{DRAFT} Condemn Tim-Opolis

[Thomas Insaniac]

Condemn Tim-Opolis

NOTICING the nation of Tim-Opolis has used puppet governments to overthrow many regions.

HORRIFIED by the actions the government of Tim-Opolis took in the region of Iran.

FURTHER HORRIFIED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis partook in the vandalizing of hundreds of regions and lead the vandalization of more than one hundred regions.

SHOCKED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis willingly participated in the removal of nations from the Region of reunited muslim states.

HEREBY AFFIRMING that these actions shocked the International Community with the brutality involved.

BELIEVING that the Greater Nationstates Community should not tolerate these types of outrageous actions from governments.

SURPRISED at the fact that the same government of Tim-Opolis later abandoned the organizations it did these prior actions with and joined an organization fighting against the very type of barbarity that the nation of Tim-Opolis committed.

UNDERSTANDING that the State of Tim-Opolis may have had a change of heart in these issues.

COUNTERING, with the fact that the Tim-Opolisian state still holds Sympathies to heinous actions that were committed by the same Tim-Opolisian state.

WORRYING that the Government of Tim-Opolis may very well return to these prior examples of nefariousness.

SHOCKED at the resources and information that the nation of Tim-Opolis has at its disposal and the ability to successfully employ them.

BELIEVING that the nationstates community should not forget these atrocities that have been committed.

CONDEMNING the nation of Tim-Opolis as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as a punishment for said despicable actions.

Condemn Tim-Opolis

NOTICING the nation of Tim-Opolis has used puppet governments to overthrow many regions.

HORRIFIED by the actions Tim-Opolis- using the puppet nation Weirdness of Doom- took in the region of Iran, such as the purging of up to thirty nations from the region, just because the United Defenders League would not respond to the invasion.

FURTHER HORRIFIED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis partook in the vandalizing of hundreds of regions and lead the vandalization of more than one hundred regions, also noting that these vandalizing operations served no purpose and was only perpetrated so that Tim-Opolis could try to achieve a record.

SHOCKED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis willingly participated in the removal of nations from the Region of Reunited Muslim where Tim-Opolis was responsible for the removal of up to forty percent of the total nations removed.

AFFIRMING that these actions should not and will not be tolerated by the NS Community and that this Condemnation should serve as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as punishment for said outrageous actions.

SURPRISED at the fact that Tim-Opolis later abandoned the organizations it did these prior actions with and joined an organization fighting against the very type of barbarity that the nation of Tim-Opolis committed.

UNDERSTANDING that Tim-Opolis may have had a change of heart in these issues.

COUNTERING, with the fact that Tim-Opolis still holds Sympathies to heinous actions that were committed by the same Tim-Opolisian state.

WORRYING that Tim-Opolis may very well return to these prior examples of nefariousness.

SHOCKED at the resources and information that the nation of Tim-Opolis has at its disposal and the ability to successfully employ them.

This Resolution Hereby Condemns Tim-Opolis

Well, the resolution is nowhere near perfect. If anyone knows anymore "atrocities" that the Nation of Tim participated in, feel free to mention them.

[Jamie Anumia]

Absolutely not. It's purely a badge of honour. There are also many nations that have done far more worse things. Opposed.
~ WA Representative - Treacle Smith ~

[Eist]

I have grave concerns that Tim-Opolis might explode with delight if he ever got a condemnation badge. Hence, I have to vote AGAINST this for the good of his own health. Incidentally, this is why I almost universally don't like condemnations.

[Thomas Insaniac]

I have grave concerns that Tim-Opolis might explode with delight if he ever got a condemnation badge. Hence, I have to vote AGAINST this for the good of his own health. Incidentally, this is why I almost universally don't like condemnations.

Hmm, well wouldn't that be on less person in the UDL and one less potential raider? If I was you, I would support.

[Tim-Opolis]

Aww, I'm touched

Absolutely not. It's purely a badge of honour. There are also many nations that have done far more worse things. Opposed.
~ WA Representative - Treacle Smith ~

Jamie, LIES! It is a badge of Punishment! Total Punishment!
Also, is that second part a challenge

I have grave concerns that Tim-Opolis might explode with delight if he ever got a condemnation badge. Hence, I have to vote AGAINST this for the good of his own health. Incidentally, this is why I almost universally don't like condemnations.

I think pretty much anyone in Gameplay would explode in delight if they got either Commend/Condemn Badge. The Commend/Condemn system is really one giant backpat.
do enjoy the witty comment though

So umm, I can't say I would dislike the badge. I think most Gameplayers that say that are lying to themselves.

Trying to stay as Objective as I can, I find that "The Government of Tim-Opolis" or "The State of Tim-Opolis" sounds better. Especially since in the 1-2 times when I've actually *gasp* Roleplayed.. I didn't use Tim-Opolisian. It sounds kinda lame.. Although, really, I don't think I'm a fan of the entire RP in this proposal. I'm a Gameplayer, not a Roleplayer. Perhaps lessen that a bit?
I would put edits myself, but I feel like that would be a tad unorthodox.

edit: As well as this. More specific details are needed. Ask around, and you should be able to get some sources. I'd prefer not to help out unless begged repeatedly and perhaps bribed with cookies.

[Thomas Insaniac]

Aww, I'm touched

Absolutely not. It's purely a badge of honour. There are also many nations that have done far more worse things. Opposed.
~ WA Representative - Treacle Smith ~

Jamie, LIES! It is a badge of Punishment! Total Punishment!
Also, is that second part a challenge

I have grave concerns that Tim-Opolis might explode with delight if he ever got a condemnation badge. Hence, I have to vote AGAINST this for the good of his own health. Incidentally, this is why I almost universally don't like condemnations.

I think pretty much anyone in Gameplay would explode in delight if they got either Commend/Condemn Badge. The Commend/Condemn system is really one giant backpat.
do enjoy the witty comment though

So umm, I can't say I would dislike the badge. I think most Gameplayers that say that are lying to themselves.

Trying to stay as Objective as I can, I find that "The Government of Tim-Opolis" or "The State of Tim-Opolis" sounds better. Especially since in the 1-2 times when I've actually *gasp* Roleplayed.. I didn't use Tim-Opolisian. It sounds kinda lame.. Although, really, I don't think I'm a fan of the entire RP in this proposal. I'm a Gameplayer, not a Roleplayer. Perhaps lessen that a bit?
I would put edits myself, but I feel like that would be a tad unorthodox.

edit: As well as this. More specific details are needed. Ask around, and you should be able to get some sources. I'd prefer not to help out unless begged repeatedly and perhaps bribed with cookies.

You're an ebil raider/defender hybrid, you don't get the choose the descriptors in the proposal. D:

[Mahaj]

Nah.

[Cinistra]

So, if Tim-Opolis doesn't get condemned for his actions, what then is the standard for earning one?

[Eist]

So, if Tim-Opolis doesn't get condemned for his actions, what then is the standard for earning one?

For one, I'm happy supporting condemnations for nations that have RPed well as an "evil" nation, such as Automagfreek.

If there was a raider nation or region that had really shown consistent excellence on the battlefield, then I would be more likely to support. Given the nature of raiding recently, I can't think of a single player of this contemporary era that is deserving. But the problem with this is that the condemnation is so ill-defined. Anyway, Tim-Opolis does not fit this bill because tagging "hundreds of regions" is not that impressive to me. It's little more than an annoyance, extremely ephemeral, and doesn't require much fore-thought or staying power.

His greatest achievement in my eyes is pulling the wool over UDL's eyes twice, but since Belshaft is allowed to raid and defend simultaneously being a member of UDL, it doesn't seem that even this is much of an achievement.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

We should commend Tim for his excellent service to the 3WB.

[Cinistra]

So, if Tim-Opolis doesn't get condemned for his actions, what then is the standard for earning one?

For one, I'm happy supporting condemnations for nations that have RPed well as an "evil" nation, such as Automagfreek.

If there was a raider nation or region that had really shown consistent excellence on the battlefield, then I would be more likely to support. Given the nature of raiding recently, I can't think of a single player of this contemporary era that is deserving. But the problem with this is that the condemnation is so ill-defined. Anyway, Tim-Opolis does not fit this bill because tagging "hundreds of regions" is not that impressive to me. It's little more than an annoyance, extremely ephemeral, and doesn't require much fore-thought or staying power.

His greatest achievement in my eyes is pulling the wool over UDL's eyes twice, but since Belshaft is allowed to raid and defend simultaneously being a member of UDL, it doesn't seem that even this is much of an achievement.

Maybe we're straying outside the actual topic in question, but can you please explain the first red highlight?
Also, I am puzzled by the fact that a nation does both raiding and defending. Is a raider really allowed to stay in UDL? I believed they were hard line fendas?

[Eist]

For one, I'm happy supporting condemnations for nations that have RPed well as an "evil" nation, such as Automagfreek.

If there was a raider nation or region that had really shown consistent excellence on the battlefield, then I would be more likely to support. Given the nature of raiding recently, I can't think of a single player of this contemporary era that is deserving. But the problem with this is that the condemnation is so ill-defined. Anyway, Tim-Opolis does not fit this bill because tagging "hundreds of regions" is not that impressive to me. It's little more than an annoyance, extremely ephemeral, and doesn't require much fore-thought or staying power.

His greatest achievement in my eyes is pulling the wool over UDL's eyes twice, but since Belshaft is allowed to raid and defend simultaneously being a member of UDL, it doesn't seem that even this is much of an achievement.

Maybe we're straying outside the actual topic in question, but can you please explain the first red highlight?
Also, I am puzzled by the fact that a nation does both raiding and defending. Is a raider really allowed to stay in UDL? I believed they were hard line fendas?

1) Contemporary, in that I have only been playing 2.5 years, and it's my understanding that some raiders of yesteryear were actually rather intelligent in their operations. Sadly, and for whatever reasons, we don't see much of this at all these days.

2) Looking at the signature under Belschaft's current last post should clear what I was saying. I don't suppose it will clear up the confusion (which I still have), though; you'd have to ask Belshaft or Unibot III that yourself.

[The Great Destruction]

Hmmmm.....I am inclined to vote ..... FOR

That bar tender always did look shifty to me.

Zhang, Dharma of the “Four Books”, Chancellor of Ming, Juzheng Master Statesman, Head of Foreign Affairs


OOC: It seems (if memory serves me correctly) that for many years Tim-opolis has produced many reasons for both a condemnation and a commendation but a commendable condemnation would be more fitting than a condemnable commendation.

[Thomas Insaniac]

Nah.

Thank you for that extremely insightful addition to the Topic.

We should commend Tim for his excellent service to the 3WB.

Commending Erbul Raiders? Preposterous!

Maybe we're straying outside the actual topic in question, but can you please explain the first red highlight?
Also, I am puzzled by the fact that a nation does both raiding and defending. Is a raider really allowed to stay in UDL? I believed they were hard line fendas?

1) Contemporary, in that I have only been playing 2.5 years, and it's my understanding that some raiders of yesteryear were actually rather intelligent in their operations. Sadly, and for whatever reasons, we don't see much of this at all these days.

2) Looking at the signature under Belschaft's current last post should clear what I was saying. I don't suppose it will clear up the confusion (which I still have), though; you'd have to ask Belshaft or Unibot III that yourself.

Can you please NOT make this another UDL is bad topic? Honestly, enough of those exist in Gameplay.

Hmmmm.....I am inclined to vote ..... FOR

That bar tender always did look shifty to me.

Zhang, Dharma of the “Four Books”, Chancellor of Ming, Juzheng Master Statesman, Head of Foreign Affairs


OOC: It seems (if memory serves me correctly) that for many years Tim-opolis has produced many reasons for both a condemnation and a commendation but a commendable condemnation would be more fitting than a condemnable commendation.

Tim has done a lot of things over the while, some may have been commendable, however I feel the outstanding and major ones he did were condemnable by MODERN NS Standards.

[Thomas Insaniac]

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Mahaj and Eist would never do anything on ideological grounds alone.

[Thomas Insaniac]

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Mahaj and Eist would never do anything on ideological grounds alone.

Haven't interacted with Eist, at all.

Also, I would think Mahaj would support this resolution because it "awards" a UDL'er.

[Luxembourg]

Against

[Eist]

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Both. As I have stated above, I don't think he should be condemned for his actions. I can't think of any raider that deserves this badge at this moment. And the content is not that well worded (which is often fine if I support it), but more importantly you have factual errors: for example, your defining paragraph starting "SHOCKED" has the name of the region invaded spelt incorrectly.

[Cromarty]

So, if Tim-Opolis doesn't get condemned for his actions, what then is the standard for earning one?

For one, I'm happy supporting condemnations for nations that have RPed well as an "evil" nation, such as Automagfreek.

I love you for this.

His greatest achievement in my eyes is pulling the wool over UDL's eyes twice, but since Belshaft is allowed to raid and defend simultaneously being a member of UDL, it doesn't seem that even this is much of an achievement.

I was doing this months before Bel ever did. Where's the focus on me?

[Jamie Anumia]

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Both. Plus I vote against 99% of proposals that come from the SC. Especially ones related to R/D.

[Drop Your Pants]

HORRIFIED by the actions Tim-Opolis- using the puppet nation Weirdness of Doom- took in the region of Iran, such as the purging of up to thirty nations from the region, just because the United Defenders League would not respond to the invasion.

That UDL stab won't get you many votes

FURTHER HORRIFIED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis partook in the vandalizing of hundreds of regions and lead the vandalization of more than one hundred regions, also noting that these vandalizing operations served no purpose and was only perpetrated so that Tim-Opolis could try to achieve a record.

You mean the tagging sprees? Not a huge horror.

HEREBY AFFIRMING that these actions shocked the International Community with the brutality involved.

BELIEVING that the Greater Nationstates Community should not tolerate these types of outrageous actions from governments.
....
BELIEVING that the Nationstates Community should not forget these atrocities that have been committed.

CONDEMNING the nation of Tim-Opolis as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as a punishment for said despicable actions.

You could make those 4 lines into one since (to me) they all say the same thing.

[Thomas Insaniac]

HORRIFIED by the actions Tim-Opolis- using the puppet nation Weirdness of Doom- took in the region of Iran, such as the purging of up to thirty nations from the region, just because the United Defenders League would not respond to the invasion.

That UDL stab won't get you many votes

According to Tim himself, that was a reason for the ejections.

FURTHER HORRIFIED at how the nation of Tim-Opolis partook in the vandalizing of hundreds of regions and lead the vandalization of more than one hundred regions, also noting that these vandalizing operations served no purpose and was only perpetrated so that Tim-Opolis could try to achieve a record.

You mean the tagging sprees? Not a huge horror.

I'm going to go on a limb and assume that you weren't part of the group that had to clean them up?

HEREBY AFFIRMING that these actions shocked the International Community with the brutality involved.

BELIEVING that the Greater Nationstates Community should not tolerate these types of outrageous actions from governments.
....
BELIEVING that the Nationstates Community should not forget these atrocities that have been committed.

CONDEMNING the nation of Tim-Opolis as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as a punishment for said despicable actions.

You could make those 4 lines into one since (to me) they all say the same thing.

Constructive Criticism, yay

AFFIRMING that these actions should not and will not be tolerated by the NS Community and that this Condemnation should serve as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as punishment for said outrageous actions.

Would that be a good fix for my overstatement?

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Both. As I have stated above, I don't think he should be condemned for his actions. I can't think of any raider that deserves this badge at this moment.

I don't think either of us are changing our minds on that subject, guess we can just agree to disagree?

And the content is not that well worded (which is often fine if I support it), but more importantly you have factual errors: for example, your defining paragraph starting "SHOCKED" has the name of the region invaded spelt incorrectly.

Hmm, Well that's a stupid mistake on my part. :/, any more that catches your eye?

A quick question for Eist, Mahaj and Jamie, are you guys against the premise of the proposal or against the content of the proposal?

Both. Plus I vote against 99% of proposals that come from the SC. Especially ones related to R/D.

Okay, Tim doesn't deserve a condemnation and you don't like the SC, got it.

[Drop Your Pants]

According to Tim himself, that was a reason for the ejections.

Still won't get you any support.

I'm going to go on a limb and assume that you weren't part of the group that had to clean them up?

Sorry to snap your limb then

AFFIRMING that these actions should not and will not be tolerated by the NS Community and that this Condemnation should serve as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as punishment for said outrageous actions.

Looks better.

[Thomas Insaniac]

According to Tim himself, that was a reason for the ejections.

Still won't get you any support.

Hmm....

I'm going to go on a limb and assume that you weren't part of the group that had to clean them up?

Sorry to snap your limb then

Cleaning the tag's up are horrifying actions, how could you say that they aren't!

AFFIRMING that these actions should not and will not be tolerated by the NS Community and that this Condemnation should serve as a memorial to the horrible actions committed and as punishment for said outrageous actions.

Looks better.

OP edited.