Illegal SC proposals - post them here

[Lenlyvit]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1516067330
I believe this is highly illegal. Also, sorry it's just a link but I have no idea how to post it like the others post them.....

[The Atlae Isles]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=captain_spam_1516067330
I believe this is highly illegal. Also, sorry it's just a link but I have no idea how to post it like the others post them.....

What they do is take the mouse and highlight all of the proposal and copy-paste it into [box]es.

[Wrapper]

It was spam. It's been handled.

[Lenlyvit]

Security Council Proposal
ID: eastwestern_korea_1516125099

Condemn Penglai
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Penglai

Proposed by: Eastwestern Korea

Members of this Security Council,

Recognizing, that Penglai is currently ranked as the 10th-most populated region in the world and its power is extremely high.

However, Penglai isn't filled with nations, it's filled with puppets of the region's founder, Parhe. They have unjustly given themselves more power than is allotted and have since closed up their region.

Reveling, that every motto in the region is identical, and it becomes obvious that Parhe has filled their region with their puppets in order to give themselves more power.

Now, they have since abandoned the region, and while Parhe is now free from blame, the region is not.

Hereby, condemning Penglai in order to set an example to other regions who see this as an opportunity to give themselves power in the WA.

Finally, if we let Penglai stand uncondemned, other nations may take it as an easy way to gain unjust power. Condemn Penglai and ensure that power is not earned in dishonorable ways.Members of this Security Council,

Recognizing, that Penglai is currently ranked as the 10th-most populated region in the world and its power is extremely high.

However, Penglai isn't filled with nations, it's filled with puppets of the region's founder, Parhe. They have unjustly given themselves more power than is allotted and have since closed up their region.

Reveling, that every motto in the region is identical, and it becomes obvious that Parhe has filled his region with their puppets in order to give themselves more power.

Now, they have since abandoned the region, and while Parhe is now free from blame, the region is not.

Hereby, condemning Penglai in order to set an example to other regions who see this as an opportunity to give themselves power in the WA.

Finally, if we let Penglai stand uncondemned, other nations may take it as an easy way to gain unjust power. Condemn Penglai and ensure that power is not earned in dishonorable ways.

Rule 4(b), references Parhe as a person behind the nation through the terminology "puppets" and "he". Although I'm not sure about the puppets terminology

[Frisbeeteria]

Rule 4(b), references Parhe as a person, "he".

I saw that in an earlier iteration. Not seeing it in this one. Where are you seeing that?

Although I'm not sure about the puppets terminology

Me either.

[Unibot III]

*grits his teeth* eeerrrrrrrghhh.

First things first: I would argue the resolution commits a very unusual but still blatant violation of R3 in its final sentence. A condemnation cannot "ensure that power is not earned in dishonorable ways." This is a bit of a demonstration of why you ought to keep your operative clauses short and clear! "Hereby condemns Penglai."

The Rule IV violation however is far more interesting and debatable...

"Puppet _____" is definitely preferred under Rule IV. You'll often see "Puppet nation," "Puppet storage region," "Puppet regime," "Puppet states," "Puppet government," and even "Sleeper puppet."

There are only two instances of "Puppet" used outright in SC resolutions, although it's been done. Commend 1 Infinite Loop and Liberate Kingdom of Ireland. In the case of Liberate Kingdom of Ireland, the author is quoting a WFE's message verbatim. In the case of Commend 1 Infinite Loop, it's referring to a nation as a puppet of a person - Lord Rahl.

I would say that it's the frequent use of 'puppet' here in "Condemn Penglai" that stretches R4 too far. If the author had used it more sparingly, we could interpret "puppet" as a bit of rhetorical flourish (which is acceptable and R4 compliant) but when you don't use the word sparingly and you're not coupling it with "nation" or "regime" etc., it looks as though you're using the word in an unnatural way.

[Wrapper]

I usually have no problem with "puppet". It's a term that has real geopolitical connotations, such as, Vichy France being a puppet of Nazi Germany. But, yes, I agree this one stretches it too far, particularly the part saying that the region "isn't filled with nations, it's filled with puppets".

Rule 4(b), references Parhe as a person, "he".

I saw that in an earlier iteration. Not seeing it in this one. Where are you seeing that?

This proposal has been pulled and resubmitted several times. At the time, there wasn't a "he" but a "his" in the second "Reveling" (sic) line.

First things first: I would argue the resolution commits a very unusual but still blatant violation of R3 in its final sentence. A condemnation cannot "ensure that power is not earned in dishonorable ways." This is a bit of a demonstration of why you ought to keep your operative clauses short and clear! "Hereby condemns Penglai."

A fair point that I had missed, thank you.

[Unibot III]

I usually have no problem with "puppet". It's a term that has real geopolitical connotations, such as, Vichy France being a puppet of Nazi Germany. But, yes, I agree this one stretches it too far, particularly the part saying that the region "isn't filled with nations, it's filled with puppets".

This is a weird one to rule on. In my opinion if the author hadn't used puppet throughout the proposal, that introductory line - "filled with nations, it's filled with puppets" - would be fine under R4, because we could have interpreted it as dramatic rhetoric. It's true in RL as in NS, that some nations are just flat out puppets sometimes. The problem is the author uses 'puppet' so damn much it stretches the bounds of reasonable believability and makes the reader question whether they're still using the word, "puppet" in the RL sense or the NS sense.

It reminds me the "poster" debacle. Technically, there's a RL meaning to poster (paper) as legitimate as there is for forum. But we allow forum and not poster under R4, because in practice, you can't usually use poster in a way that equivocates well enough in substance. (And believe me I fought hard for 'poster,' haha.) Under R4, it's usually not the words that get you in trouble, it's the way you're using them.

A fair point that I had missed, thank you.

Not to worry, cheers.

[Lenlyvit]

I usually have no problem with "puppet". It's a term that has real geopolitical connotations, such as, Vichy France being a puppet of Nazi Germany. But, yes, I agree this one stretches it too far, particularly the part saying that the region "isn't filled with nations, it's filled with puppets".

I saw that in an earlier iteration. Not seeing it in this one. Where are you seeing that?

This proposal has been pulled and resubmitted several times. At the time, there wasn't a "he" but a "his" in the second "Reveling" (sic) line.

First things first: I would argue the resolution commits a very unusual but still blatant violation of R3 in its final sentence. A condemnation cannot "ensure that power is not earned in dishonorable ways." This is a bit of a demonstration of why you ought to keep your operative clauses short and clear! "Hereby condemns Penglai."

A fair point that I had missed, thank you.

I thought about editing it after I posted, but then realized people might think I edited the proposals wording instead of mine. So I didn't

[Nightkill]

Security Council Proposal
ID: new_haudenosaunee_confederacy_1517026535

Repeal: “Commend McMasterdonia”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#151

Proposed by: New Haudenosaunee Confederacy

Security Council Resolution #151 “Commend McMasterdonia” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Recognizes McMasterdonia as a nation which abuses ability to ban nations from the North Pacific, by banning horassed nations because they're being horassed,

Recognizes that McMasterdonia doesn't use diplomatic skills and creates unfriendly relations between not only himself and other nations, but also the North Pacific and other nations,

Notes that McMasterdonia isn't often seen communicating with other nations,

Understands that McMasterdonia isn't seen with a leader-like attitude and is seen with more of a corrupt leader,

Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #151, "Commend McMasterdonia"

R4(b) violation. >>Himself<<

[Milintia]

Liberate East Pacific

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): East Pacific

Proposed by: Paisos Valencians

Pedimos la liberación de todos los presos políticos que hay en esta región y en otras muchas regiones, porque son demócratas y esos regímenes no lo son. La democracia debe estar por encima de todo y por eso escribo a esta institución para que oblige a los países y regiones a liberar a los presos ya que no han tenido un juicio real, sino un juicio político. Siento si la traducción es mala ya que está escrita en español

English only.

[Wrapper]

Best I can tell from Google translate it also violates rules 3, 4(b) and 4(d).

[Fratt]

Security Council Proposal
ID: richmore_1518222490
Repeal: “Commend Goobergunchia”

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#10

Proposed by: Richmore

Security Council Resolution #10 “Commend Goobergunchia” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The Securit Council:

Understanding that the object of the commending has ceased to exist;

Hereby:

Reapeals "Commend Goobergunchia".

Approvals: 3 (Nova Jackitalism, The Tankerian Archipeligo, Minarva)
Status: ILLEGAL — HELD

Illegal (1): Frisbeeteria

9 hours ago: Frisbeeteria: Illegal — R2d, CTE status is irrelevant to the resolution text. R4c, CTE is a game status

Emphasis mine. What.
"Region", "ejection", "ban" or "password" are game terms too, but they are still legal.
SC#110 (Condemn Yauna) refers to the subject of the resolution as having let "itself to cease to exist", and it wasn't questioned.

And a state can cease to exist as an entity in the real world (the USSR ceased to exist, etc.).
Yes, the idea of population and territory vanishing as is the case in NS is definitely a game-only status, but the words "cease to exist" don't imply that.

[Wrapper]

Perhaps, but still illegal under 2(d).

[Fratt]

So long as it's not a ruling on "ceased to exist".

[Godurathan]

Security Council Proposal
ID: schmemy_1519066825

Liberate Warzone Europe
A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation

Nominee (region): Warzone Europe

Proposed by: Schmemy

For: the liberation of Warzone Europe from NotNootlandia.

Realizing: the recent invasion of Warzone Europe by NotNootLandia, a player only 1 day old.

Recognizing: the enslavement of Warzone Europe by invaders.

Proposing: the liberation of Warzone Europe

This was submitted via WA multi. Also violates rule 4(b), I believe.

Edit:

Security Council Proposal
ID: notnootlandia_1519046118

Condemn Ancian
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Ancian

Proposed by: NotNootlandia

For: Its tyrannical conquering and stronghold on Warzone Europe.

Because: Of its unethical ruling of and border control of Warzone Europe.

To: Strongly condemn Aciobs practices and forever hold the nation in contempt.

This was also submitted via WA multi.

[Tinhampton]

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: tinka_bonka_1520615689
Repeal "Liberate The Communal Confederacy"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#244

Proposed by: Tinka Bonka

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Security Council Resolution #244 “Liberate The Communal Confederacy” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

I propose that we create a new law that would force leaders to put a region to rest if they are to close their account. If new leaders are given control, force them to follow the same standards as the leader before them. If they wanted leadership, they should've been in a different region that supported them.

R2c (proposes technical suggestions), R3 (no operative clause), R4b ("account"), R4d ("I propose that we create...").

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SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: showme_1520617681
Repeal "Liberate The Communal Confederacy"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#244

Proposed by: Showme

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Security Council Resolution #244 “Liberate The Communal Confederacy” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

I do not want to liberate a nation. Let the nation thrive for itself, how do you think America got Independence.

R3 (no operative clause), R4a ("America"), R4d ("I do not want to...").

[Ransium]

Marked them both illegal.

[Tinhampton]

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: julutth_1520782544


Condemn Udichi
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee (nation): Udichi

Proposed by: Julutth

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Recognizing that Udichi has repeatedly used its regional power to seize other regions (such as The Marxist Leninist Union) without raiding, but by declaring a region as theirs and lying about their powers (e.g. “I can destroy your nation’s economy”) through telegram and message board;

Further recognizing that the nation in question maintains a long history of supporting Imperialist politics and supporting oppressive region regimes (like their embassy ally, ISIS land);

Observing that Udichi has purged harmless nations from his region, Shrayan Bose, like The Nordic Model, for their political ideals, yet Udichi still touts his region through “Independent” and “Neutral” tags, which is misleading;

Noting that Udichi has also created an unpleasant environment for regional members, by writing vulgar insults in the language “Bengali” at other nation members,

Hereby condemns Udichi.

R4b ("his region").

[Ransium]

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: julutth_1520782544

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Condemn Udichi
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee (nation): Udichi

Proposed by: Julutth

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Recognizing that Udichi has repeatedly used its regional power to seize other regions (such as The Marxist Leninist Union) without raiding, but by declaring a region as theirs and lying about their powers (e.g. “I can destroy your nation’s economy”) through telegram and message board;

Further recognizing that the nation in question maintains a long history of supporting Imperialist politics and supporting oppressive region regimes (like their embassy ally, ISIS land);

Observing that Udichi has purged harmless nations from his region, Shrayan Bose, like The Nordic Model, for their political ideals, yet Udichi still touts his region through “Independent” and “Neutral” tags, which is misleading;

Noting that Udichi has also created an unpleasant environment for regional members, by writing vulgar insults in the language “Bengali” at other nation members,

Hereby condemns Udichi.

R4b ("his region").

Marked illegal.

[Lenlyvit]

Security Council Proposal
ID: das_weinersreich_1521057932

Commend Eundak
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Eundak

Proposed by: Das Weinersreich

As members of the WA, it behooves us to draw attention to those regions that embody the supreme adherence to diplomacy that this organization represents.

NOTING the great diversity of governments and opinions that reside in Eundak

WITH ATTENTION TO numerous instances of regional tension that were resolved by diplomatic means when others may resort to war

COMMENDING the regional government in it's efforts to promote peace and diversity

R3 I believe?

[Ransium]

Security Council Proposal
ID: das_weinersreich_1521057932

Commend Eundak
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee: Eundak

Proposed by: Das Weinersreich

As members of the WA, it behooves us to draw attention to those regions that embody the supreme adherence to diplomacy that this organization represents.

NOTING the great diversity of governments and opinions that reside in Eundak

WITH ATTENTION TO numerous instances of regional tension that were resolved by diplomatic means when others may resort to war

COMMENDING the regional government in it's efforts to promote peace and diversity

R3 I believe?

Marked illegal for that reason.

[Lenlyvit]

Security Council Proposal
ID: naenaein_stan_1521101574

Condemn Christian Democrats
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Christian Democrats

Proposed by: Naenaein stan

We should Condemn The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats.
We should condemn this nation for their actions in impeding the course of democracy. This nation which is a secretariat and has the power to deemed a resolution legal or illegal has abused this power. This nation has deemed resolutions they do not agree with as ' illegal '.
This abuse of power must stop!
We must condemn The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats.

R3

[Wrapper]

I suppose so, but I marked it illegal for R1.

[Lenlyvit]

I suppose so, but I marked it illegal for R1.

I didn't think that the Secretariat were considered part of R1. Sorry Wrapper.