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Outer Sparta
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:18 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1629226505

War On The United Kingdom
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: Of the mitochondria

War with the United Kingdom is the only way to convince the British “people” of their wrongdoings

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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:00 pm

Security Council Proposal
ID: jutsa_1629772257

Declaration Against Fascism

A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration
Type: Declare
Proposed by: Jutsa
The Security Council hereby declares fascism is bad.

Approvals: 2 (North-West Commland, Tinhampton)

Fully duplicates SC #358 which has not yet been repealed.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:49 pm

We haven't yet worked out how Duplication applies to Declarations. But that one is a Rule 1b violation anyway - lack of relevant argument.

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:17 pm

Sedgistan wrote:We haven't yet worked out how Duplication applies to Declarations. But that one is a Rule 1b violation anyway - lack of relevant argument.

Do declarations require arguments? I thought they were merely a statement on behalf of the World Assembly, akin to a memo.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:39 am

Roughly speaking, they need to express an opinion (declare something) - which is their operative clause, and they need some reasoning for doing that (relevant argument).

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Postby Mancheseva City » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:43 am

Security Council Resolution #366 “Liberate New Western Atlantic” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

This is disgusting I do not agree with fascism and anti semitism I say this country shall be destroyed for peace and harmony.


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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:17 am

Mancheseva City wrote:
Security Council Resolution #366 “Liberate New Western Atlantic” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

This is disgusting I do not agree with fascism and anti semitism I say this country shall be destroyed for peace and harmony.


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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:35 pm

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I believe that there should be a boost in spending for firearms and other weapons to help Law and Regular People to protect themselves.

Reason 1: Fighting fire with Fire is a good idea. If you want to protect yourself, you cant just sit there and do nothing, you will die, boosting firearms production will help common folk and law to defend themselves from criminals and murderers.

Reason 2: It will boost the economy. Manufacturing weapons will help businesses grow, which will put more money into the economy, which will be great for all nations.

Final Reason: It will make people happy. Making people happy can help all types of nations, for example, dictatorships, if you do this, then maybe other nations will trade more. For nations that are free and fair, this will make allies willing to help you more and give foreign aid. Even Anarchy's will be happy, because they have even more freedoms.

Thank you for your time, I hope you take this with consideration.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:24 pm

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Repeal: “Condemn The Black Hawks”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#52

Proposed by: Lardonie

Security Council Resolution #52 “Condemn The Black Hawks” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

These people only wish to keep peace and order in their nations so I wish for these people to gain there dignity back.

Not written from SC perspective once again, I'm also not sure if the no operative clause rule if broken, but there's definitely one rule broken.
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Postby Sincluda » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:47 pm

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Condemn TheCardCollector
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: TheCardCollector

Proposed by: Onionist Randosia

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NOTING that the nation TheCardCollector is the source of at least 150 spamming alts, several of which have been deleted by game moderators, and has, along with alts, regularly posted offensive (to members) comments on The Union of Great Onionist Nations RMB, as well as some other regions,

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Thus, the Security Council, most august body for the upholding of world peace, condemns TheCardCollector.

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 pm

Sincluda wrote:Metagaming

General Assembly rule, not a Security Council rule.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:47 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Sincluda wrote:Metagaming

General Assembly rule, not a Security Council rule.

Couldn't it be 3b, which deals with rules violations and moderation?
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:24 am

Yes - it got marked illegal for 2a and 3b.

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Postby Tsaivao » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:50 am

Commend Europeia
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Europeia

Proposed by: Jaydenism

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Postby Emodea » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:18 am

Those are GA rules, me thinks. Doesn't apply to the SC. Except branding, that falls under 4(b).

It also violates 1(a), 1(b), 1(d), 2(a) and 2(b), from what I can see.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:04 pm

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Commend The Pacific

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation
Nominee: the Pacific
Proposed by: Greataz
The Security Council,

Satisfied that The Pacific over the few years has changed their ways of managing a region, and establishing relations with many important regions again

Excited that The Pacific has been attracting many nations, and most in the region had applied for citizenship on their forums

For the reasons stated above, the Security Council herby commands The Pacific

2(a) and apparently Herby is at it again….
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:52 pm

Which part is the 2a violation?

Herby is fine, but "commands" rather than "commends" changes the meaning of the operative clause, making it a 1d violation.

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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:37 am

Sedgistan wrote:Which part is the 2a violation?

Herby is fine, but "commands" rather than "commends" changes the meaning of the operative clause, making it a 1d violation.

Are forums allowed to be mentioned now?
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:54 am

Forums have been okay since the Ardchoille days - "forums of power" was the example she gave of why it would be okay to refer to nations meeting on forums.

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Postby Morover » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:12 am

Security Council Proposal
ID: maxian_free_republic_1632240325

Commend Maxian Free Republic
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Maxian Free Republic

Proposed by: Maxian Free Republic

IM DA BOMB IM TNT IM DYNAMITE AND IM GONNA EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!11

Approvals: 0

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 54 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 11 hours

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Postby The North Polish Union » Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:39 am

Security Council Proposal
ID: new_ikesandria_1632485314

Repeal: “Declaration On Hippopotamuses”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#361

Proposed by: New Ikesandria

Security Council Resolution #361 “Declaration on Hippopotamuses” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Aware that the targeted legislature has no real security value

Interested in raising the number of unsuccessful hippopotamus legislature attempts to 3

Also Aware that hippos and related animals are large, and do benefit ecology.

This Repeal Hereby,

1. Raises the number of unsuccessful hippo legislature attempts to 3.
2. Establishes that Hippopotamuses can by pygmy, and still be members of the hippopotamus family
3. Hippos can be aggressive toward people and other animals, and does not seek to change that
4. Does nothing to change the fact that hippos are VERY REALLY LARGE
5. Repeals this legislature for no reason other than that it has no real security value, and that it can be repealed for no reason other than that it can be done.
Hereby Repeals SC-361

Approvals: 1 (SainoHind)

Status: LEGAL
Status: Lacking Support (requires 53 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

Seems weird to even have the possibility of legislating within a repeal in the SC, much less see it, but I guess the game has changed over the past decade.
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Postby Emodea » Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:48 am

The North Polish Union wrote:-snip-

That's a pretty blatant 1(e) violation, at the very least.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:10 pm

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Condemn Sierra Lyricalia
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Sierra Lyricalia

Proposed by: Asturgien

Understanding the high role of Sierra Lyricalia,

Judging the morality of Sierra Lyricalia based on the behavior shown at general assembly’s proposals,

Knowing that Sierra Lyricalia held illegal the proposals called Health Versus Pornography and Death Penalty Repeal,

Considering the condemnation of the two proposals to be purely occurred for personal preferences,

Wanting to prevent injustices,

Strengthening impartiality and neutrality,

Therefore the Security Council condemns Sierra Lyricalia

Post scriptum: if this proposal does not get illegal, I would simply be amazed of myself.

3a (clearly condemning the target for their GA secretariat duties) and 1a. So no, Asturgien, this and your post scriptum are still, in fact, illegal.
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SC Proposal "To Have Kids In The Army"

Postby Dungtoper » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:58 pm

To Have Kids In The Army
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: United states of Fyn

we declare that kids need to be in the army kids that 7-15 should join the army we need kids to join the army

Ok, this isn't illegal yet, but this should never be legal, I mean, just looking at it makes me cringe.
He only says that we need kids in the army.
He does not explain why kids need to be in the army and it has no reason to be there including many things that would make it illegal.

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Postby Comfed » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:55 pm

Dungtoper wrote:To Have Kids In The Army
A resolution to express a position on international affairs and obligations.

Category: Declaration

Type: Declare

Proposed by: United states of Fyn

we declare that kids need to be in the army kids that 7-15 should join the army we need kids to join the army

Ok, this isn't illegal yet, but this should never be legal, I mean, just looking at it makes me cringe.
He only says that we need kids in the army.
He does not explain why kids need to be in the army and it has no reason to be there including many things that would make it illegal.

It is illegal - not written from an SC perspective, probably among other things.
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