[WITHDRAWN] Liberate Zoo

[Mahaj]

We support the UDL-FRA in it's regional imperialism

Noted, thanks. "Regional imperialism" will work nicely in my campaign TG.

Fully expect Cormac to attribute that quote to a UDL-FRA leader.

Cormac Stark: Just because he lied in batches of telegrams to delegate already doesn't mean he won't do it again

[Galiantus]

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That's brilliant but highly unfortunate for the UDL and FRA.

There is nothing wrong with Imperialism, with the support of the UDL and FRA, Zoo can become a prosperous colony.

Suddenly you represent all of Zoo, having no previous connections with them, and being a colony of UDL? I don't think so.

The purpose of this resolution is to challenge the Security Council to be consistent in the application of its principles.

So basically you're trying to score points, you don't really care about the region?

Not the spirit wanted for a liberation.

This just in:

Nicholas Remington and Asgard leave Christmas:

We came here with the intention of providing a brighter future for this region. We leave saddened that we were deprived of that opportunity by the Security Council and the defenders who control it.

We are leaving because it was the will of the interregional community that the natives be given a chance to decide the future of their region. We are most certainly not leaving because of the UDL or other defender organizations, none of whom have presented any resistance to our invasion or occupation in the past 26 days. We will leave now to give the natives the chance to determine the future of this region, but we fully expect a few months from now to find it exactly as it was before we came here: inactive and prone to constant invasion.

That will be the legacy of the Security Council, of the UDL, and of the natives who supported Liberate Christmas. But it will not be our legacy. Goodbye Christmas.

In the face of absolutely no resistance, plenty of endorsements, plenty of publicity, and a good chance of refounding, they just leave. Defenders, I guess, could now invade the region, but the point here is that they wanted what was best for the region. Why couldn't the same spirit carry over here? Defenders very rarely do anything to help a region, other than to kick invaders out, make it one of their colonies, password it, and leave it founderless. This type of legislation in the WA is the ONLY kind of legislation I support, becuase it actually has the power to empower regions rather than the WA.

What is more important to you? Making someone else's region yours, or making a region a cultural center? You, the UDL and FRA have made it quite apperant that you intend to simply counter-raid invaded regions under the banner of being in the region's best interest, and as soon as someone like Asgard makes a move to make a region a better place, a cultural center, you can't stand it.

[Paper Flowers]

Following in Asgards footsteps it seems appropriate to automatically reject a raider authored liberation. Against.

This isn't about Asgard; this is about Zoo and the FRA-UDL occupation forces who are depriving the natives of self-determination and self-government.

Just as the liberation where I quoted Asgard from wasn't to do with the defenders, but that didn't stop your region bringing the author into it at the time, so precisely why should one act differently when a member of Asgard is the author?

You're free to oppose raider-authored liberation resolutions, of course, but let's keep this in perspective. This liberation resolution differs in no way from countless liberation resolutions that have passed the Security Council in the past, except that it targets a defender occupation and was authored by a citizen of a raider region.

True, however this brings up three main points:

1. When the minister of Foreign Affairs for a region which states as a point of FA that it will not support defender authored liberations, it seems quite interesting for them to then expect support for their own proposals.
2. It seems most of the actions you describe in your proposal match those which Asgard itself has chosen to do in Christmas, so considering your regions insistence that it should be allowed to carry out those actions, why should you then criticise others when you claim they do the same as you?
3. Considering the comments from FRA that they will likely be out of the region as soon as the lead comes online, it brings up the question of the purpose of this proposal. What could a raider have to gain by removing password protection from a recent raid target? Oh yeah...

[Drop Your Pants]

OBSERVING that at least one native of Zoo has expressed opposition to the lockdown imposed by FRA-UDL forces;

At least one? You've only shown evidence for one nation. Stop trying to sound like there's more

[The Realm of God]

There is nothing wrong with Imperialism, with the support of the UDL and FRA, Zoo can become a prosperous colony.

Suddenly you represent all of Zoo, having no previous connections with them, and being a colony of UDL? I don't think so.

So basically you're trying to score points, you don't really care about the region?

Not the spirit wanted for a liberation.

This just in:

Nicholas Remington and Asgard leave Christmas:

In the face of absolutely no resistance, plenty of endorsements, plenty of publicity, and a good chance of refounding, they just leave. Defenders, I guess, could now invade the region, but the point here is that they wanted what was best for the region. Why couldn't the same spirit carry over here? Defenders very rarely do anything to help a region, other than to kick invaders out, make it one of their colonies, password it, and leave it founderless. This type of legislation in the WA is the ONLY kind of legislation I support, becuase it actually has the power to empower regions rather than the WA.

What is more important to you? Making someone else's region yours, or making a region a cultural center? You, the UDL and FRA have made it quite apperant that you intend to simply counter-raid invaded regions under the banner of being in the region's best interest, and as soon as someone like Asgard makes a move to make a region a better place, a cultural center, you can't stand it.

I do not represent Zoo. I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

[Unibot II]

I do not represent Zoo. I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

[The Realm of God]

I do not represent Zoo. I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

Fair enough, how long do you intend to hold onto the occupied territories?

[Galiantus]

I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

So invaders have the right to "empire build" as you say? I completely disagree.

Empire building destroys communities. It does not build them, and it does not strengthen them. If I thought Asgard was going to just take Christmas and make it a colony, I would have been just as much against it as if the UDL or FRA, or TBR or TBH had taken it.

EDIT:

I do not represent Zoo. I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

As long as you tell your troops to leave the region now that the password was changed, I see no reason to disagree with you. If they don't leave within 24 hours, I fully support this proposal.

[The Realm of God]

I understand UDL and the FRA's right to empire build. I approve of their actions. Rah Rah.

So invaders have the right to "empire build" as you say? I completely disagree.

Empire building destroys communities. It does not build them, and it does not strengthen them. If I thought Asgard was going to just take Christmas and make it a colony, I would have been just as much against it as if the UDL or FRA, or TBR or TBH had taken it.

EDIT:

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

As long as you tell your troops to leave the region now that the password was changed, I see no reason to disagree with you. If they don't leave within 24 hours, I fully support this proposal.

Empire builing allows regions to show thier prestiege, natives can always move regions and restart a new community.

[Cormac Stark]

If the FRA and UDL withdraw from Zoo and it can be confirmed that the password has been given to a native, I'll withdraw this proposal. If it makes it into the queue before that happens I don't know what to tell you, so you better hurry it up. I'll refrain from a TG campaign for 24 hours.

[Ambroscus Koth]

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

So...when defenders do it, it's freeing the region from the oppression and tyranny of invading raider scum.

When raiders do it, it's petty point scoring and slander for revenge?

[Galiantus]

Empire builing allows regions to show thier prestiege, natives can always move regions and restart a new community.

You have obviousely never tried to "move" a community. I was part of Tiamat when we decided to move to Glass Gallows. To move even tha active members of the community has taken almost a month, and we have suffered a little bit of fracturing. It is easier for a community to grow and thrive when they have their own region to do it in. It is wrong to take that away.

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

So...when defenders do it, it's freeing the region from the oppression and tyranny of invading raider scum.

When raiders do it, it's petty point scoring and slander for revenge?

^This

[Unibot II]

If the FRA and UDL withdraw from Zoo and it can be confirmed that the password has been given to a native

FRA is in charge with the password, I haven't been provided it (no need for more people to know it than necessary). But I'd presume it has already been given to a native, it's a matter of getting them onto the Official forums to confirm here, I guess.

I've already contacted the UDLers in Zoo to leave since their mandate has expired and I've moved out too. Humanitarian volunteers will trickle out over the next day with people coming online to read their messages.

[Mahaj]

There is no "empire-building" going on. The region was put down in lock-down mode by natives and the password was leaked to raiders -- if the password had not been changed by defenders, the region would continue to be vulnerable to raider-attack, even though the natives had tried to lock down the region.

This "Liberate Zoo" project is a last ditch attempt by raiders to get an opportunity to destroy Zoo and slander FRA and UDL as "empire-builders", probably out of revenge for lobbying against Asgard's attempted conquest of Christmas through the Security Council.

Fair enough, how long do you intend to hold onto the occupied territories?

The mission is over, actually, so its not being held any longer.

[Cormac Stark]

I've requested that the moderators remove this proposal, given the claims that the FRA and UDL are in the process of withdrawing. If these claims prove false the proposal will be resubmitted.

[Drop Your Pants]

I've requested that the moderators remove this proposal, given the claims that the FRA and UDL are in the process of withdrawing. If these claims prove false the proposal will be resubmitted.

Your making it sound like a threat

[Galiantus]

I've requested that the moderators remove this proposal, given the claims that the FRA and UDL are in the process of withdrawing. If these claims prove false the proposal will be resubmitted.

Your making it sound like a threat

It is, because if he resubmits it, it will have a few additions referring to how UDL said they would leave but did not.

[Drop Your Pants]

At least get the groups right, its a FRA lead

[Cromarty]

There's also the matter that without the protection the region gets raided again... helping your allies.

Didn't stop you with Christmas.

And clearly this is exactly the same situation as Christmas.

Oh wait no it's not.

[A Penguin Tiger]

At least get the groups right, its a FRA lead

To be fair to UDL they did supply a rather large force in this defence.

[Cromarty]

At least get the groups right, its a FRA lead

To be fair to UDL they did supply a rather large force in this defence.

Ah but we must treat this as raiders do their raids. Therefore it's an FRA mission.

I AM *INSERT RAIDER GROUP HERE THAT ONLY HAS 5 UPDATERS IN REALITY* HERE ME ROAR.

[Jakker]

To be fair to UDL they did supply a rather large force in this defence.

Ah but we must treat this as raiders do their raids. Therefore it's an FRA mission.

I AM *INSERT RAIDER GROUP HERE THAT ONLY HAS 5 UPDATERS IN REALITY* HERE ME ROAR.

haha oh no Georgie is making fun of raiders! What are we going to do?

Raiders seem better at handling corporation than defenders since well, we actually like and respect each other and don't talk bad behind each other's backs. So maybe taking a page out of our book wouldn't be a bad thing.

Anyways, nice to see that the mission is finally over.

[Weed]

and don't talk bad behind each other's backs

[Jakker]

and don't talk bad behind each other's backs

I guess you have some inside info into the workings of raiders?

[Weed]

I guess you have some inside info into the workings of raiders?

No but if raiders tend to speak badly of other raiders even in my presence I can only imagine.