[DRAFT] Condemn The Poor Souls of Moral Raiders

[Christian New Andalusia]

CONDEMN MORAL RAIDERS

The Security Council recognizes The Black Riders as an invader region with a condemnation for their destruction of many regions.

One notable invasion was an invasion of the Region of Ether, which was notable for a cleverly arranged series of puppets who's mottos combined read "Join the European Beard & Moustache Club!"

The leader of the Ether raid was The Poor Souls of Moral Raiders, who gained control with the support of Black Raider troops.

The Security Council's motto is "Spreading interregional peace and goodwil, via force if necessary." The Poor Souls of Moral Raiders is hereby condemned for its actions of commanding the raid in the region of Ether.

PLEASE GIVE ME SOME TIPS! THANKS!

[Communist Eraser]

I had one question I always hoped someone could answer.

Where does Ether have a lot of puppets with a similar style to those in Eastern Europe? Are they related in anyway?

[Cerian Quilor]

Too short, raiding isn't condemn-worthy.

Condemn Galliantius for being unable to hold-on to the delegacy.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Too short, raiding alone isn't condemn-worthy.

Condemn Galliantius for being unable to hold-on to the delegacy.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Just going to let you know that Moral Raiders is a puppet nation of TBR General A Million Voices, so if you were really trying for a Condemnation of the offender you could add on more things that he's done as the pointman of other large raids such as Whitereach.

[Cormac Stark]

My tip is not to go any further with this condemnation. Aside from the fact that the invasion and griefing of one region unfortunately does not meet the Security Council's standards for condemnation, another issue is that most griefers look on condemnations as badges of honor. You would in effect be rewarding rather than punishing this behavior.

[Galiantus]

Condemn Galliantius for being unable to hold-on to the delegacy.

Glass Gallows: Relatively new, small, inexperienced army
TBR: The most established, probably the largest, and most likely the most experienced army in NationStates.

I don't think it is too much of a failure on our part to suffer 5 raids, not realize a TBR sleeper in Ether, and eventually get pushed out of Ether by TBR.

You're probably just joking, anyways...

[Edit: Also, the thing me and Moral Raiders probably have most in common is that we would absolutely love to have a condemnation badge.]

[Cerian Quilor]

No, I don't think you deserve condemnation for that. But condemning you for losing the Delegacy makes as much sense as condemning AMV/Moral Raiders for being Raider Point.

[Galiantus]

No, I don't think you deserve condemnation for that. But condemning you for losing the Delegacy makes as much sense as condemning AMV/Moral Raiders for being Raider Point.

You should know by now that I think SC condemnations and liberations are basically a waste of time, and that I could not care less whether or not Moral Raiders gets condemned. And you are right: this makes about as much sense as condemning me:

1. Me and Moral Raiders had relatively little influence on him taking the delegacy from me.
2. We would both love to be condemned, so a condemnation is just a little trinket in reward for our efforts.

You are right about this.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Whitereach was a region that practiced griefing other regions and taking them as colonies.
The Whitereach Empire
I am not sure you will get the result you want if you include that in a condemn resolution.

[Sardakhar]

We fully agree with the opinion of a few other nations here, in that just one case of raiding, and raiding alone, does not fulfill the standards of the Security Council. The Emperor Longinus I, Almighty God on Earth, has instructed me to state, on behalf our nation, our OPPOSITION to this proposal and hope that it will never be officially submitted.

Jonah Zarkos
Sardakhar Ambassador to the World Assembly

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I'd rather see AMV's puppet commended for the dedication he's put into systematically destroying a region over several weeks.

[Venico The Night Father]

Who condemns a puppet?! Gosh what is the security council coming to these days.

[Cormac Stark]

Who condemns a puppet?! Gosh what is the security council coming to these days.

This. And furthermore, condemning this individual for one raid would set a terrible precedent in which we'd see condemnation proposals every time a region is raided or at least every time a region is raided and held. I'm completely against this proposal because it would weaken the strength of condemnation resolutions.

[Cerian Quilor]

Who condemns a puppet?! Gosh what is the security council coming to these days.

This. And furthermore, condemning this individual for one raid would set a terrible precedent in which we'd see condemnation proposals every time a region is raided or at least every time a region is raided and held. I'm completely against this proposal because it would weaken the strength of condemnation resolutions.

What strength?

[Cormac Stark]

This. And furthermore, condemning this individual for one raid would set a terrible precedent in which we'd see condemnation proposals every time a region is raided or at least every time a region is raided and held. I'm completely against this proposal because it would weaken the strength of condemnation resolutions.

What strength?

Touche. I've always considered commendations and condemnations fairly meaningless, the sole exception being condemnation of a nation or region that truly doesn't want it (which is relatively rare). Regardless, this level of pettiness in a condemnation would make them even more meaningless than they already are so I'm opposed.

[Galiantus]

This. And furthermore, condemning this individual for one raid would set a terrible precedent in which we'd see condemnation proposals every time a region is raided or at least every time a region is raided and held. I'm completely against this proposal because it would weaken the strength of condemnation resolutions.

What strength?

^This.

I have been trying to help the natives of Ether defend against TBR, and believe me, I would rather get actual help than have the interregional community decide to give Moral Raiders a badge he clearly wants. Furthermore, I am extremely Anti-WA, but C&Cs are all but irrelevent to me. I couldn't care less what the world oppinion is of my nation or another nation, what I want to see is actual political struggle, instead of this labeling by the WA "This nation is good, this nation is bad" which has absolutely no bearing on the outcome of gameplay.

[Cerian Quilor]

What strength?

Touche. I've always considered commendations and condemnations fairly meaningless, the sole exception being condemnation of a nation or region that truly doesn't want it (which is relatively rare). Regardless, this level of pettiness in a condemnation would make them even more meaningless than they already are so I'm opposed.

Despite their use in Gameplay, C&Cs have more impact in RP, where nations will logically treat C&C'd nations differantly.