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Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:45 am

I don’t see an R4(d) there. R3 certainly.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1539721249
Commend Democratic Central Region of Waterfowl

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Democratic Central Region of Waterfowl

Proposed by: Pafrusal

Acknowledging that DCROW has held off the Black Hawks, somehow
Acknowledging that DCROW has helped defend multiple regions
Acknowledging that DCROW has been attacked multiple times
Acknowledging that DCROW has been active in roleplay
Acknowledging that DCROW has a rich culture
Acknowledging that DCROW is a very unbiased region
Acknowledging that DCROW defends waterfowl and birds of all types
Acknowledging that DCROW is a very eco-friendly region
Acknowledging that all people in DCROW are not corrupt in any way

R3, R4c
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Postby Kuriko » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:23 am

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1540385075

Condemn StarClan Warriors
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: StarClan Warriors

Proposed by: Jakesadia

The World Assembly,

Acknowledging that nations have a right to their own political and religious views and privacy within a region

Noting that StarClan Warriors is a wolf in sheeps' clothing by having rules like "get along" and "have fun"

Disgusted that their idea of "fun" is harassing other nations and regions about their political and religious views

Shocked that they create satellite states and fake accounts to join regions, gather information, and leave to join StarClan Warriors to harass them

Confused on why they join other regions' private social activities uninvited

Horrified that they relentlessly harass other nations until they join their region, and verbally and cybernetically abuse them for having their own freedoms and opinions

Hereby condemns StarClan Warriors

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:46 pm

Condemn NeverMore

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: NeverMore

Proposed by: Jakesadia

The World Assembly,

Acknowledging that nations have a right to their own political and religious views and privacy within a region

Noting that NeverMore is a wolf in sheeps' clothing by having rules like "get along" and "have fun"

Disgusted that their idea of "fun" is harassing other nations and regions about their political and religious views

Abhorred that they would leave StarClan Warriors to a different region when put in question for comdemnation

Horrified that they relentlessly harass other nations until they join their region, and verbally and cybernetically abuse them for having their own freedoms and opinions

Hereby condemns NeverMore

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Redraft#2

The bolded to me reads as a 2(c) violation
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:46 am

I had seriously considered 2(c) but I decided to let it go. Not that it matters much, the founder cleared the region, which no longer exists.

What I find hilarious is "cybernetically". It makes it sound like they sent a bunch of Terminators to annoy them.

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:24 am

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Condemn Nazi Europe
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Nazi Europe

Proposed by: Aremania

RECOGNIZING the Nazi Ideology as one of hate,

ASSERTING that any region condoning and encouraging such beliefs is a danger to a large range of minorities and cultures,

FURTHER ASSERTING that it is our responsibility to discourage this kind of intolerance,

HOPING that an official condemnation from the World Assembly will discourage people from listening to or believing any messages of hate or intolerance from this region,

the World Assembly hereby condemns the region of NAZI EUROPE

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Postby Wrapper » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:49 am

Yipe. Thanks for that.

EDIT: Proposal discarded, nation ejected from WA.
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Postby Kuriko » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:22 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1544997888

Repeal: “Commend Imperium Anglorum”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#223

Proposed by: Jocospor

Security Council Resolution #223 “Commend Imperium Anglorum” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Acknowledging that Imperium Anglorum’s (herein “I.A.”) contributions to the world as outlined by SCR#223 are considerable in number, specifically the authorship of (now) twenty-six General Assembly resolutions, though some of which have since been struck out;

Warning this Security Council not to mistake quantity for quality and, equally, reminding this World Assembly that many General Assembly and/or Security Council authors are never commended for their efforts;

Alarmed that SCR#223 would falsely present the import of legislation that I.A. repealed to mislead this World Assembly:

GAR#329 did not “[permit] national sub-groups to disregard and neglect nationwide laws.”

GAR#350 did not “[stop] the World Assembly from passing any laws.”

GAR#396 did not “[slow] down the Internet.”

Calling into question, in fact, the very sincerity of I.A.’s World Assembly operations which, though lauded by SCR#223, have of late caused mass controversy and disharmony among this World Assembly, particularly GAR#433 “Preventing the Execution of Innocents”;

Contesting that I.A.’s “helpful and constructive feedback” as suggested by SCR#223 is reserved for a select few; namely, those who serve a political interest;

Reminding this Security Council that the lauded Communiqué detailed in SCR#223 is fundamentally of a misleading nature, that being that telegram recipients’ identities are hidden from one another, and has been used by I.A. maliciously;

Believing that maintaining an index such as ‘Passed General Assembly Resolutions’ is unremarkable; affirmed in this belief by this very Security Council, which has not previously commended nations maintaining similar indexes, such as The Dourian Embassy or Tim-Opolis;

Disgusted that SCR#223 would consider the acts outlined in its sixth clause as worthy of commendation, for such acts are only the duties of any invested World Assembly Delegate;

Unamused further by SCR#223’s belief that a region’s primary government official penning and enacting the region’s laws is worthy of commendation, along with SCR#223’s choice of the phrase “has extensively wrote […] other policies for Europe”;

In the case of Europe’s Government Act 2017 (then appropriately addressed as The Basic Law by SCR#223), noting that such deceptively cements I.A.’s hold over Europe, contrary to the region’s democratic values;

Surprised that SCR#223 makes reference to the growth of Europe during I.A.’s World Assembly delegacy on the grounds that regional growth is hardly commendable, as this objective Security Council has ruled in the past;

Insulted that SC#233 would commend I.A. for “their hard work and commitment” when many hardworking and committed nations will forever go unnoticed by this World Assembly;

Exposing the author of SCR#223 to be, during their time and at the time of this resolution's writing, a crony of I.A., with the latter assisting very much in the running of the author’s region, the now-terminated The Honorary Allied Nation States;

Urges this Security Council to see through the poorly-written and inaccurate resolution that is SCR#223, so as to afford a level of integrity to this World Assembly, and restore the import of the honour Commendation;

Furthermore, urges this World Assembly not to be deterred in its objective judgement come what may opposing this repeal;

Hereby repeals SCR#223 “Commend Imperium Anglorum.”


Not sure, but the 4th clause from the bottom still lists SC#233 instead of SC#223. Is that an illegality?
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:29 pm

No. The only clause that made the previous version illegal was the operative clause, which stated that the wrong resolution was being repealed. That violated Rule 3 ("proposal must contain an operative clause stating what the proposal actually does"; i.e., repeal SC#223, not SC#233).

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Postby Kuriko » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:11 pm

Wrapper wrote:No. The only clause that made the previous version illegal was the operative clause, which stated that the wrong resolution was being repealed. That violated Rule 3 ("proposal must contain an operative clause stating what the proposal actually does"; i.e., repeal SC#223, not SC#233).

Thanks Wrapper, wasn't quite sure. Hopefully if it reaches queue everyone will notice the typo and vote against.
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Commend Ponderosa

Postby Jocospor » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:46 am

The World Assembly,

Cognizant that Ponderosa has been actively engaging in world affairs for more than six years and has during that time displayed a high standard of professionalism, tact, and positivity;

Recognizing Ponderosa's authorship and publication of an accessible and incredibly beneficial guide on how to present national information in a standardized and aesthetically-pleasing 'wiki' style factbook format;

Understanding that this guide alone has been viewed almost one hundred thousand times and has very likely been utilized by thousands of nations in the past five and a half years;

Praising the dedication and selflessness that Ponderosa has shown in this venture by continuing to actively assist other nations in the preparation and publication of these 'wiki' style factbooks;

Believing that these actions, having had such a widespread and positive effect on the greater community, are more than sufficient for recognition;

Hereby commends Ponderosa.


OOC: Question about this one: "engaging in world affairs for more than six years" - does that read too much like the engagement of an actual player? For some reason, the quantified time period doesn't sit well with me; obviously it's measured in real-time and real-time would seemingly apply to a real player? I'm not sure. Thoughts?
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Postby Ransium » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:07 am

Jocospor wrote:
The World Assembly,

Cognizant that Ponderosa has been actively engaging in world affairs for more than six years and has during that time displayed a high standard of professionalism, tact, and positivity;

Recognizing Ponderosa's authorship and publication of an accessible and incredibly beneficial guide on how to present national information in a standardized and aesthetically-pleasing 'wiki' style factbook format;

Understanding that this guide alone has been viewed almost one hundred thousand times and has very likely been utilized by thousands of nations in the past five and a half years;

Praising the dedication and selflessness that Ponderosa has shown in this venture by continuing to actively assist other nations in the preparation and publication of these 'wiki' style factbooks;

Believing that these actions, having had such a widespread and positive effect on the greater community, are more than sufficient for recognition;

Hereby commends Ponderosa.


OOC: Question about this one: "engaging in world affairs for more than six years" - does that read too much like the engagement of an actual player? For some reason, the quantified time period doesn't sit well with me; obviously it's measured in real-time and real-time would seemingly apply to a real player? I'm not sure. Thoughts?


It seems fine to me, a previously reclusive nation could have begun engaging in world affairs more recently. Generally, I'd prefer a less restrictive reading of R4b/c. There's no problem with measuring things in real world time:

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Time and dates:
Referring to years, months, days of the month, and days of the week is legal within a proposal. Reference to real-world time-zones or eras (such as B.C. or A.D.) is not, as this would violate Rule 4. See here.


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OOC: OK, that's great Ransium, thank you. Helpful to know for the future.
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:57 pm

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Commend Siwale
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Siwale

Proposed by: Ladtanderan

The World Assembly,

BEING a lawful delegate in TNP.

BANNING firearms in their country.

NOT allowing zoos.

Hereby commands Siwale.


Two moderators marked this legal when it in fact isn't. The operative clause says "Hereby commands Siwale" instead of "Hereby commends Siwale".
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Postby Ransium » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:12 pm

I’ve changed my vote to R3, thanks Lenny.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:28 am

Kuriko wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=ladtanderan_1546093232

Commend Siwale
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Siwale

Proposed by: Ladtanderan

The World Assembly,

BEING a lawful delegate in TNP.

BANNING firearms in their country.

NOT allowing zoos.

Hereby commands Siwale.


Two moderators marked this legal when it in fact isn't. The operative clause says "Hereby commands Siwale" instead of "Hereby commends Siwale".

And does it say that the WA is a lawful delegate in TNP?!?

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:32 am

Pffft, details! :p

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Postby Chimes » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:53 pm

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Commend Hexinati

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation
Nominee: Hexinati
Proposed by: Worst Ever Run Nation
Dear members of the Security Council,

I would like to propose that we commend the nation of the Hexinati for it contributions to promoting civil rights and freedom of speech as well as protecting the environment and promoting peace.

The Hexinati, for its entire existence has strived for peace and equality. The nation has made sure everyone has a say and promotes freedom by allowing the use of cigarettes, recreational drugs like cannabis and alcohol, and abortion. It is democratic nation and people are allowed to vote for their leader. The nation also supports the rights of the LGBTQROSI+ community by legalising same sex marriage and fighting (verbally) for their rights on other nations.

The Hexinati has also strived to support the environment by preserving the environment and banning zoos and other animal enclosures. The Hexinati has always helped the environment even when its economy has at risk.

The Hexinati is the head of the Hexinati World Order where nations with similar ideologies can join together and help create peace. This region allows people who do not wish to join the WA to support its goals and create peace.

The Hexinati has also strived for peace and has decided to have a very small military that is only used to help other nations in need of food and resources. The nation also keeps its number of soldiers to an absolute minimum and strongly opposes conscription as it is seen as taking away people’s freedom. The Hexinati also keeps all its borders open for anyone to enter the nation or leave it.


Rule 3, no operative clause. Rule 4b/4d use of ‘I’ and not written from correct perspective.
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Postby Chimes » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:52 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1546637058

Security Council Proposal
ID: the_civitas_islands_1546637058

Commend Zetox

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation
Nominee: Zetox
Proposed by: The Civitas Islands
The World Assembly,

NOTING, that diversity is part of what makes this world, and therefore, this World Assembly great;

UNDERSTANDING that trolls are an integral part of the Nationstates culture;

REALIZING that without such people the World Assembly would be cursed to live in a reality of only pure belief of political philosophy without the regard for those who understand greater things in our existence;

RECOGNIZING the Empire of Zetox for its ability to attach to a particular ideology and use it to troll those of us who attach to our own;

CLARIFYING that there is no way anyone could believe with such intensity the rhetoric which is spewed from the nominee of this proposal and that only a most powerful troll could hope to ascertain the respect garnished by one who pretends to believe such filth so vehemently;

NOTING that the world assembly does not often commend trolls, however,

BELIEVING that this may be the greatest troll who ever lived, one who has convinced an entire region of their faithfulness;

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that without the influence of the nominee of this proposal, our region would be a bleak and mediocre place to reside;

HEREBY NOMINATES the Empire of Zetox for a commendation by the World Assembly for his steadfast ability to cause debate and thought within an already diverse region by maintaining a character to be remembered for the ages.


Rule 4b - use of ‘his’, among many others...not sure if ‘troll’ is a legal term?
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:28 pm

Depends on context. Here, definitely not legal, it makes it plain that Zetox is a person/player and not a nation. That’s a 4(b) violation. That active clause also violates Rule 3.

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Postby Chimes » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:24 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1546702407

Security Council Proposal
ID: atlantiona_1546702407

Repeal: “Commend Gay”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#254

Proposed by: Atlantiona

Security Council Resolution #254 “Commend Gay” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Acknowledging that the proposal commend Gay has caused a nation of considerable size to leave the world assembly, DeltaSource, we move to repeal it. Fisrt and formost, this is not to be sexist or unjust to members of the LGBTQ+ community, it is simply to make it right with other nations that may have left the WA because of this proposal. Gay does not need to be commended if we are to veiw people of the LGBTQ+ community on equal ground with those not in it. If we follow the logic that regions that support the LGBTQ+ community are to be commended for making members of that community equal, then we should go ahead and commend every region to make them equal. This resolution hereby repeals Commend Gay


Rule 2d? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem to address the content of the original proposal.
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Postby Wrapper » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:49 pm

Chimes wrote:Rule 2d? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem to address the content of the original proposal.

I'm marking it legal. The resolution says, for example, that Gay should be commended for their "history of LGBTQ+ advocacy" and their "storied history as the premier LGBTQ+ region in the world". This proposal says they shouldn't be, because if such advocacy is commendable, "then we should go ahead and commend every region to make them equal". That may be horribly unsound logic, and the proposal is not well written by any means, but it addresses enough of the target to be legal. Also, the "we" does not violate 4(d), since in this context it can be argued that the "we" can refer to the nations of the Security Council.

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:38 am

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Condemn The MT Army
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: The MT Army

Proposed by: Fort Cordosa

The Security Council,

Acknowledging The MT Army has successfully fought fascism and as such has been commended by Security Council Resolution #240 and believing that The MT Army does not deserve to lose this commendation,

Noting The MT Army, as highlighted in the destruction of Northern Redlands, currently sets a dangerous precedent for the targetting of non-fascist regions through their own policy of potentially targetting regions due to their tags or embassies,

Understanding many nonfascist regions have open-embassy policies which justfies The MT Army to raid them whilst further understanding many nonfascist regions use tags nonreflective of their true political beliefs,

As evidenced by the region of Northern Redlands, a nonfascist politically diverse region with an open embassy policy, targetted and destroyed by The MT Army, it is evident that The MT Army not only has set a dangerous precedent, but it also uses that dangerous precedent to actively destroy regions they dislike,

Furthermore, even the term fascist is vague in its own; The MT Army is able to attack almost any region they please and label them fascist. Their previous commendation establishes credibility which reduces the need for The MT Army to provide solid evidence behind their attacks.

Distraught by the praise The MT Army received for their attack on Northern Redlands despite there existed very little evidence that the region was, in fact, fascist, whilst grateful of The MT Army for their service in eliminating fascism,

Convinced the commendation of Security Council Resolution #240 stands as a testament to The MT Army's fight against fascism whilst a condemnation would warn the world about their raids against non-fascist regions,

Hereby condemns The MT Army.

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Is "tags" really allowable terminology, rather than too OOC?
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:42 am

"Tag raid" has always been legal, so by extension "tags" should be legal as well. It would be legal under the legal/illegal terms rubric here:

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:33 am

Wrapper wrote:"Tag raid" has always been legal, so by extension "tags" should be legal as well. It would be legal under the legal/illegal terms rubric here:

viewtopic.php?p=3755837#terms

Really> Okay, well, you're the expert. I just couldn't see how it would be explained IC...
This is the WA Mission of Bears Armed, but is technically defined as a separate nation in its own right for all legal purposes. Population = sixty-four seventy-two staff, plus some dependents.

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Ardchoille says: “Bears can be depended on for decent arguments even when there aren't any”.

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