[DRAFT] Liberate Eastern Islands of Dharma

[Jedi-Gangsters]

BELIEVING that Eastern Islands of Dharma should be free,

Hereby liberates Eastern Islands[code][/code] of Dharma.

I would like help on drafting this. Thank you.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

The region doesn't have a password, ergo, a Liberation would be pointless.

[The Dourian Embassy]

It could keep the region from having one in the future, I don't think it's pointless.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

It could keep the region from having one in the future, I don't think it's pointless.

Which would be beneficial...how? Let TBH have their fun-they'll be out soon enough. Don't waste the time of the SC by making us vote on a pre-emptive measure.

[Jedi-Gangsters]

You really think TBH will just leave EID? I reckon a refound is in the works.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

You really think TBH will just leave EID? I reckon a refound is in the works.

If that's your logic, you still don't need a Liberation, you need defenders to go in and do their jobs. A Liberation won't force TBH to leave.

[The Dourian Embassy]

No one here cares about the if how's or whys. How could this draft be improved?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

No one here cares about the if how's or whys.

...clearly, as you can tell by my posts. That's the general problem with the WA nowadays. Ambassadors would rather simply let frivolous proposals reach the floor instead of educating the members herein. Let's not encourage drafting of unnecessary and completely pointless proposals.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You guys would be better off asking Quelesh to leave, and trying to snatch the refound if you think one is coming. Realistically the region is dead, even Unibot left it locked behind him when he moved out. Total waste of the SC's time.

[Ambroscus Koth]

This would also mean that if defenders ever took back the region and wanted to password it, they'd have to undo the liberation proposal.

[Topid]

Would support and campaign for if needed!

[Mallorea and Riva]

Would support and campaign for if needed!

Why? Why now?

[Frattastan]

The region doesn't have a password, ergo, a Liberation would be pointless.

EID isn't a target like the others - and considering that they have already been there for 48 days, I doubt they will be out "soon enough".
Simply, Invaders found out that if you password first and eject natives later, the SC will prevent them from finishing the region destruction.
So they ban all the natives first and password at the end. In that way they manage to complete the refound before a Liberation can be passed on the region.

The first MO would take less time ('cause less Influence necessary) but these days it's far more likely it would get stopped.

Of course, hypothetically speaking one could pass a Liberation before they ban all the natives and force them to give up on the raid, but then I could totally see some people complaining that the resolution is "pointless" because "the region doesn't have a password".

A Liberation won't force TBH to leave.

Yes, it will - because it will make their final goal (refound) pretty much impossible.
And they don't like wasting their time in hopeless efforts, especially when they could use their troops to raid elsewhere (for a comparison see what happened after Liberate RORMS).

Why? Why now?

Tying up 20+ invaders for as long as possible. Yay!

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

But, if the founder nation left the region for dead anyway and the region in question has essentially died as well, what's the point? Is the loss of a trophy region really that important?

[Mallorea and Riva]

Why? Why now?

Tying up 20+ invaders for as long as possible. Yay!

If you wanted to tie us up, do what I suggested, if you think we are going to refound just wait and try to snatch it it's not like there is anyone left to save at this point.

[Frattastan]

"If the founder left the region for dead ...". So what? A region isn't (or shouldn't be) the personal fiefdom of its founder.
If the region was "dead" it would have no people in it. There still are people who want to keep residing there (people who aren't just random leftover puppets), and that are being forced out.

Plus, EID isn't a founderless region like any other. It has been involved with the WA for a long time and was one of the major WA region, and thus should deserve some kind of protection in recognition of its historical importance - instead of being abandoned and reduced to a trophy as soon as it falls into inactivity and the founder gets himself DEAT.

Tying up 20+ invaders for as long as possible. Yay!

If you wanted to tie us up, do what I suggested, if you think we are going to refound just wait and try to snatch it it's not like there is anyone left to save at this point.

Sounds like advice given in bad faith, snatching a refound isn't easy at all.

[Mallorea and Riva]

"If the founder left the region for dead ...". So what? A region isn't (or shouldn't be) the personal fiefdom of its founder.
If the region was "dead" it would have no people in it. There still are people who want to keep residing there (people who aren't just random leftover puppets), and that are being forced out.

Plus, EID isn't a founderless region like any other. It has been involved with the WA for a long time and was one of the major WA region, and thus should deserve some kind of protection in recognition of its historical importance - instead of being abandoned and reduced to a trophy as soon as it falls into inactivity and the founder gets himself DEAT.

The region was dead Fratt. Nothing was happening in there.

If you wanted to tie us up, do what I suggested, if you think we are going to refound just wait and try to snatch it it's not like there is anyone left to save at this point.

Sounds like advice given in bad faith, snatching a refound isn't easy at all.

Tell that to the natives of Hippiedom

[Topid]

Would support and campaign for if needed!

Why? Why now?

Because it will make it harder for you. As far as "why now" I'd have supported it the day after the raid. I think I suggested it. But, in a region of WA authors it isn't really my place to author one. I've been acting under the assumption that if Uni/Quel wanted one, they'd write one. I'm not going to do it without being asked. However, if someone else does...

I feel as confident as you do that your side has an advantage in refounds, for reasons, and yes, Hippiedom did indeed experience that. That's why I hope it doesn't come to that.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Why? Why now?

Because it will make it harder for you. As far as "why now" I'd have supported it the day after the raid. I think I suggested it. But, in a region of WA authors it isn't really my place to author one. I've been acting under the assumption that if Uni/Quel wanted one, they'd write one. I'm not going to do it without being asked. However, if someone else does...

I feel as confident as you do that your side has an advantage in refounds, for reasons, and yes, Hippiedom did indeed experience that. That's why I hope it doesn't come to that.

We don't have an advantage in refounds that we don't coordinate. If the former Founder, and the Former Delegate, have both declined to write a Liberation, and none of the natives came forward to write one... maybe that's a tiny hint that the region is dead and deserves to die.

[Topid]

Because it will make it harder for you. As far as "why now" I'd have supported it the day after the raid. I think I suggested it. But, in a region of WA authors it isn't really my place to author one. I've been acting under the assumption that if Uni/Quel wanted one, they'd write one. I'm not going to do it without being asked. However, if someone else does...

I feel as confident as you do that your side has an advantage in refounds, for reasons, and yes, Hippiedom did indeed experience that. That's why I hope it doesn't come to that.

We don't have an advantage in refounds that we don't coordinate. If the former Founder, and the Former Delegate, have both declined to write a Liberation, and none of the natives came forward to write one... maybe that's a tiny hint that the region is dead and deserves to die.

Hahaha, right, because you're spending all these weeks just to be sure no inactive regions exist. Just the little cleaning people of NS? I've been unaware of you great responsibility before. Either that, or you're BSing about why region "deserves to die" in your mind.

Suppose I'd have to be a detective to figure out which, though.

[Mallorea and Riva]

We don't have an advantage in refounds that we don't coordinate. If the former Founder, and the Former Delegate, have both declined to write a Liberation, and none of the natives came forward to write one... maybe that's a tiny hint that the region is dead and deserves to die.

Hahaha, right, because you're spending all these weeks just to be sure no inactive regions exist. Just the little cleaning people of NS? I've been unaware of you great responsibility before. Either that, or you're BSing about why region "deserves to die" in your mind.

Suppose I'd have to be a detective to figure out which, though.

I never said I was there because I believe that inactive regions deserve to die. I'm simply asserting that Dharma is inactive, and the game will in no way suffer if the region is destroyed. I'm not TAO over here. I'm a griefer. It's what I do Topid. I'm pointing out that "saving" a dead region is an utter waste of the SC's time.

[Topid]

Because the SC spends so much of its time on valuable subjects and never sits idly with nothing to vote? This would definitely be the most interesting vote in a while.

[Frattastan]

If Quelesh (or Norivas) doesn't care about whether EID gets griefed or not, then why is he still is sitting there?
He could move on, no? Same for the others who decided to stay - and got banjected for it.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Because the SC spends so much of its time on valuable subjects and never sits idly with nothing to vote? This would definitely be the most interesting vote in a while.

I completely disagree, the Nazi Europe resolutions were far more interesting than this could ever be.

If Quelesh (or Norivas) doesn't care about whether EID gets griefed or not, then why is he still is sitting there?
He could move on, no? Same for the others who decided to stay - and got banjected for it.

Because he has nowhere else to go? Because he's inactive and just doesn't care? Because he doesn't like me and is sitting there to annoy me? Because he's an anarchist by nature and loves to see the conflict? Because he can? All are valid answers.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The region was dead Fratt. Nothing was happening in there.

Regardless of how active it is, raiders have targeted EID because of who used to call it home. EID is a highly symbolic region in gameplay and the General Assembly. In the GA, it formed half of long-standing "EID vs. AO" feud, which is why members of Antarctic Oasis were so eager to help out in raiding the region, a fact you very well know, as you're the one who counseled them on it. The sole purpose of the raid was to add insult to injury. As you said, you want "the complete and utter destruction of the region," and I think it's pretty obvious by now that the goal is to refound.

Yes, EID was "closed" by Unibot, and there was little to no activity for months beforehand. That doesn't matter. This isn't some unheard-of region. There is a very specific reason why raiders are still there, and it has nothing to do with "revitalizing" or "reinvigorating" the region. The endgame here is a locked region with a WFE highlighting the pettiness of this whole affair.