[SUBMITTED] Condemn Conservadom

[Kannap]

Proposed and Submitted by: Browera

The Region conservadom has been unjust, and deceitful.

APPALLED at the mass ejection of many nations that simply asked an disliked question.

VEXED at the immature actions of the "Governor-General" of the region and his refusal to communicate with the outside world.

UNDERSTANDING that Conservadom is hypocritical at his claims of democracy despite no freedom of speech or elections

RECOGNIZING that the region populace remains stiffed and repressed by the harsh dictator

CONDEMNING Conservadom for it's actions.


Link to this Proposal: http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=browera_1353454681

[Kannap]

Nations ejected and banned by the democracy dictatorship that is Conservadom:
Browera
Greater Broatia
Sardine World
Arkucia

Nations that fled the democracy dictatorship of Conservadom:
Kannap - after the ejection of Arkucia
*Kannap still has a puppet in Conservadom to keep an eye on the injustice

[Constaniana]

Submitting this was a bit rash, you should have worked on it in drafts, making sure it was good enough before submitting it. I agree withe what you're saying though, and as an ex-Conservadomian I understand. A lot of h's in the Aluvean Seas are ex-Conservadomians, having either been ejected or voluntarily leaving due to the hostile treatment of Roleplayers by the founder.

[Kannap]

If I had wrote it, then I would have placed it here before submitting it.. That way the bugs could be worked out.. Browera submitted this one.. I didn't know about it until after he submitted it.

- Kannap

[Constaniana]

Ah, very well. My apologies. It would be helpful if you put a link to the proposal in the OP so we can find it quicker. But the resolution seems sound in substance (Although I did seek to detect a grammatical error here and there)

[Newtered States]

Proposed and Submitted by: Browera

The Region conservadom has been unjust, and deceitful.

APPALLED at the mass ejection of many nations that simply asked an disliked question.

VEXED at the immature actions of both "Governor-General" and "Queen" of the region and their refusal to communicate with the outside world.

UNDERSTANDING that Conservadom is hypocritical at their claims of democracy despite no freedom of speech or elections

RECOGNIZING that the region populace remains stiffed and repressed by the harsh dictators

CONDEMNING Conservadom for it's actions.

EDIT: Sarcastic remark about wanting to be condemned removed.

[Dagguerro]

Appears to be a personal argument between the parties involved. Only one "evil" action hardly enough to condemn with. Region is very small and not really of note.

Against.

[The Great Destruction]

Proposed and Submitted by: Browera

The Region conservadom has been unjust, and deceitful.

APPALLED at the mass ejection of many nations that simply asked a disliked question.

VEXED at the immature actions of both "Governor-General" and "Queen" of the region and their refusal to communicate with the outside world.

UNDERSTANDING that Conservadom is hypocritical at their claims of democracy despite no freedom of speech or elections

RECOGNIZING that the region populace remains stifled and repressed by the harsh dictators

CONDEMNING Conservadom for it's actions.

Link to this Proposal: http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=browera_1353454681

These spelling errors are marked in red.

Other than that I support this wholeheartedly, but can it be made a little ... meatier? Also What is the "disliked question".

Also more than this group of nations has been slighted by consevedom (this means it has hsppened before), why not ask them for supporting evidence?

Appears to be a personal argument between the parties involved. Only one "evil" action hardly enough to condemn with. Region is very small and not really of note.<snip>

I disagree. This would be a local dispute if this was all there was to comment on but I have heard several troubling things from this region in the last ...oh...4 or 5 months. And just because it is of note doesn't make it a worthy target for a condemnation or commendation if it is sufficiently opressive or exemplary.


I would have to be FOR if this proposal comes back and gets retooled.

[Conservafriend]

(NOTE: This is Newtered States, but since the complaints seem to be lodged against my Conservafriend account, I'll use it to comment on this.)

Alright, let's break this down, now shall we?

Nations ejected and banned by the democracy dictatorship that is Conservadom:
Browera
Greater Broatia
Sardine World
Arkucia

Hmmm, let's see, Arkucia made multiple attempts to seize the delegacy in the region, despite being told more than once to stop, so of course he was ejected.

Browera actually took over the delegate spot in the region, which was fine since we were in the process of switching delegates, but then tried to use this as a hostage in trying to gain "power" in Conservadom. He also refused to cease his chants of "burn the nonbelievers" despite multiple warnings.

Sardine World assisted in Browera's coup of the delegate position.

Greater Broatia also assisted in this, and was the one attempting to use the delegate position as a hostage in order to set himself up as dictator of the region. He even flat out said that his proposed "new government" would be an oligarchy.

Nations that fled the democracy dictatorship of Conservadom:
Kannap - after the ejection of Arkucia
*Kannap still has a puppet in Conservadom to keep an eye on the injustice[/quote]

Yep, the injustice of being an inactive region. We stopped having "elections" because the only resemblance of activity that was around was "power grabs" and random nonsense on the regional message board.

I agree withe what you're saying though, and as an ex-Conservadomian I understand. A lot of h's in the Aluvean Seas are ex-Conservadomians, having either been ejected or voluntarily leaving due to the hostile treatment of Roleplayers by the founder.

The hostile treatment of roleplayers by the founder?

Well, I did not want my/my region's image being tarnished by the creepy roleplaying that would consistently be discussed in our IRC channel.
You, along with everyone else in your "little group" were told that that was not something that I wanted to be associated with, and I was quite reasonable with it, especially when the vast majority of your "roleplaying" amounts to glorified "sexting." I asked that it not be mentioned on the regional message board, or on the main channel of the IRC channel.

I pointed out that you were still allowed to roleplay, but since the regional government was being hijacked in attempt to use it as a vehicle to promote your "roleplaying." I calmly explained multiple times that that was not my vision for the region, and your group consistently ignored that.

[Conservafriend]

I disagree. This would be a local dispute if this was all there was to comment on but I have heard several troubling things from this region in the last ...oh...4 or 5 months. And just because it is of note doesn't make it a worthy target for a condemnation or commendation if it is sufficiently opressive or exemplary.


I would have to be FOR if this proposal comes back and gets retooled.

Or this has to do with your personal grudge with anyone associated with Lazzarania. Maybe it's time to move on, remember how badly the last proposal failed?

[The Great Destruction]

Or this has to do with your personal grudge with anyone associated with Lazzarania. Maybe it's time to move on, remember how badly the last proposal failed?

I have no anecdotes invovling both lazz and conservidom. I don't know why you would bring it up ths way. I have heard from a few nations (3 to be exact although one seemed less than credible) about issues that occured there near conservidom's conception. Is lazz somehow involved in conservidom?

[Conservafriend]

Or this has to do with your personal grudge with anyone associated with Lazzarania. Maybe it's time to move on, remember how badly the last proposal failed?

I have no anecdotes invovling both lazz and conservidom. I don't know why you would bring it up ths way. I have heard from a few nations (3 to be exact although one seemed less than credible) about issues that occured there near conservidom's conception. Is lazz somehow involved in conservidom?

Which three nations?

[Brotherhood Steel the 2nd]

I think what happened in the past needs to stay in the past and it's time to move on. Conservadom is Newtered States/Conservafriend's region so he is allowed to use his region as he pleases. Being a former member of the Royal Alliance and Conservadom, there have been wrongs done both both parties but we need to move on. We founded our own region for roleplaying and Newtered States still has his so drop it. Plus, WA Condemnation's don't mean much anyway. So lets all move on and go our separate ways.

[Firstaria]

Someone sadly forgot to add a subject in this proposal. Written this way, I'm assuming you are referring to yourself and not the WA, making this resolution invalid.

[Conservafriend]

Someone sadly forgot to add a subject in this proposal. Written this way, I'm assuming you are referring to yourself and not the WA, making this resolution invalid.

Doesn't matter, it appears as if it will fail to reach quorum, which is good considering how massive of an injustice this proposal is.

[Constaniana]

Someone sadly forgot to add a subject in this proposal. Written this way, I'm assuming you are referring to yourself and not the WA, making this resolution invalid.

Doesn't matter, it appears as if it will fail to reach quorum, which is good considering how massive of an injustice this proposal is.

Hey, speaking of injustice, how's the daily hanging going where you kick people out for no reason?

[Conservafriend]

Doesn't matter, it appears as if it will fail to reach quorum, which is good considering how massive of an injustice this proposal is.

Hey, speaking of injustice, how's the daily hanging going where you kick people out for no reason?

They die by stoning, please get your facts straight.

Wasn't for no reason, it was because they won "the lottery."