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Thomas Insaniac
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Postby Thomas Insaniac » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:01 pm

Anything else I should change?
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Cinistra
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Postby Cinistra » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:16 am

Eist wrote:
Thomas Insaniac wrote:A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?


Both. As I have stated above, I don't think he should be condemned for his actions. I can't think of any raider that deserves this badge at this moment. And the content is not that well worded (which is often fine if I support it), but more importantly you have factual errors: for example, your defining paragraph starting "SHOCKED" has the name of the region invaded spelt incorrectly.

Interesting :eyebrow: . Not that any raider ever deserves a condemnation, though.
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Postby Feuer Ritter » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:31 am

RORMS was a raid conducted by TBR not by Tim-Opolis.
A raider that turns defender doesn't deserve a condemnation, defectors and traitors are killed not decorated.
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Postby McMasterdonia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:37 am

Feuer Ritter wrote:RORMS was a raid conducted by TBR not by Tim-Opolis.
A raider that turns defender doesn't deserve a condemnation, defectors and traitors are killed not decorated.


:rofl:

Yay for extremism. Whether he has changed today or not, that does not excuse the actions of the past. He is still just as responsible and deserving of condemnation for his past actions.
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Postby Cinistra » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:02 am

Feuer Ritter wrote:RORMS was a raid conducted by TBR not by Tim-Opolis.
A raider that turns defender doesn't deserve a condemnation, defectors and traitors are killed not decorated.

I eagerly await the execution of Tim-Opolis :p .
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>Can I invade other people's regions?

Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the WA Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.
>Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?

You can try. Invader Delegates tend to have very little Regional Influence, which makes ejecting long-time residents difficult. But Delegates can be as kind, generous, evil, or despotic as they wish. It's up to regional residents to elect good Delegates.
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Postby Jakker » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:30 am

McMasterdonia wrote:
Feuer Ritter wrote:RORMS was a raid conducted by TBR not by Tim-Opolis.
A raider that turns defender doesn't deserve a condemnation, defectors and traitors are killed not decorated.


:rofl:

Yay for extremism. Whether he has changed today or not, that does not excuse the actions of the past. He is still just as responsible and deserving of condemnation for his past actions.


Tim is only being considered for a condemnation because he switched. As mentioned above, people seem to dislike the idea of rewarding a raider for raiding, but now that he's not a raider, he seems like such a bad man.

I'm not saying that Tim wasn't a decent raider, but I find it fairly embarrassing if a condemnation is to be written for someone because they raided and that someone barely did anything noteworthy. If Tim deserves a condemnation on these grounds, I can name at least 20 more raiders off the top of my head who deserve it more.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:56 am

Jakker wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:
:rofl:

Yay for extremism. Whether he has changed today or not, that does not excuse the actions of the past. He is still just as responsible and deserving of condemnation for his past actions.


Tim is only being considered for a condemnation because he switched. As mentioned above, people seem to dislike the idea of rewarding a raider for raiding, but now that he's not a raider, he seems like such a bad man.

Whilst not wishing to speak for the author of the proposal, I would've tried something like this a while ago if I wasn't devoid of all energy and motivation.
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Postby Frattastan » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:02 am

Against, Tim deserves nothing - neither honour, nor dishonour. Nothing.
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:46 am

Frattastan wrote:Against, Tim deserves nothing - neither honour, nor dishonour. Nothing.

Seems a bit black and white if you ask me. :lol:
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Postby Belschaft » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:25 am

Cromarty wrote:I was doing this months before Bel ever did. Where's the focus on me? :(

Hey, you should have coined a snappy new term for it like I did :P
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:09 am

Jakker wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:
:rofl:

Yay for extremism. Whether he has changed today or not, that does not excuse the actions of the past. He is still just as responsible and deserving of condemnation for his past actions.


Tim is only being considered for a condemnation because he switched. As mentioned above, people seem to dislike the idea of rewarding a raider for raiding, but now that he's not a raider, he seems like such a bad man.

I'm not saying that Tim wasn't a decent raider, but I find it fairly embarrassing if a condemnation is to be written for someone because they raided and that someone barely did anything noteworthy. If Tim deserves a condemnation on these grounds, I can name at least 20 more raiders off the top of my head who deserve it more.


My thoughts on the matter are pretty much what Jakker said. There's plenty of people in R/D ahead of me on the "Who To Condemn" Board.

Would I object to the badge? No.
Do I actually think I deserve the badge? Nope.
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Postby Frattastan » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:26 am

Agreed. The resolution is funny as a joke, but I wouldn't support it if submitted.
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Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:
Frattastan wrote:Against, Tim deserves nothing - neither honour, nor dishonour. Nothing.

Seems a bit black and white if you ask me. :lol:


It's almost like I think that there are only two, pretty much opposite (black-and-white), categories of nation-targeting SC resolutions. Silly me. :P
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:33 am

Frattastan wrote:It's almost like I think that there are only two, pretty much opposite (black-and-white), categories of nation-targeting SC resolutions. Silly me. :P

...fair enough, salesman. :p
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