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[DRAFT] Commend UDL

Postby Belschaft » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:37 pm

NOTING that The United Defenders League (UDL) is an idealistic international organisation of volunteer nations dedicated to the promotion and maintenance of world peace.

AWARE that the stated goal of The UDL is to defend regions from unwarranted invasion by hostile forces who seek to conquer them and the liberation of those regions already conquered.

NOTING that the members nations of The UDL, drawn from numerous different regions, dedicate themselves to this task without any expectation or desire for reward and at significant risk to both themselves and the regions they are part of.

ASTOUNDED by the sheer number of regions that The UDL has assisted in some way or another in its brief existence.

DISGUSTED by the attack on the region Eastern Islands of Dharma (EID) launched by those very same predatory forces that The UDL opposes.

AWARE that this attack was launched as collective punishment of the native community of EID due to the membership and actions of a small number of nations associated with the UDL who originate from, though no longer dwell in, that region.

APPLAUDING the efforts of The UDL and its memberships to further goodwill and peace in numerous regions lacking the protection of a strong political leader.

NOTING the particular efforts of The UDL in Balder, where the organisation acted as peacekeepers, securing the region at is foundation and overseeing a transition to democratic government.

THANKFULL to The UDL for the role they have played in the provision of other services to the world community, such as the provision of accurate weather reporting, the creation of a record of nations military and political alignments and the organisations role in organising the NationStates World Fair.

REGRETTING the impossibility of individual commending all nations involved in these achievements for their own contributions to these causes.

Hereby Commends The United Defenders League.


I too can write a partisan C&C proposal. The difference is, beneath the spin mine is factually accurate.
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Postby Earth22 IV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:41 pm

THANKFULL to The UDL for the role they have played in the provision of other services to the world community, such as the provision of accurate weather reporting, the creation of a record of nations military and political alignments and the organisations role in organising the NationStates World Fair.


*Thankful

Sorry, wasn't going to post but that was bothering me. :P

EDIT: Grar, wrong nation. ><
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:45 pm

Strongly against. I will never ever support this proposal, and I will fight tooth and nail against this if it does get submitted. The UDL does not deserve a commendation, in the slightest.

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Postby Mahaj » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:02 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:Strongly against. I will never ever support this proposal, and I will fight tooth and nail against this if it does get submitted. The UDL does not deserve a commendation, in the slightest.

Just so we're clear, is this Jamie the neutral, Jamie the raider, or Jamie the 'other'?
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Postby Eist » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:04 pm

AGAINST automatically because the commendeer is a member of the group proposed to be commended.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:29 pm

Eist wrote:AGAINST automatically because the commendeer is a member of the group proposed to be commended.


Although, I don't disagree with a lot of the resolution's content (obviously :P), Eist is right. The UDL shouldn't be commended by its own member, there's just something fishy about that.
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Postby Solorni » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:38 pm

The UDL should only continue to commend it's own members?
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Postby Cormac Stark » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:50 pm

Solorni wrote:The UDL should only continue to commend it's own members?

Do I really need to refer you to Commend Delegate Vinage, or should we just perhaps let this line of argument go?

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:56 pm

Rachel wasn't that fond of Commend Vinage, IIRC, and neither was I.

This is just ridiculous. If we commend the UDL, we will finally succeed in rendering Commends entirely meaningless.
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Postby Solorni » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:57 pm

Cormac is so brave until people start bringing up facts :P
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:01 am

Solorni wrote:Cormac is so brave until people start bringing up facts :P

That's generally true for most UDL members.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:30 am

NOTING that The United Defenders League (UDL) is an idealistic international organisation of volunteer nations dedicated to the promotion and maintenance of world peace.


Noting that UDL can claim to be dedicated to whatever it wishes, that doesn't mean it's any good at it.

AWARE that the stated goal of The UDL is to defend regions from unwarranted invasion by hostile forces who seek to conquer them and the liberation of those regions already conquered.


Aware that UDL could state it's goal is to teach pigs to grow wings, again the likelyhood of success is minimal.

NOTING that the members nations of The UDL, drawn from numerous different regions, dedicate themselves to this task without any expectation or desire for reward and at significant risk to both themselves and the regions they are part of.


I'm curious what these significant risks are.

DISGUSTED by the attack on the region Eastern Islands of Dharma (EID) launched by those very same predatory forces that The UDL opposes.


So now UDL is claiming to be involved in EID after so much complaining that it is an unrelated region? It's nice to see the invasion was justified.

AWARE that this attack was launched as collective punishment of the native community of EID due to the membership and actions of a small number of nations associated with the UDL who originate from, though no longer dwell in, that region.


Why is this relevant to the commendation at all?

APPLAUDING the efforts of The UDL and its memberships to further goodwill and peace in numerous regions lacking the protection of a strong political leader.


Further noting UDLs membership is well known in numerous regions for attempting to undermine leadership and flaunt laws in place within those regions. It's interesting you choose now to bring this up Bel considering your recent issues in Balder.

NOTING the particular efforts of The UDL in Balder, where the organisation acted as peacekeepers, securing the region at is foundation and overseeing a transition to democratic government.


I'm sure Balder are quite appreciative of UDLs efforts given the new light you've shone over one particular LTs actions in the matter.

THANKFULL to The UDL for the role they have played in the provision of other services to the world community, such as the provision of accurate weather reporting, the creation of a record of nations military and political alignments and the organisations role in organising the NationStates World Fair.


In order:
1. The weather thing is cute, but not really commendable.
2. See above, also worth mentioning that the test demonstrated UDLs lack of commitment and support of NS rules.
3. Is the world fair really commendable? It was basically a collection of spam boards from various regions with a couple of speeches that could have just as easily been posted here and another demonstration of how many people have no idea what forum destruction is about.

REGRETTING the impossibility of individual commending all nations involved in these achievements for their own contributions to these causes.


You might actually have better luck that way, there might still be one or two individuals left in UDL worthy of commendation but the organisation itself and the majority of members certainly aren't.

Hereby Commends The United Defenders League.


Yeah, no.

I too can write a partisan C&C proposal. The difference is, beneath the spin mine is factually accurate.


Wouldn't have known it to look at it.
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:46 am

2. See above, also worth mentioning that the test demonstrated UDLs lack of commitment and support of NS rules.

what.
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Postby Proletaurus » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:57 am

Naturally Against. Defending 'World Peace' Cannot include Defense of Fascists, Nazis, Racial Suprematists etc. Filth which whole ideological approaches implies violent suppression of all Dissidents, being therefore against that imaginary 'World Peace'.

Defending 'Justice' is Pure Joke when such organisation intercepts Socialists attempt to defend Socialist Region.

UDL is propably one of most arrogant power blocks in NationStates and I personally respect Raiders much more higher than these Crusaders of What Ever suits to Them.

They do no deserve Commendation.
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Postby Delegate Vinage » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:49 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:Rachel wasn't that fond of Commend Vinage, IIRC, and neither was I.

This is just ridiculous. If we commend the UDL, we will finally succeed in rendering Commends entirely meaningless.


Not even I was. But hey-ho let's discuss that instead of the proposal presented here
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:39 am

Proletaurus wrote: Defending 'World Peace' Cannot include Defense of Fascists, Nazis, Racial Suprematists etc. Filth which whole ideological approaches implies violent suppression of all Dissidents, being therefore against that imaginary 'World Peace'.

That's why we don't defend you.
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Postby Proletaurus » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:25 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Proletaurus wrote: Defending 'World Peace' Cannot include Defense of Fascists, Nazis, Racial Suprematists etc. Filth which whole ideological approaches implies violent suppression of all Dissidents, being therefore against that imaginary 'World Peace'.

That's why we don't defend you.


And that's why you act sometimes clearly like Invader?

Do your Organisation and Allies generally consider all regions defended as a filth?
Could you specifically name what are regions that UDL do not defend?
Please, tell also Reasons for occasions when UDL act just like Invaders?
Does interceptions organical part of your 'doctrine' when speaking on other Defenders/Defender Organisations, including Antifa and The Red Fleet?
How UDL handle cases with Organisations with clear and openly declared and in practice shown Tendency to Invade and Defend depending on that particular region's nature?

...And actually 'We' Do not need your and your Ilk's defense. There is no reasons to be hostile toward UDL in principle. But your actions are what makes easy to feel some hostility and it is not same kind of hostility what we may experience with Invader/raider organisation interactions. Their intentions are usually just keeping Fun, which is hardly recognisable when looking UDLs activity.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:49 pm

My turn :P

NOTING that The United Defenders League (UDL) is an idealistic international organisation of volunteer nations dedicated to the promotion and maintenance of world peace.

World peace? UDL members have been at the forefront of most of the feeder/sinker issues for the last few months. They've slagged off other defender groups and cried piteously when someone does it to them. I'd say combined they've done 10 times more than JAL did :P
NOTING that the members nations of The UDL, drawn from numerous different regions, dedicate themselves to this task without any expectation or desire for reward and at significant risk to both themselves and the regions they are part of.

You get medals for everything :P And what risk???? I've been defending for years and i've never been at risk because of it.
DISGUSTED by the attack on the region Eastern Islands of Dharma (EID) launched by those very same predatory forces that The UDL opposes.

Whats that got to do with it?
APPLAUDING the efforts of The UDL and its memberships to further bickering and trouble in numerous regions lacking the protection of a strong political leader, according to UDL members.

Fixed that one.
NOTING the particular efforts of The UDL in Balder, where the organisation acted as peacekeepers, securing the region at is foundation and overseeing a transition to democratic government.

Its funny you should mention it since you tried to rig the first elections there. Democratic must mean UDL approved.
REGRETTING the impossibility of individual commending all nations involved in these achievements for their own contributions to these causes.

Only because you keep losing members and gaining new ones. We'd be up to our necks in repeals :palm:

Grumble over.
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Postby Belschaft » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:28 pm

In case you didn't notice DYP, this is not a serious resolution :P
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Postby Eist » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:00 pm

Belschaft wrote:In case you didn't notice DYP, this is not a serious resolution :P


*Unless people liked it
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:30 pm

Eist wrote:
Belschaft wrote:In case you didn't notice DYP, this is not a serious resolution :P


*Unless people liked it

Even if. I'm obviously against for many of the same reasons stated above.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:36 pm

Belschaft wrote:In case you didn't notice DYP, this is not a serious resolution :P

You wrote it and brought it to the SC floor, thats half serious at least. If its just spam then remove it :P
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Postby Solorni » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:43 pm

Also don't a lot of joke proposals have [JOKE] with them? and not [DRAFT]?
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Postby Unibot III » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:36 am

Proletaurus wrote:Do your Organisation and Allies generally consider all regions defended as a filth?


No

Could you specifically name what are regions that UDL do not defend?


NAZI EUROPE, would be an example. Any sort of region that is deemed to have such a social offensive on that I suspect players would have real and legitimate social and emotional reasons not to want to defend the target.

Please, tell also Reasons for occasions when UDL act just like Invaders?


I don't know what incidents you're discussing, so I cannot provide justification for them.

Does interceptions organical part of your 'doctrine' when speaking on other Defenders/Defender Organisations, including Antifa and The Red Fleet?


I think the problem is that Antifa and The Red Fleet et. al. seem to assume that they represent the Left world; yet a lot of the Left world is incredibly frustrated by their antics. The Internationale were openly condemned by one of the larger, older left regions, Democratic Socialist Assembly for their continued "support for raiding and destruction of native communities under the 'Antifa' brand", The President of the Democratic Socialist Assembly expressed his belief that ANTIFA and co. violated the Freedom of Speech and were hypocrites (i.e., fighting fascism with fascism), Former Secretary-General of the Democratic Socialist Assembly, Laevendell suggested their region could not support or condone any participation in raiding; and the region that they recently passworded, Alliance of Socialist States, communicated to me that they wanted the region liberated from The Internationale.

Just because both myself and 10000 Islands are defenderist, does not give me an excuse to go tart myself to the delegacy of 10000 Islands illegally and impose a password on the region (which is impossible, by the way, the delegate is non-executive) because I think 10000 Islands is "threatened".
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Postby Cromarty » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:39 am

Solorni wrote:The UDL should only continue to commend it's own members?

Hey, think about it for a second, if we commend all of the UDL, we won't need any individual commends for its members! :lol:
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