leave the region. I thought I could just do it myself.

It is purely my fault Hippiedom was taken, while it was a group decision to refound, it was my duty and responsibly to carry out the refound and I failed my people, and I feel terrible about it.

However, to say that Hippiedom has been "destroyed" is a bit dramatic, only the name was actually taken.. Everyone moved over to Hippy Haven, over 90% of the nations making the move.

The Hippiedom community lives on through Hippy Haven, it has the same nations, same forum, same WFE, flag, embassies, allies, etc.

In fact Hippy Haven is now larger, more active, and safer than Hippiedom had been in years.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Your welcome. So can we assume this effort is done?

[Eist]

Congrats on your successful shift to Hippy Haven. It does indeed look like a thriving community!

[Sardakhar]

Here wishing that Hippy Haven will continue to flourish for the days to come!