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[DRAFT]Condemn The Nazi Reich

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Synchen
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[DRAFT]Condemn The Nazi Reich

Postby Synchen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:10 am

ACKNOWLEDGES that The Nazi Reich is a raider region that supports the ideology of Nazism and Adolf Hitler

REALISES that the nazi regime caused tens of millions of deaths and this could happen re-occur if another nazi regime is to gain power.

VISUALIZES that, as The Nazi Reich itself boats, this ideology could be oppressed on nations and regions around the world.

HORRIFIED that The Nazi Reich's recruitment messages contain hateful remarks including, "Sending Commie scum to the concentration camps".

DISGUSTED that The Nazi Reich could glorify the use of concentration camps and by extension the hatred of Jews.

UNDERSTANDS that The Nazi Reich also has partaken in raiding of some regions.

RECOGNIZES that therefore The Nazi Reich represents a danger to world security.

HEREBY condemns The Nazi Reich
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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:16 am

Your proposal breaks Rule 4(d) and Rule 4(e).
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:21 am

I think you mean "Appalled" not Appealed".

They also broke the adspam rules on the West Pacific's RMB once if that helps. :p
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

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Postby Synchen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:23 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think you mean "Appalled" not Appealed".

They also broke the adspam rules on the West Pacific's RMB once if that helps. :p


damn nazi's, thanks for the heads up!

Also can anybody help me fix the rule break, I do not know how to change it best...

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:28 am

Synchen wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think you mean "Appalled" not Appealed".

They also broke the adspam rules on the West Pacific's RMB once if that helps. :p


damn nazi's, thanks for the heads up!

Also can anybody help me fix the rule break, I do not know how to change it best...

If you are going to talk about an ideology, you need to remove the references to RL individuals and events. In the NationStates world, Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism hasn't happened. You can still mention the ideology, you just have to explain what it is.

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Postby Jekrehnot » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:29 am

Synchen wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think you mean "Appalled" not Appealed".

They also broke the adspam rules on the West Pacific's RMB once if that helps. :p


damn nazi's, thanks for the heads up!

Also can anybody help me fix the rule break, I do not know how to change it best...


Actually,the correct term is national-socialism.

Do you have any particular reasons,appart from the zionist propaganda,to hate our ideology?
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Postby Delegate Vinage » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:30 am

To get around breaking it remove the first 3 clauses which reference to non-NationStates events, same with the DISGUSTED unless they've roleplayed this? Probably reword the Horrified clause to something like:

HORRIFIED that The Nazi Reich's recruitment messages contain hateful remarks including, @Sending Commie scum to the concentration camps".
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:34 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:
Synchen wrote:
damn nazi's, thanks for the heads up!

Also can anybody help me fix the rule break, I do not know how to change it best...

If you are going to talk about an ideology, you need to remove the references to RL individuals and events. In the NationStates world, Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism hasn't happened. You can still mention the ideology, you just have to explain what it is.

Nazism is a political ideology, much like communism or capitalism. References to the ideology can remain, but as Ms. Anumia stated, IRL references to Hitler/the Holocaust must be removed.

Other than that, I don't like the idea of simply condemning for practicing an (albeit disgusting) ideology alone.

Edit for spelling
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Postby Synchen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:38 am

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:If you are going to talk about an ideology, you need to remove the references to RL individuals and events. In the NationStates world, Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism hasn't happened. You can still mention the ideology, you just have to explain what it is.

Nazism is a political ideology, much like communism or capitalism. References to the ideology can remain, but as Ms. Anumia stated, IRL references to Hitler/the Holocaust must be removed.

Other than that, I don't like the idea of simply condemning for practicing an (albeit disgusting) ideology alone.

Edit for spelling


They also have broken WA rules and they have raided regions

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:39 am

Synchen wrote:
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Nazism is a political ideology, much like communism or capitalism. References to the ideology can remain, but as Ms. Anumia stated, IRL references to Hitler/the Holocaust must be removed.

Other than that, I don't like the idea of simply condemning for practicing an (albeit disgusting) ideology alone.

Edit for spelling


They also have broken WA rules and they have raided regions

So have I, you don't see me with a badge. Your proposal will need a lot more meat to pass the scrutiny of the WA at large.

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:40 am

Synchen wrote:
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Nazism is a political ideology, much like communism or capitalism. References to the ideology can remain, but as Ms. Anumia stated, IRL references to Hitler/the Holocaust must be removed.

Other than that, I don't like the idea of simply condemning for practicing an (albeit disgusting) ideology alone.

Edit for spelling


They also have broken WA rules and they have raided regions

Broken WA rules how?

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:41 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:
Synchen wrote:
They also have broken WA rules and they have raided regions

Broken WA rules how?

FURTHERMORE rules set by the WA on regional recruitment adds have been broken by The Nazi Reich, showing a blatant disregard for authority.

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:42 am

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:Broken WA rules how?

FURTHERMORE rules set by the WA on regional recruitment adds have been broken by The Nazi Reich, showing a blatant disregard for authority.

Didn't notice the edits, my apologies. I think that clause is illegal though under 2(c).

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:44 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:

Didn't notice the edits, my apologies. I think that clause is illegal though under 2(c).

I agree completely. Your (the author's) arguments are of a moderation nature there, and therefore cannot be referenced in the proposal.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:48 am

Synchen wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think you mean "Appalled" not Appealed".

They also broke the adspam rules on the West Pacific's RMB once if that helps. :p


damn nazi's, thanks for the heads up!


:palm: I was being sarcastic.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Synchen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:08 am

Ok, is this good to be submitted then?

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Postby Leutria » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:15 am

Synchen wrote:Ok, is this good to be submitted then?


No, you have not addressed several rule violations (see the posts above mine). Also, remember, NationStates is not RL. Adolf Hitler never existed here.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:19 am

REALISES that the nazi regime caused tens of millions of deaths and this could happen re-occur if another nazi regime is to gain power.


Rule 4 violation still? Not sure.

VISUALIZES that, as The Nazi Reich itself boats, this ideology could be oppressed on nations and regions around the world.


Boats? The rest of the clause could do with some work.

Basically your resolution can be summed up as "They're Nazis and they've done some raiding".

Ok, is this good to be submitted then?


No.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Delegate Vinage » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:26 am

ACKNOWLEDGES that The Nazi Reich is a raider region that supports the ideology of Nazism and Adolf Hitler


Same issue as before. In Nationstates Adolf Hitler doesn't exist - you cannot refer to real life issues in the World Assembly and, therefore, this clause doesn't work.

REALISES that the nazi regime caused tens of millions of deaths and this could happen re-occur if another nazi regime is to gain power.


Has the nation you want to condemn done this or do you mean the German Nazi regime? If your answer is the German Nazi regime then that hasn't occurred in Nationstates and, therefore, cannot be referenced in this Condemnation. If the nation has done this - any links to back that up?

VISUALIZES that, as The Nazi Reich itself boats, this ideology could be oppressed on nations and regions around the world.


Don't understand what you are trying to point out in this part. That The Nazi Reich is a boat? :P

How exactly would this tiny nation oppress us?

DISGUSTED that The Nazi Reich could glorify the use of concentration camps and by extension the hatred of Jews.


Is - could - but hasn't? Is there any indication it might at all.

Ok, is this good to be submitted then?


Hell no. Honestly I'm not sure it will be
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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:11 pm

Synchen wrote:ACKNOWLEDGES that The Nazi Reich is a raider region that supports the ideology of Nazism and Adolf HitlerNS does not equal RL

REALISES that the nazi regime caused tens of millions of deaths and this could happen re-occur if another nazi regime is to gain power. See above. Also you can't condemn a nation based on what could occur only on what they do

VISUALIZES that, as The Nazi Reich itself boats, this ideology could be oppressed on nations and regions around the world. Not well worded and again you can't condemn based on what they could do but what they have done

HORRIFIED that The Nazi Reich's recruitment messages contain hateful remarks including, "Sending Commie scum to the concentration camps".This works

DISGUSTED that The Nazi Reich could glorify the use of concentration camps and by extension the hatred of Jews.See points 1 and 2

UNDERSTANDS that The Nazi Reich also has partaken in raiding of some regions.

RECOGNIZES that therefore The Nazi Reich represents a danger to world security.

HEREBY condemns The Nazi Reich
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:32 pm

Wheeled States of Bifid wrote:Also you can't condemn a nation based on what could occur only on what they do

Where are you getting that from?

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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:32 pm

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Wheeled States of Bifid wrote:Also you can't condemn a nation based on what could occur only on what they do

Where are you getting that from?


By your own hand:
The Security Council should recognise those whose actions align with the principles of the World Assembly.

The Security Council should acknowledge those who have a significant/unique impact on NationStates.

The nominee’s actions need to be immortalized for future generations to learn from.


The key term here would seem to be "action".
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Postby The Bruce » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:34 pm

"RECOGNIZES that therefore The Nazi Reich represents a danger to world security."

This is more about inflating the threat posed by the Nazi Reich for promotional reasons, than a realistic assessment. They've admitted to a grand total of 2 raids, against small, inactive regions.

If the world was only filled with small, inactive regions they would still only have the potential of being a threat to world security, instead of being one.

As they were founded only 30 days ago and haven't done much in that time, they aren't worth condemning. Condemning this region is more of a publicity act than anything. Should they ever amount to anything claimed by this resolution then they might earn a condemnation, but they haven't done it yet.

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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:41 pm

The Bruce wrote: Should they ever amount to anything claimed by this resolution then they might earn a condemnation, but they haven't done it yet.


That was exactly my point.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:27 am

Wheeled States of Bifid wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Where are you getting that from?


By your own hand:
The Security Council should recognise those whose actions align with the principles of the World Assembly.

The Security Council should acknowledge those who have a significant/unique impact on NationStates.

The nominee’s actions need to be immortalized for future generations to learn from.


The key term here would seem to be "action".

You're citing example reasons why the SC should commend a nation. Not rules.

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