[ON HOLD] Commend Vippertooth33

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I've asked Proletaurus for the list, it's about 70 regions in all.

How in any way is taking regions "stopping the spread of hatred in the world"?

Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

How in any way is taking regions "stopping the spread of hatred in the world"?

Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.

That's not stopping the flow for two main reasons...

1. By destroying those regions, you're merely forcing them to either
a) move into new regions and form a new active community
Or b)Move into larger regions like the GGR in which they're not going to be censored, rather continue to "spread their views". (I'll explain why I've put that in inverted commas later).
2. The majority of these 'Fascists' aren't genuinely fascist... Most of them are either A) Roleplayers or B) Kids who don't know what fascism is.
Just look at every "fascist" region out there: do you actually see them engaged in a deep debate about fascism or do they talk about normal things or post things that are simply roleplaying? And don't use the GGR to counter this, because how many of them do you see in there that are genuinely fascists? Five at best, and I know one of them is simply a misguided child. The rest of their population are simply Roleplayers or people who are misinformed about the Nazis because they've never encountered them at school, or are merely inactive puppet nations.

So, in summary, you're not stopping them, you're merely smoking them out in order for them to discover new hiding spots, and by 'them' I mean the community of roleplayers that you're censoring for just trying to have some fun on an online game.

So unless you can provide substantial evidence on the contrary to what I've just proposed, I am firmly AGAINST.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.

That's not stopping the flow for two main reasons...

1. By destroying those regions, you're merely forcing them to either
a) move into new regions and form a new active community

Most of them just skulk in TRR and die off eventually.

Or b)Move into larger regions like the GGR in which they're not going to be censored, rather continue to "spread their views". (I'll explain why I've put that in inverted commas later).

Not many, most die off.

2. The majority of these 'Fascists' aren't genuinely fascist... Most of them are either A) Roleplayers or B) Kids who don't know what fascism is.

What proof do you have? At least some of them are, and that's some too many.

Just look at every "fascist" region out there: do you actually see them engaged in a deep debate about fascism

Some, yes.

or do they talk about normal things or post things that are simply roleplaying?

Some, yes.

And don't use the GGR to counter this, because how many of them do you see in there that are genuinely fascists? Five at best, and I know one of them is simply a misguided child.

5 too many.

The rest of their population are simply Roleplayers or people who are misinformed about the Nazis because they've never encountered them at school, or are merely inactive puppet nations.

I'm pretty certain there's more than 5 Nazis in the GGR, and NAZI EUROPE has several very active Nazis, and you're forgetting Felix.

So, in summary, you're not stopping them, you're merely smoking them out in order for them to discover new hiding spots, and by 'them' I mean the community of roleplayers that you're censoring for just trying to have some fun on an online game.

As I've said, most die off. And people should try 'having fun' in a way that doesn't involve associating themselves with an ideology that glorifies and/or denies the Holocaust and promotes white supremacism. Let's leave the RL politics there, it's frowned on here.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Most of them just skulk in TRR and die off eventually.

Not many, most die off

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May I draw your attention to The Dictatorship Government Alliance, in which the natives formed a new region after you raided it?

What proof do you have? At least some of them are, and that's some too many.

Proof? Take a look at all of the RMBs of the regions you've raided.

Some, yes.

Name three.

5 too many

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In comparison to the rest of the population, they are quite insignificant. Hell, I don't even know if LCG is roleplaying or not.

I'm pretty certain there's more than 5 Nazis in the GGR, and NAZI EUROPE has several very active Nazis, and you're forgetting Felix

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Name six active Nazis in the GGR then, name the several active Nazis in Nazi Europe, and Felix is one person.

As I've said, most die off. And people should try 'having fun' in a way that doesn't involve associating themselves with an ideology that glorifies and/or denies the Holocaust and promotes white supremacism. Let's leave the RL politics there, it's frowned on here.

As I've said, look at the Dictatorship Government Alliance, and in Corporate Fascism, many natives simply went off to Consumerist Paradise and didn't "die out". Actually, name five out of all the regions you've raided that have actually died out. And they have to be genuine natives, not puppets or ambassadors. And as I've said, many people don't know about Nazism, so you'd have more of an effect warning people about it than performing a completely useless task that's likely to make them dislike you even more.

[Drop Your Pants]

In the regions you mentioned, did he kick all the natives out?

[Dagguerro]

Against. In all I have seen of Antifa in the World Assembly they've come across as arrogant, authoritarian bullies violently enforcing their will on anyone they deem "Nazis". According to Antifa this includes groups who are most definitely not Nazis such as fascist nations (note that fascism =/= Nazism) and people who merely defend the right to free speech (because they're condemned as "Nazi-sympathisers" for opposing Antifa).

In short, they act far, far worse than the people they are fighting. And are offensive to boot. At least the fascists are polite.

We have absolutely no intention of supporting a proposal authored by these vile, self-righteous people. Nor to support a commendation of one of their number for brutally assaulting fascist but non-Nazi regions. We do not agree with fascism, but we support their rights to free speech and to their regions. Antifa attempts to censor and exterminate them, as well as slandering them by calling them Nazis, are thoroughly contemptible.

- Lord Swift

[Keronika]

Against! Antifa is just as bad or maybe worse than the Nazi regions!

[Blood Tithe]

I take it you haven't read NAZI EUROPE's RMB.

I take it you're selectively reading Nazi Europe's RMB, and are context-clueless about what you are reading.

Nazi Europe isn't on trial here, but for the record, The Head of Government is a self-proclaimed Constitutional Monarchist. Where the hell have you been? One of the more popular rumors currently circulating, is that NE is a 'safe haven for Zionists'.

NE has taken a lot of internal and external heat for being anything but a National Socialist region, as this post illustrates: http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=1646622

Regarding your commendation proposal: I'm unfamiliar with Vippertooth's glory days and have no background info on all the alleged fascist regions 'captured' by The MT Army, but The MT Army supported the Hitler Youth operation and that conquest appears 100% bogus. I exposed some of the original plan on The Hitler Youth RMB. I believe the intent was to claim an even greater victory by pretending there was an actual native population (including the WAD), when in fact, Antifa faked one.

I can only assume Vippertooth supports such monkeyshines and have to wonder how many of his raids are staged.

Good luck with your commendation proposal. In my opinion, it belongs in the joke proposal thread.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Against. In all I have seen of Antifa in the World Assembly they've come across as arrogant, authoritarian bullies violently enforcing their will on anyone they deem "Nazis". According to Antifa this includes groups who are most definitely not Nazis such as fascist nations (note that fascism =/= Nazism) and people who merely defend the right to free speech (because they're condemned as "Nazi-sympathisers" for opposing Antifa).

In short, they act far, far worse than the people they are fighting. And are offensive to boot. At least the fascists are polite.

We have absolutely no intention of supporting a proposal authored by these vile, self-righteous people. Nor to support a commendation of one of their number for brutally assaulting fascist but non-Nazi regions. We do not agree with fascism, but we support their rights to free speech and to their regions. Antifa attempts to censor and exterminate them, as well as slandering them by calling them Nazis, are thoroughly contemptible.

- Lord Swift

Indeed, most Antifa people I've spoken to have been incredibly arrogant and cynical, even to a non-fascist like myself.

And I also disapprove of censorship in any form, all of the regions you taken have not actively fought out against Antifa's precious 'cause', yet you seek to molest them anyway.

[Cromarty]

How in any way is taking regions "stopping the spread of hatred in the world"?

Look at the list, which is in my previous post, and then tell me that most of those regions were created to do anything except promote racism, fascism and Nazism.

I'd wager a large number of them were created for RPing.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Regarding your commendation proposal: I'm unfamiliar with Vippertooth's glory days and have no background info on all the alleged fascist regions 'captured' by The MT Army, but The MT Army supported the Hitler Youth operation and that conquest appears 100% bogus. I exposed some of the original plan on The Hitler Youth RMB. I believe the intent was to claim an even greater victory by pretending there was an actual native population (including the WAD), when in fact, Antifa faked one.

I can only assume Vippertooth supports such monkeyshines and have to wonder how many of his raids are staged.

Good luck with your commendation proposal. In my opinion, it belongs in the joke proposal thread.

It's no secret that the WAD always has been an RDC member. With regards to your claim about 'faking' a native population, may I suggest that you take a look through the banlist of Hitler Youth? I found at least 5 credible natives and a few members of the GGR who either turned up just before the raid or were natives.

Against! Antifa is just as bad or maybe worse than the Nazi regions!

Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?

Most of them just skulk in TRR and die off eventually.

Not many, most die off

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May I draw your attention to The Dictatorship Government Alliance, in which the natives formed a new region after you raided it?

May I draw your attention to my use of the word 'most'?

What proof do you have? At least some of them are, and that's some too many.

Proof? Take a look at all of the RMBs of the regions you've raided.

No record exists of them, I have no interest in preserving what the region used to be like.

Some, yes.

Name three.

Die Wacht am Rhein, Fascist Empire and the United Kingdom of Breutchesland.

5 too many

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In comparison to the rest of the population, they are quite insignificant. Hell, I don't even know if LCG is roleplaying or not.

It doesn't matter whether they're insignificant or not, the point is they exist.

I'm pretty certain there's more than 5 Nazis in the GGR, and NAZI EUROPE has several very active Nazis, and you're forgetting Felix

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Name six active Nazis in the GGR then, name the several active Nazis in Nazi Europe, and Felix is one person.

I'm assuming LCG is, what with all the dressing-up as a Nazi and running a region in which Nazis were and are present, and then you have German, Engelabad, National Sozialistisches, Celt Hibernia, Tadmirtolia and Untersagersdorf, to name a few. In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.

As I've said, most die off. And people should try 'having fun' in a way that doesn't involve associating themselves with an ideology that glorifies and/or denies the Holocaust and promotes white supremacism. Let's leave the RL politics there, it's frowned on here.

As I've said, look at the Dictatorship Government Alliance, and in Corporate Fascism, many natives simply went off to Consumerist Paradise and didn't "die out". Actually, name five out of all the regions you've raided that have actually died out.

1 or 2 natives of Die Wacht am Rhein, the founder of Sacra Arcana, the founder of League of Fascist States, the founder of New Fascist Union of Nations, and the native-other-than-the-founder-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Fascist Empire. Easy.

And they have to be genuine natives, not puppets or ambassadors. And as I've said, many people don't know about Nazism, so you'd have more of an effect warning people about it than performing a completely useless task that's likely to make them dislike you even more.

Well some of the natives of CF evidently believed in fascism, what with the Mussolini quote that used to occupy their RMB. Perhaps being driven out of 'their' region will shock them out of their fascism. I don't know, I'm no psychologist.

[Cromarty]

Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?

Because a great many of you aren't 'left-libertarian's but are more to the extreme left, a position responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?

Because a great many of you aren't 'left-libertarian's but are more to the extreme left, a position responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.

It's possible to be extreme-left and libertarian, given that leftism is an economic scale and libertarianism is a social scale.

I can feel Sedge glaring at us, let's leave the RL politics before hideous punishments are inflicted on us.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Die Wacht am Rhein, Fascist Empire and the United Kingdom of Breutchesland.

Evidence please.

It doesn't matter whether they're insignificant or not, the point is they exist.

Nazis exist in real life, maybe you should hunt them down as well be because "they exist".

I'm assuming LCG is, what with all the dressing-up as a Nazi and running a region in which Nazis were and are present, and then you have German, Engelabad, National Sozialistisches, Celt Hibernia, Tadmirtolia and Untersagersdorf, to name a few. In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.

Just because the latter 3 may be active in the region, doesn't mean they're Nazis. And German is a complete imbecile who believes that Ares, the Greek God of War, was spared by Jesus because Jesus believes that there cannot be happiness without war. And as for LCG, her constant Gerlish and unchanging leather theme suggests that she's just roleplaying/cosplaying and/or a parody.

1 or 2 natives of Die Wacht am Rhein, the founder of Sacra Arcana, the founder of League of Fascist States, the founder of New Fascist Union of Nations, and the native-other-than-the-founder-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Fascist Empire. Easy.

Of course the founders died out, their entire purpose was to control the region. You'll find that most of the actual natives who were there of their own free will moved on to different regions.

Well some of the natives of CF evidently believed in fascism, what with the Mussolini quote that used to occupy their RMB WFE.

The quote was on the WFE, not the RMB, and that was put there by the founder (who died off before the "raid") and not the natives.

Perhaps being driven out of 'their' region will shock them out of their fascism. I don't know, I'm no psychologist.

Evidently not . I honestly hope you don't believe this.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Die Wacht am Rhein, Fascist Empire and the United Kingdom of Breutchesland.

Evidence please.

It doesn't matter whether they're insignificant or not, the point is they exist.

Nazis exist in real life, maybe you should hunt them down as well be because "they exist".

I'm assuming LCG is, what with all the dressing-up as a Nazi and running a region in which Nazis were and are present, and then you have German, Engelabad, National Sozialistisches, Celt Hibernia, Tadmirtolia and Untersagersdorf, to name a few. In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.

Just because the latter 3 may be active in the region, doesn't mean they're Nazis. And German is a complete imbecile who believes that Ares, the Greek God of War, was spared by Jesus because Jesus believes that there cannot be happiness without war. And as for LCG, her constant Gerlish and unchanging leather theme suggests that she's just roleplaying/cosplaying and/or a parody.

1 or 2 natives of Die Wacht am Rhein, the founder of Sacra Arcana, the founder of League of Fascist States, the founder of New Fascist Union of Nations, and the native-other-than-the-founder-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Fascist Empire. Easy.

Of course the founders died out, their entire purpose was to control the region. You'll find that most of the actual natives who were there of their own free will moved on to different regions.

Well some of the natives of CF evidently believed in fascism, what with the Mussolini quote that used to occupy their RMB WFE.

The quote was on the WFE, not the RMB, and that was put there by the founder (who died off before the "raid") and not the natives.

Perhaps being driven out of 'their' region will shock them out of their fascism. I don't know, I'm no psychologist.

Evidently not . I honestly hope you don't believe this.

I fail to see how any of this, given that it appears to be about me and UNAF, is relevant to a commendation about Vippertooth33.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Evidence please.



Nazis exist in real life, maybe you should hunt them down as well be because "they exist".



Just because the latter 3 may be active in the region, doesn't mean they're Nazis. And German is a complete imbecile who believes that Ares, the Greek God of War, was spared by Jesus because Jesus believes that there cannot be happiness without war. And as for LCG, her constant Gerlish and unchanging leather theme suggests that she's just roleplaying/cosplaying and/or a parody.



Of course the founders died out, their entire purpose was to control the region. You'll find that most of the actual natives who were there of their own free will moved on to different regions.



The quote was on the WFE, not the RMB, and that was put there by the founder (who died off before the "raid") and not the natives.



Evidently not . I honestly hope you don't believe this.

I fail to see how any of this, given that it appears to be about me and UNAF, is relevant to a commendation about Vippertooth33.

It's about proving how useless the Antifa cause is, and thus why Vippertooth33 shouldn't receive a commendation.

Now stop avoiding the argument and answer my post.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I fail to see how any of this, given that it appears to be about me and UNAF, is relevant to a commendation about Vippertooth33.

It's about proving how useless the Antifa cause is, and thus why Vippertooth33 shouldn't receive a commendation.

Now stop avoiding the argument and answer my post.

No, because all the questions you've asked concern UNAF, UNAF-centric operations, the end product of UNAF operations and occupants of Nazi regions. As such, they're not relevant and I refuse to answer them. Bring me questions relevant to the Commendation and I will.

[Drop Your Pants]

I'll ask again but not the nice way, has he griefed regions i.e. kicked natives out and/or refounded or been part of the effort to do so.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I'll ask again but not the nice way, has he griefed regions i.e. kicked natives out and/or refounded or been part of the effort to do so.

Of course he has, his activities predate ANTIFA and he's now heavily involved in ANTIFA - he was in CF and now he's in GOLDEN NAZI REICH.

[Drop Your Pants]

Thats ok then, was just wondering. I don't believe griefers should receive an award for community destruction so i'll be asking (i say ask but really i'm telling) Griffin not to approve this proposal.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Thats ok then, was just wondering. I don't believe griefers should receive an award for community destruction so i'll be asking (i say ask but really i'm telling) Griffin not to approve this proposal.

Fair enough, thank you for asking a relevant question so politely.

[Jamie Anumia]

Opposed. While I despise fascism and/or nazism. I don't believe commending region destruction (even if in my opinion, the destruction is justified) is the correct thing to do, that's not to say I'm fully opposed to commending raiding itself though.
- WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith -

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's about proving how useless the Antifa cause is, and thus why Vippertooth33 shouldn't receive a commendation.

Now stop avoiding the argument and answer my post.

No, because all the questions you've asked concern UNAF, UNAF-centric operations, the end product of UNAF operations and occupants of Nazi regions. As such, they're not relevant and I refuse to answer them. Bring me questions relevant to the Commendation and I will.

Typical Antifa, finding excuses to avoid answering perfectly reasonable statements.

You'll find the only operation I mention in that post is the one in Corporate Fascism, in which nearly every Antifascist region took part in (including the MT Army), thus it is entirely relevant.

[Bears Armed]

Care to tell us why a bunch of left-libertarian anti-Nazi anti-fascists are worse than a group of oppressive authoritarian racists?

Because a great many of you aren't 'left-libertarian's but are more to the extreme left, a position responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

Antifa, the Internationale and the Red Fleet are encased in the largest glass house in existence, and they're not throwing stones, they're firing boulders from catapults.

Lovely summary of their position!

[Blood Tithe]

In Nazi Europe you have Rupture Farms Co., The Gregorach, Captain Woodhouse and Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich, among others.

You're dead wrong, pal. Woodhouse is my puppet. Find a single post I've made that suggests I'm a Nazi. I'll wait.

I can RP a Nazi, but I ain't even been doing that with a whole lotta gusto.

As I've already stated, Rupture Farms is a Constitutional Monarchist. So is Gregorach, although he's expressed some fascist leanings. Grossdeutsches Drittes Reich could possibly be a National Socialist, but I've really no idea who he is. I do know he's been MIA ever since I asked him to disclose his main region.

It's no secret that the WAD always has been an RDC member.

Once she was cornered and had no option but to expose herself as Marxists-Feminists, sure. Prior to that, no way. Should you care to discuss it further, make a gameplay thread.

With regards to your claim about 'faking' a native population, may I suggest that you take a look through the banlist of Hitler Youth? I found at least 5 credible natives and a few members of the GGR who either turned up just before the raid or were natives.

You've mistakenly identified National Socialists in Nazi Europe. You'll pardon me if I question your ability to identify a credible native in a fascist parody region.