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Condemn New Slifer

Postby Chinamerica » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:55 pm

The Security Council,

BELIEVING that New Slifer is clearly a puppet nation created for the specific purpose to raid regions,

NOTING that this nation has installed many other nations with similarly small populations who suspiciously follow New Slifer to wherever they go,

DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several puppet nations to endorse New Slifer as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,

RECOGNISING that New Slifer was banjected from the Greater German Reich and then joined the raiding group The Black Riders,

Hereby Condemns New Slifer.
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:07 pm

NOTING that he has created many nations with similarly small populations who suspiciously follow him to wherever he goes,

DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several nations (many of his own creation) to endorse him as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,

The use of 'he' and 'him' is a Rule 4 violation.
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Postby Chinamerica » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:26 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:
NOTING that he has created many nations with similarly small populations who suspiciously follow him to wherever he goes,

DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several nations (many of his own creation) to endorse him as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,

The use of 'he' and 'him' is a Rule 4 violation.

I'm sorry, this is my first WA proposal.
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:29 pm

Chinamerica wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:
The use of 'he' and 'him' is a Rule 4 violation.

I'm sorry, this is my first WA proposal.

I understand. Provided you don't submit the proposal with the rule violations and correct them now during the drafting, there is no issue.
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:13 pm

I don't think the line "of their own creation" would be legal, as it seems more like a game aspect than an in-character line. It's bumping against R4 as well.

EDIT: Also, 1,400th post. Go me.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:16 pm

It's a bit tit-for-tat-ish, given that "Condemn Chinamerica" was submitted more or less 2 days ago by New Slifer.

That, and I don't consider attempting to launch coups in Nazi regions, misleading their residents or creating raider puppets to be condemnable.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:19 pm

Chinamerica wrote:DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several nations (many of their own creation) to endorse New Slifer as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,


Maybe it's just me, but this sounds like an accusation of WA multis which would be better suited to a GHR rather than a condemnation.
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Postby The Sea Territory » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:20 pm

Both New Silfer and Chinamerica are enemies of the GGR, so the Nazis of Nationstates dislike them both.
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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:21 am

Paper Flowers wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several nations (many of their own creation) to endorse New Slifer as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,


Maybe it's just me, but this sounds like an accusation of WA multis which would be better suited to a GHR rather than a condemnation.

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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:28 am

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:I don't think the line "of their own creation" would be legal, as it seems more like a game aspect than an in-character line. It's bumping against R4 as well.

EDIT: Also, 1,400th post. Go me.

Fixed.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:43 am

Chinamerica wrote:
Paper Flowers wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but this sounds like an accusation of WA multis which would be better suited to a GHR rather than a condemnation.

What's a GHR?


Getting Help Request. If I'm reading your original clause (containing the 'of their own creation' wording) correctly you're claiming that New Slifer is controlling multiple nations to endorse themself in the WA? This would be illegal as one can only control one WA nation at a time.
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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:47 am

Paper Flowers wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:What's a GHR?


Getting Help Request. If I'm reading your original clause (containing the 'of their own creation' wording) correctly you're claiming that New Slifer is controlling multiple nations to endorse themself in the WA? This would be illegal as one can only control one WA nation at a time.

Do you think he could get banned from NationStates for that?
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:23 am

Chinamerica wrote:
Paper Flowers wrote:
Getting Help Request. If I'm reading your original clause (containing the 'of their own creation' wording) correctly you're claiming that New Slifer is controlling multiple nations to endorse themself in the WA? This would be illegal as one can only control one WA nation at a time.

Do you think he could get banned from NationStates for that?

Not unless the controlling player is multiple offender, usually. Violations of WA multying rules usually result in the nations in question being ejecteed and banned, then it escalates to the controlling player being banned from the WA, then it could theoretically lead to banishment from the game altogether.

EDIT: As a note, I'm obviously not a moderator, but the above is my best guess as to what would happen.
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Postby The Great Destruction » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:29 am

I would say that it is not likely that a player could get away with multi-ing several nations at once for a long time unless they knew exactly how each of the four methods for checking that worked and that, I beleive, is still a closely guarded secret.

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:03 am

Chinamerica wrote:Do you think he could get banned from NationStates for that?

That rather sounds like you're attempting to use mods as a weapon.

Don't. It usually backfires.

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Postby Firstaria » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:11 am

Chinamerica wrote:The Security Council,

BELIEVING that New Slifer is clearly a puppet nation created for the specific purpose to raid regions,

NOTING that this nation has installed many other nations with similarly small populations who suspiciously follow New Slifer to wherever they go,

DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several puppet nations to endorse New Slifer as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,

RECOGNISING that New Slifer was banjected from the Greater German Reich and then joined the raiding group The Black Riders,

Hereby Condemns New Slifer.


Can you find the original? I fear that if we condemn every puppet nation the raiders use (especially since now the game is ok to switching now, as they want to make it easier) we would end up condeming way too many things daily.
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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:05 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:Do you think he could get banned from NationStates for that?

That rather sounds like you're attempting to use mods as a weapon.

Don't. It usually backfires.

What do you mean as a weapon? I'm trying to report someone for creating multiple nations to raid with. I am not trying to break any rules; I am new to reporting/moderating.

Anyway I already reported him to the mods. They found no evidence of any violations.
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Postby Chinamerica » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:07 pm

Firstaria wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:The Security Council,

BELIEVING that New Slifer is clearly a puppet nation created for the specific purpose to raid regions,

NOTING that this nation has installed many other nations with similarly small populations who suspiciously follow New Slifer to wherever they go,

DISGUSTED that New Slifer attempted to raid the region of The Greater German Reich by gathering several puppet nations to endorse New Slifer as the World Assembly Delegate in the Greater German Reich in order to banject everyone and become the new ruler of the region,

RECOGNISING that New Slifer was banjected from the Greater German Reich and then joined the raiding group The Black Riders,

Hereby Condemns New Slifer.


Can you find the original? I fear that if we condemn every puppet nation the raiders use (especially since now the game is ok to switching now, as they want to make it easier) we would end up condeming way too many things daily.

I don't know for certain if there's an original nation, but this one has way too much experience to be new to the game.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56


Please sign this petition. This girl deserves justice: http://justiceforjanedoe.com/

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:13 pm

Chinamerica wrote:I don't know for certain if there's an original nation, but this one has way too much experience to be new to the game.

That's not a crime, and certainly not something the SC should concern itself with. With your moderation request bringing forth no multying evidence, this proposal is beginning to look more and more flimsy.

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Postby Firstaria » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:06 pm

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:I don't know for certain if there's an original nation, but this one has way too much experience to be new to the game.

That's not a crime, and certainly not something the SC should concern itself with. With your moderation request bringing forth no multying evidence, this proposal is beginning to look more and more flimsy.


It's not multing, is switching. It's a procedure that is not illegal. This looks more like a resolution to condemn a raider...but again, I think we should only concentrate ourselves to raiding organizations and very famous raiders to not fill the WA of proposals.
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