[SUBMITTED] Liberate Gargantuan

[United Federation of Canada]

Description: The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING Gargantuan  as a peace-loving region home to many nations over the year since its founding in 2011;

CONCERNED that The Confederacy of Reagan Island has recently taken power and password protected the region;

FURTHER CONCERNED that The Confederacy of Reagan Island has recently began to eject member nations from the region in an attempt to destroy the region;

OBSERVING that The Confederacy of Reagan Island elected on 2012, August 30 barred free entry to the region;

REAFFIRMING the mission statement of the Security Council: "Spreading inter regional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary";

DECLARING that the Security Council must be prepared to use the powers at its disposal to allow free entry into a region currently controlled by a nation with the intent on destroying such region;

HEREBY Liberates Gargantuan.

[The Great Destruction]

<snip>... and password protected the region;

possible rules violation: refering to the game as a game, although indirectly Apearently this is fine.




You should consider leaving a version up for critique before submitting, for a longer period (2-3 days at least) in the future .

[Sedgistan]

<snip>... and password protected the region;

possible rules violation: refering to the game as a game, although indirectly

It's mentioned in the Compendium as fine - plus there's loads of precedent of it being used in proposals.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

No-name region, no real active community, even when they were "invaded"...I see no reason to Liberate.

[Lysandrion]

No-name region, no real active community, even when they were "invaded"...I see no reason to Liberate.

Actually, I see no reason to not liberate - why should we perceive the size or the fame of particular region as a decisive argument for or against liberation? Where actually has it been stated that the SC limits its noble purpose "to spread interregional peace etc." only to the big, renowned regions with oversized governments and regional lotteries?

[Cormac Stark]

This is unlikely to reach quorum as written. I'd be willing to help you revise this and campaign for it, though I would like to see some evidence a) that the Delegate is not a native of Gargantuan; b) that the actions of the Delegate are opposed by other natives of Gargantuan. I am aware that the Delegate contacted at least one imperialist region asking it to take Gargantuan as a colony in order to sustain his Delegacy indefinitely, so I'm inclined to think he doesn't have the best of intentions.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

No-name region, no real active community, even when they were "invaded"...I see no reason to Liberate.

Actually, I see no reason to not liberate - why should we perceive the size or the fame of particular region as a decisive argument for or against liberation? Where actually has it been stated that the SC limits its noble purpose "to spread interregional peace etc." only to the big, renowned regions with oversized governments and regional lotteries?

My argument focuses more on the fact there is no activity in the region nor real native presence resisting said hostile takeover. The fact that it's, coincidentally, a tiny region that no one seems to care about is just icing on the cake for me.

[United Federation of Canada]

Actually, I was contacted by a former member of the region. As I said in the proposal the Delegate was elected and proceeded to password the region, and bar members in a flagrant attempt to destroy the region as quoted right from the region factbook "As Delegate, I want to destroy all possibility for Gargantuan to rise from the rubble. Thanks be to me, The Confederacy of Reagan Island, for the destruction of this region."

This simply cannot be allowed to stand. Why should a delegate be allowed to take power in a founderless region, with the sole intent on destroying such region. It is a disgrace and should violate everything the Security Council stands for, such as security in that region.

I implore all delegates to please push this motion to quorum, so that the nations of NationStates may decide if The Confederacy of Reagan Island should simply be permitted to destroy a region THAT IT DID NOT FOUND based solely on the whim of such nation.

I thank you for your time on this matter.

[Reagan Island]

We have been severely misrepresented. As in inside joke, I RECENTLY updated our Factbook to reflect the quote stated above. It has, and always will be, the desire of this nation to uphold the security and sanctity of Gargantuan.

I am a native of Gargantuan. I have the full support if the GPC, a board consisted entirely of nations seeking to protect the region at all costs. We have suffered multiple attacks in the past, and the password protection is what protects us.

I have updated our Factbook to reflect the true intentions of our region.

May I ask what nation contacted you? I have ejected two nations. Both of which are under investigation. Pending approval, they will (happily) be restored and welcomed to Gargantuan.

[Eist]

I am a native of Gargantuan.

Your nation has existed for all of 2 months. Whether or not you consider yourself a native, you have ejected nations from the region that were in the region before you were even conceived. Don't even try that "native" BS; you are a region griefer through-and-through.

[Cinistra]

People shouldn't be so eager jumping onto any liberation proposal there is. Liberations is clearly an instrument of the WA to restore interregional peace. The matters in Gargantuan is purely of internal matters, and as such clearly outside the mandate of the WASC. And how can we be certain that the authors of this proposal have the best of intentions? Their claim in the text of the resolution? That's biased for sure.

[Eist]

People shouldn't be so eager jumping onto any liberation proposal there is. Liberations is clearly an instrument of the WA to restore interregional peace. The matters in Gargantuan is purely of internal matters, and as such clearly outside the mandate of the WASC. And how can we be certain that the authors of this proposal have the best of intentions? Their claim in the text of the resolution? That's biased for sure.

What do you mean by "Liberations is [sic] clearly an instrument of the WA to restore interregional peace"? In your mind, what liberation proposals that have passed are "interregional"? Because liberation resolutions only operate within a single region at a time, I fail to see how this makes sense.

Here are the facts: a nation moves in, takes the delegacy, passwords the region, ejects nations that were in the region before the delegate even existed, then delegate threatens to "burn the region to the ground".

For me, this is justification enough to entertain the idea of a liberation resolution.

I don't know where you get your ideas from, Cinistra, but, more than anyone else's ideas, yours really perplex me. I await your response.

[Vladisvok Destino]

I am a native of Gargantuan.

Your nation has existed for all of 2 months. Whether or not you consider yourself a native, you have ejected nations from the region that were in the region before you were even conceived. Don't even try that "native" BS; you are a region griefer through-and-through.

Once again we see TITO deciding who does and doesn't have a right to a region, if there was no other reason then this post is all the justification needed to vote against.

[Jamie Anumia]

Opposed. As always, the nation of Jamie Anumia will stand against the SC interfering in the affairs of regions in the form of 'liberations'.
~ WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith ~

[Eist]

Your nation has existed for all of 2 months. Whether or not you consider yourself a native, you have ejected nations from the region that were in the region before you were even conceived. Don't even try that "native" BS; you are a region griefer through-and-through.

Once again we see TITO deciding who does and doesn't have a right to a region, if there was no other reason then this post is all the justification needed to vote against.

TITO doesn't make any final decisions in SC matters, each member gets a single vote, just like everyone else. All I can do here (like you, obviously) is speak my opinions. If my opinions offend you, this game is probably not for you. Anyway, it sounds great as a throwaway comment, though.

Oh, and you vote against? I'm so surprised. Generic TITO bashing and native suppression all condensed into one sentence. Impressive.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Oh, and you vote against? I'm so surprised. Generic TITO bashing and native suppression all condensed into one sentence. Impressive.

I at least try to spread mine out into multiple sentences.

[United Federation of Canada]

"Once again we see TITO deciding who does and doesn't have a right to a region, if there was no other reason then this post is all the justification needed to vote against."

Let me make this 110% clear. I DO NOT represent TITO in this matter. TITO is an organization that defends regions, that I am not affiliated with at this time.

Cinistra wrote:
People shouldn't be so eager jumping onto any liberation proposal there is. Liberations is clearly an instrument of the WA to restore interregional peace. The matters in Gargantuan is purely of internal matters, and as such clearly outside the mandate of the WASC. And how can we be certain that the authors of this proposal have the best of intentions? Their claim in the text of the resolution? That's biased for sure.

Please explain to me how this is outside the mandate of the Security Council when Reagan Island has existed for 2 months, usurped power of a founderless region, and passworded the region, while simultaneously banjecteting several NATIVE nations. How does this promote security of a region, when clearly Reagan Island is set on destroying the region?

"We have been severely misrepresented. As in inside joke, I RECENTLY updated our Factbook to reflect the quote stated above. It has, and always will be, the desire of this nation to uphold the security and sanctity of Gargantuan.

I am a native of Gargantuan. I have the full support if the GPC, a board consisted entirely of nations seeking to protect the region at all costs. We have suffered multiple attacks in the past, and the password protection is what protects us.

I have updated our Factbook to reflect the true intentions of our region.

May I ask what nation contacted you? I have ejected two nations. Both of which are under investigation. Pending approval, they will (happily) be restored and welcomed to Gargantuan."

Don't try that Native BS. You have existed for 2 months. How could you possibly be native to the region, when the region was founded long before you came into being? I have spoken with several former members of GARGANTUAN, who were recently banjected from the region and they say different. I am not going to name names here because I do not in any way represent those nations, and if they wish to voice their opinions on the international stage then they are free to do so.

If you could provide evidence to the contrary, then I would be fully in favour of letting this issue die and not revisiting it. If it can be proven that The Canadian Federation has been drawn into an internal matter of your region, and that your claims are legitimate then I would be fully willing to apologize to your nation, but I highly susepct your claims are not legitimate.

All The Canadian Federation is concerned with is regional peace. Remove the password protection on your region, and let the nations that were ejected for no cause back in, and the issue goes away, SIMPLE AS THAT.

[Jamie Anumia]

OBSERVING that The Confederacy of Reagan Island elected on 2011, August 30 barred free entry to the region;

You may want to correct that clause.

[United Federation of Canada]

I stand corrected. That was typo on my part that i had not noticed, I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[Reagan Island]

If you could provide evidence to the contrary, then I would be fully in favour of letting this issue die and not revisiting it. If it can be proven that The Canadian Federation has been drawn into an internal matter of your region, and that your claims are legitimate then I would be fully willing to apologize to your nation, but I highly susepct your claims are not legitimate.

All The Canadian Federation is concerned with is regional peace. Remove the password protection on your region, and let the nations that were ejected for no cause back in, and the issue goes away, SIMPLE AS THAT.

I CAN speak to the contrary. You say I'm not a native. I was born into that region, so to speak. I campaigned for the position of delegate. You say that I "usurped authority". That is false, Ambassador. That is false. You say that I "banjected several nations". That is false. I have never banjected a single nation. That claim is absolutely false. I simply ejected two nations.

I have an entire board of nations that were chosen by the people to oversee the security of the region. There are two newer nations serving on the board, but no one else wanted to be involved.

Here's the deal: this is a desperate attempt by nations that are jealous of my small region's security and is attempting to break our security. If this is TiTO, I am deeply disappointed. We attempted to establish ties between our nation and 10,000 Islands. We were denied that right.

You want to help us? Let us work this out. The oldest nation in Gargantuan is siding with me on this issue.

[Cormac Stark]

TITO doesn't make any final decisions in SC matters, each member gets a single vote, just like everyone else. All I can do here (like you, obviously) is speak my opinions. If my opinions offend you, this game is probably not for you. Anyway, it sounds great as a throwaway comment, though.

Oh, and you vote against? I'm so surprised. Generic TITO bashing and native suppression all condensed into one sentence. Impressive.

Haven't you heard, Eist? If you belong to a defender organization, you automatically speak for its entire membership. Of course Vlad doesn't speak for the Medjai Guard or the Cat Burglars and Skyrim Diplomacy doesn't speak for the Europeian Republican Navy, though. They're not defenders.

Having contacted the invader Delegate and having examined the RMB, I'm firmly of the opinion that a) the Delegate made promises that he has now blatantly broken in order to be elected to the Delegacy of Gargantuan; and b) the Delegate has nothing but selfish intentions toward the region of Gargantuan. I will be contacting United Federation of Canada with some suggested revisions and helping get a revised liberation resolution to quorum. Hopefully it won't come too late to stop Reagan Island's destruction of the region.

[United Federation of Canada]

If you could provide evidence to the contrary, then I would be fully in favour of letting this issue die and not revisiting it. If it can be proven that The Canadian Federation has been drawn into an internal matter of your region, and that your claims are legitimate then I would be fully willing to apologize to your nation, but I highly susepct your claims are not legitimate.

All The Canadian Federation is concerned with is regional peace. Remove the password protection on your region, and let the nations that were ejected for no cause back in, and the issue goes away, SIMPLE AS THAT.

I CAN speak to the contrary. You say I'm not a native. I was born into that region, so to speak. I campaigned for the position of delegate. You say that I "usurped authority". That is false, Ambassador. That is false. You say that I "banjected several nations". That is false. I have never banjected a single nation. That claim is absolutely false. I simply ejected two nations.

I have an entire board of nations that were chosen by the people to oversee the security of the region. There are two newer nations serving on the board, but no one else wanted to be involved.

Here's the deal: this is a desperate attempt by nations that are jealous of my small region's security and is attempting to break our security. If this is TiTO, I am deeply disappointed. We attempted to establish ties between our nation and 10,000 Islands. We were denied that right.

You want to help us? Let us work this out. The oldest nation in Gargantuan is siding with me on this issue.

I beleive this thread speaks for itself viewtopic.php?f=12&t=195665

[United Federation of Canada]

You have an entire board of nations that were chosen by the people? You only have 7 nations and they are all on your so called council. Seems highly suspicious to me if I must say.

[Reagan Island]

Do you fail to realize that my associate delegate, the second in command, so-to-speak, is a nation that has been in Gargantuan from the very beginning? I have support from the oldest nation: The Sword republic! I have native support.

The thread that you pointed out says nothing to the contrary of what I'm saying. I have ejected 2 nations. I admit that! The others - ALL THE OTHERS - have "died" because of inactivity. I'm working with the hand I've been dealt. I'm trying my very best to work the region.

[Reagan Island]

You have an entire board of nations that were chosen by the people? You only have 7 nations and they are all on your so called council. Seems highly suspicious to me if I must say.

That board was formed when I first arrived. When I arrived there were around 50 nations! The active ones - all 7 (or however many there are) agreed to appoint those nations to their positions.

People, look. This is a desperate attempt to persuade you to vote against my authority. I have never - not even once - been questioned on how I do things until Yulnovo and the Fiefdom of AXE was cut out during the investigation.