[DRAFT] Commend Solm

[Kingborough]

While Solm is certainly an admirable fellow, and even one of his best feats has been forgotten here - namely, IIwiki - I don't think he's yet due for a commendation, though its likely he will soon wrack up enough good deeds to earn one.

[Drop Your Pants]

RECOGNIZING Solm as a nation which has skillfully engaged in international affairs through war and diplomacy, as well as successfully participated in defending regions across the world;

Never seen him doing much diplomacy. Examples?

NOTING that Solm holds the position of Chief Lieutenant of the United Defenders League, a highly prestigious position in a top defender organization;

Its only a good position if your a UDL member No one else really cares.

REALIZING Solm’s accomplishments in technical matters, producing products that are impressive not only for their ability to make defending more accessible to other nations, but also in the sheer breadth and depth of what they can accomplish;

Haven't seen them. Are they accessible only to UDL members? If they are then its not a good thing.

UNDERSTANDING Solm's work in the creation of a streamlined telegram process for regions such as Osiris and The East Pacific, which assisted those regions in getting more member nations engaged in the regional forum;

Been meaning to talk to him about that, the damn script TG's me 2 minutes after i move my nations out of Osiris.

AWARE of Solm’s role as founder of two highly successful regions skilled in the arts of diplomacy and warfare, Judea and Ellorea, and believing that these regions would not have had the degree of success which they attained without Solm’s expertise;

Judea is now a single nation region with a password and Ellorea is fairly quiet with a password. Did he just give up on them? If so then its not a great achievement.

Overall i think it needs more work.....and some more substance than just coding. If you could remove any hint of UDL you'd be doing well. Nothing against them but it'd help relieve the suspicion that its a UDL back scratch.

[The Great Destruction]

Ya, you might say this is a baaa-ad proposal. sorry lame sheep joke lol

[Mahaj]

I can't stop you from claiming this is a +1 resolution.

I can tell you, however, that Solm fully deserves this.

That's because it is a +1. Solm is a hardworking member of the UDL, and he's done some regional stuff. Yayyyy. Good for him. Doesn't deserve a full blown commendation.

No, its because I can't remove your freedom of speech.

RECOGNIZING Solm as a nation which has skillfully engaged in international affairs through war and diplomacy, as well as successfully participated in defending regions across the world;

Never seen him doing much diplomacy. Examples?

His various roleplays?

NOTING that Solm holds the position of Chief Lieutenant of the United Defenders League, a highly prestigious position in a top defender organization;

Its only a good position if your a UDL member No one else really cares.

Not really... are you going to argue that creating a big organization isn't commendable either? That doesn't seem right, and its not.

REALIZING Solm’s accomplishments in technical matters, producing products that are impressive not only for their ability to make defending more accessible to other nations, but also in the sheer breadth and depth of what they can accomplish;

Haven't seen them. Are they accessible only to UDL members? If they are then its not a good thing.

I'm reasonably sure various technologies are available to organizations that work with the UDL (see: FRA).

AWARE of Solm’s role as founder of two highly successful regions skilled in the arts of diplomacy and warfare, Judea and Ellorea, and believing that these regions would not have had the degree of success which they attained without Solm’s expertise;

Judea is now a single nation region with a password and Ellorea is fairly quiet with a password. Did he just give up on them? If so then its not a great achievement.

Judea eventually died, for various reasons, but was still a big region in its prime.

Ellorea does most of its activity on offsite forums (and Solm does RPs on the main NS forum too), and most RP regions have a password to limit membership.

Its still an achievement.
Overall i think it needs more work.....and some more substance than just coding. If you could remove any hint of UDL you'd be doing well. Nothing against them but it'd help relieve the suspicion that its a UDL back scratch.[/quote]

[Vladisvok Destino]

Never seen him doing much diplomacy. Examples?

His various roleplays?

Considering your insistence on evidence in other topics, some links wouldn't hurt your case.

Its only a good position if your a UDL member No one else really cares.

Not really... are you going to argue that creating a big organization isn't commendable either? That doesn't seem right, and its not.

You still haven't actually given a reason why this is a commendable quality, tbh sounds more like a reason for a condemnation.

Haven't seen them. Are they accessible only to UDL members? If they are then its not a good thing.

I'm reasonably sure various technologies are available to organizations that work with the UDL (see: FRA).

So to UDL/FRA this might be commendable, why would the rest of the world care to commend him for it?

Judea is now a single nation region with a password and Ellorea is fairly quiet with a password. Did he just give up on them? If so then its not a great achievement.

Judea eventually died, for various reasons, but was still a big region in its prime.

Ellorea does most of its activity on offsite forums (and Solm does RPs on the main NS forum too), and most RP regions have a password to limit membership.

Its still an achievement.

Again some more evidence would do you well here, that either region is/was major enough to be considered and that Solms contributions were what caused that.

Too much UDLer commending UDLer for being in UDL at the moment.

[Drop Your Pants]

His various roleplays?

Maybe add in RP to the line. I thought you meant in Gameplay....and i've yet to see him solve something diplomatically

Not really... are you going to argue that creating a big organization isn't commendable either? That doesn't seem right, and its not.

Thought Unibot made the UDL. How does being a high ranked member of the UDL affect others outside the org? If he held previous positions it might fly but only one?

I'm reasonably sure various technologies are available to organizations that work with the UDL (see: FRA).

A lot of it is accessible through the UDL forums / membership, or simply contacting Solm.

So they're only accessible to defenders? Not much depth there

Judea eventually died, for various reasons, but was still a big region in its prime.

Define big for me? I've never heard of them.

Ellorea does most of its activity on offsite forums (and Solm does RPs on the main NS forum too), and most RP regions have a password to limit membership.

Their forum is dead and their sign up topic in RP was last used in July. I'm sure there's topics the members are active in but i can't find them.

[Patricant]

I would support this if it reaches proposal stage.

[Sciongrad]

Vehemently against - the candidate, who I'm sure is worthy of a commendation, shouldn't have to receive one of such a shoddy nature; hastily brought together by an author with a greater interest in his resolution count than the recognition of his nominees. It's unfortunate that the SC has devolved into a tool used almost exclusively by certain cliques of the gameplay community for fulfilling their own interests.

[Astarial]

Solmy has done a ton of technical work that I think he absolutely deserves to be commended for. A lot of his stuff is strictly geared for defenders, but he's also always happy to help out with minor scripting requests to assist in certain boring chores.

[Imperium Nova Roma]

Vehemently against - the candidate, who I'm sure is worthy of a commendation, shouldn't have to receive one of such a shoddy nature; hastily brought together by an author with a greater interest in his resolution count than the recognition of his nominees. It's unfortunate that the SC has devolved into a tool used almost exclusively by certain cliques of the gameplay community for fulfilling their own interests.

I can't believe how wrong you are.

I'm pretty sure Mahaj doesn't give a pint of piss for his resolution count, I sure don't.

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[Mahaj]

Vehemently against - the candidate, who I'm sure is worthy of a commendation, shouldn't have to receive one of such a shoddy nature; hastily brought together by an author with a greater interest in his resolution count than the recognition of his nominees. It's unfortunate that the SC has devolved into a tool used almost exclusively by certain cliques of the gameplay community for fulfilling their own interests.

ITT:

> everybody says that its just a +1 resolution
> nobody can back it up.

[Vladisvok Destino]

Solmy has done a ton of technical work that I think he absolutely deserves to be commended for. A lot of his stuff is strictly geared for defenders, but he's also always happy to help out with minor scripting requests to assist in certain boring chores.

This might be something you want to focus on more in the proposal then, right now a lot of the technical stuff still reads as UDLer commending UDLer.

[Sciongrad]

Vehemently against - the candidate, who I'm sure is worthy of a commendation, shouldn't have to receive one of such a shoddy nature; hastily brought together by an author with a greater interest in his resolution count than the recognition of his nominees. It's unfortunate that the SC has devolved into a tool used almost exclusively by certain cliques of the gameplay community for fulfilling their own interests.

I can't believe how wrong you are.

I'm pretty sure Mahaj doesn't give a pint of piss for his resolution count, I sure don't.

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You seriously contend the notion that the SC is almost used exclusively by prominent defenders, such as Mahaj? And that the majority of Mahaj's resolutions are just commending other UDLers, or (as seen recently) repealing the commendations of adversaries on a premise that Mahaj himself has subscribed to in the past? You might disagree with that Mahaj does it only for the badges, but he definitely doesn't do it because he has a genuinely non-partisan interest in promoting valuable players. It's outrageous that you can't see that.

[Unibot III]

I should note, the UDL does go out of its way to approach great players.. thus there is no coincidence that there are lot of commended players on our staff (Goobergunchia, Rt. Lt. Ballotonia, Commerce Heights, Glen-Rhodes, Imagey Nation, Bergnovinaia, Topid) and probably more to come. Furthermore, it's no coincidence that out of that selection of great players, Solm is my second-in-command -- that shound be rather telling, he's one of the strongest military and technical authorities in the UDL and I rely on him a lot.

[Captain Apollo]

So now we're commending Defenders for being Defenders?

[Unibot III]

So now we're commending Defenders for being Defenders?

Just like how we commend WA Authors for being Excellent WA Authors and Politicians for being Excellent Politicians and NS-Sporters for being Excellent NS-Sporters. >_>

Furthermore, commending defenders for being defenders is by far not a new trend.

[Captain Apollo]

So now we're commending Defenders for being Defenders?

Just like how we commend WA Authors for being Excellent WA Authors and Politicians for being Excellent Politicians and NS-Sporters for being Excellent NS-Sporters. >_>

Furthermore, commending defenders for being defenders is by far not a new trend.

Yes, but this resolution is pretty much "Great job Solm for being a good and dedicated member of the UDL and helping us out!" and "Mahaj get's one more! Yay!"

[Itailian Maifias]

AWARE of Solm’s role as founder of two highly successful regions skilled in the arts of diplomacy and warfare, Judea and Ellorea, and believing that these regions would not have had the degree of success which they attained without Solm’s expertise;

Come again? Calling Ellorea an highly successful region is like calling Mitt Romney a highly trustworthy individual. Ellorea has been around for more then a year now and we haven't done anything.

Sorry Solmie, nothing personal, I just /hate/ incorrect facts.

[Cromarty]

AWARE of Solm’s role as founder of two highly successful regions skilled in the arts of diplomacy and warfare, Judea and Ellorea, and believing that these regions would not have had the degree of success which they attained without Solm’s expertise;

Come again? Calling Ellorea an highly successful region is like calling Mitt Romney a highly trustworthy individual. Ellorea has been around for more then a year now and we haven't done anything.

Sorry Solmie, nothing personal, I just /hate/ incorrect facts.

The fact that Ellorea has been around more than a year is a success, when you looking at the general trend in RP regions.

[Human Metrinome]

Nothing personal but we feel there are nations more deserving of commendations.

[Sciongrad]

I should note, the UDL does go out of its way to approach great players.. thus there is no coincidence that there are lot of commended players on our staff (Goobergunchia, Rt. Lt. Ballotonia, Commerce Heights, Glen-Rhodes, Imagey Nation, Bergnovinaia, Topid) and probably more to come. Furthermore, it's no coincidence that out of that selection of great players, Solm is my second-in-command -- that shound be rather telling, he's one of the strongest military and technical authorities in the UDL and I rely on him a lot.

All of the players you listed, with the exception of Goobergunchia, were commended by other UDLers, which is the problem. If those players weren't commended by their fellow defenders, I have doubts that they'd ever be considered. There are, of course, exceptions with players like Ballo, and Commerce Heights, but I feel like the SC has become a reward system for the UDL (and others) to reward their friends, and to punish their enemies. Solm might very well be deserving of a commendation, but the fact that he's been nominated by a subordinate from an organization that has a chronic history of crony commendations seriously diminishes its value. What's the point of commending someone if it's going to cause controversy that will forever be associated with their commendation? I hope Mahaj considers that before he throws around any more commendations.

[Itailian Maifias]

I should note, the UDL does go out of its way to approach great players.. thus there is no coincidence that there are lot of commended players on our staff (Goobergunchia, Rt. Lt. Ballotonia, Commerce Heights, Glen-Rhodes, Imagey Nation, Bergnovinaia, Topid) and probably more to come. Furthermore, it's no coincidence that out of that selection of great players, Solm is my second-in-command -- that shound be rather telling, he's one of the strongest military and technical authorities in the UDL and I rely on him a lot.

All of the players you listed, with the exception of Goobergunchia, were commended by other UDLers, which is the problem. If those players weren't commended by their fellow defenders, I have doubts that they'd ever be considered. There are, of course, exceptions with players like Ballo, and Commerce Heights, but I feel like the SC has become a reward system for the UDL (and others) to reward their friends, and to punish their enemies. Solm might very well be deserving of a commendation, but the fact that he's been nominated by a subordinate from an organization that has a chronic history of crony commendations seriously diminishes its value. What's the point of commending someone if it's going to cause controversy that will forever be associated with their commendation? I hope Mahaj considers that before he throws around any more commendations.

Did you stop to consider the fact that perhaps it's because all of their friends/people they associate with are in the UDL?

I'm not a member, but if I remember rightly, it's a rather large organization and I doubt any raider is going to nominate Solm, a UDL officer, for a commendation no matter what he does unless it's something no short of reinventing the game. So of course, you're going to get UDL cross nominating UDL members, just like I'm sure FRA cross nominated from within it's own ranks, and so on and so forth.

[Feuer Ritter]

AGAINST, like the defenders use to say that raiders don't deserve condemnations, why should the defenders get commendations.