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[Withdrawn] Liberate Euskadi

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[Withdrawn] Liberate Euskadi

Postby Jagermeister » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Description: The Security Council,

DEPLORING the invasion and subsequent occupation of Euskadi by The Dictatorship of Euskal Patria y Libertad and the forces of The Greater German Reich;

OBSERVING that Euskal Patria y Libertad has placed Euskadi under invisible password protection, barring the reentry of ejected natives;

NOTING with alarm that Euskal Patria y Libertad has already begun ejecting nations from Euskadi;

RECALLING The Greater German Reich's long history of refounding regions for the purpose of colonizing them and spreading the heinous Nazi ideology of hatred, mayhem, and genocide;

RECOGNIZING that Euskal Patria y Libertad is likely to eject the last remaining native, The People's Republic of Sarriko, from Euskadi for this purpose unless swift action is taken;

REAFFIRMING the Security Council's commitment to "spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary";

DECLARING that the Security Council must always seek to enable the protection and liberation of peaceful regions, however small their native populations, from fascist and Nazi aggression;

HEREBY Liberates Euskadi.
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Postby Socialist Ecuador » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:23 pm

As far as I can tell, there was only one native prior to the occupation. Not really worth it.
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Skyrim Diplomacy
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Also, it's customary to post these before you submit them, so editing can occur. We don't really have anything to discuss now other than "I agree" or "I don't agree."

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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:42 pm

Socialist Ecuador wrote:As far as I can tell, there was only one native prior to the occupation. Not really worth it.

We disagree.

We believe it is always worth it to prevent the colonization of a free and peaceful region by a fascist or Nazi region like The Greater German Reich, given that such colonization will involve the use of that region to promote a detestable ideology that belongs on the ash heap of history. Moreover, given that the colonization of this region was likely motivated specifically by Nazi ideology -- Euskadi is a socialist and anarchist region involving an ethnic minority -- it is even more important that the Security Council act to prevent a victory for this insidious ideology and those who adhere to it.

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Also, it's customary to post these before you submit them, so editing can occur. We don't really have anything to discuss now other than "I agree" or "I don't agree."

We apologize, but the urgency of this matter required that the resolution be submitted without delay. Euskadi doesn't have time for several days of debate, or even one day.

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:10 pm

Cormac Stark wrote:We apologize, but the urgency of this matter required that the resolution be submitted without delay. Euskadi doesn't have time for several days of debate, or even one day.

Sad to hear that. The proposal, for the reasons I stated above and those presented by SE, will not garner my approval.

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Postby Fischistan » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:27 pm

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Also, it's customary to post these before you submit them, so editing can occur. We don't really have anything to discuss now other than "I agree" or "I don't agree."

If you wait a day, more natives are ejected from the region. You have to submit Liberations fast, or else you could risk having them be ineffective, just like Nationalist Union.

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Postby The divided » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:54 pm

It's not what this resolution does, even with editing it's still a liberation proposal.

The problem is that it is terribly written. A proper course of action would have been to submit this draft before time, and the serious editing mistakes, i.e. "nazi" references could have been taken out in less than one hour, and besides, another resolution is still at vote for another 11 hours, so any argument that this proposal had to be submitted right away is dubious at best.

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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:20 pm

The divided wrote:It's not what this resolution does, even with editing it's still a liberation proposal.

The problem is that it is terribly written. A proper course of action would have been to submit this draft before time, and the serious editing mistakes, i.e. "nazi" references could have been taken out in less than one hour, and besides, another resolution is still at vote for another 11 hours, so any argument that this proposal had to be submitted right away is dubious at best.

May I ask why, specifically, it is terribly written?

In regard to the proposal that will still be at vote for 11 hours, that's true. But that doesn't mean that waiting for 11 hours to submit this proposal would have been a good idea. Another proposal could have been introduced by then and could have achieved quorum, which would have delayed this proposal by another three days. By then Euskadi would likely be a refounded colony of GGR.

At the end of the day, a liberation resolution is still a liberation resolution and Euskadi is still in need of liberation. Look at Liberate Belgium, the first liberation resolution passed by the Security Council. Was its style, formatting, and language flawless? Far from it. But what really matters, and what must always be kept in mind, is that a free and peaceful region is about to be turned into a colony so that a Nazi region can promote its ideology of hatred. The Security Council can either take action to prevent that or get hung up on nitpicking over the perfection or lack thereof of this resolution. I hope we will choose the former.

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:02 am

Fischistan wrote:If you wait a day, more natives are ejected from the region. You have to submit Liberations fast, or else you could risk having them be ineffective, just like Nationalist Union.

That's a ridiculous premise tantamount to the "badge of glory" argument in its in inherent silliness. Does being banned sooner rather than later really mean anything? No. Had an argument been made for a possible refound by the GGR, I might have believed it. But not a "let's save the one native with a speedy Liberation" argument.

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Postby Fischistan » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:09 am

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:
Fischistan wrote:If you wait a day, more natives are ejected from the region. You have to submit Liberations fast, or else you could risk having them be ineffective, just like Nationalist Union.

That's a ridiculous premise tantamount to the "badge of glory" argument in its in inherent silliness. Does being banned sooner rather than later really mean anything? No. Had an argument been made for a possible refound by the GGR, I might have believed it. But not a "let's save the one native with a speedy Liberation" argument.

GGR will refound it if we don't act fast. That's why we have to submit Liberations fast, not because of we don't want them to have any badge of glory, but because we don't want them to get refounded before we have a chance to pass it. It's submit it early, or have the region be refounded.
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Postby The divided » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:58 am

Fischistan wrote:
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:That's a ridiculous premise tantamount to the "badge of glory" argument in its in inherent silliness. Does being banned sooner rather than later really mean anything? No. Had an argument been made for a possible refound by the GGR, I might have believed it. But not a "let's save the one native with a speedy Liberation" argument.

GGR will refound it if we don't act fast. That's why we have to submit Liberations fast, not because of we don't want them to have any badge of glory, but because we don't want them to get refounded before we have a chance to pass it. It's submit it early, or have the region be refounded.


submitting them fast =/= badly writing a liberation resolution, submitting it, then making a thread.

It is patently false to argue that taking 1 hour of editing time means that it is going too slow.

You are correct that the earlier resolutions were not written that well, however that was in the infancy of the SC where there was no precedent to turn to, and to compare this resolution with that of previous resolutions is apples to oranges.

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Postby The Great Destruction » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:11 am

Am I missing something or is the region like 15 days old or less? Just make a new one. This smells like a bogus attempt to get an SC resolution badge.

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Postby Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:26 am

The Great Destruction wrote:Am I missing something or is the region like 15 days old or less? Just make a new one. This smells like a bogus attempt to get an SC resolution badge.

Euskadi is 183 days old, and I can assure you that neither Asgard nor our WA Regional Delegate have any interest in a Security Council proposal badge. Anyone who has witnessed our earlier participation in Security Council debates, like Fischistan, can vouch for that. It just happens that we do believe that the Security Council should take action to prevent fascist thugs from colonizing free and peaceful regions.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:49 am

The Great Destruction wrote:Am I missing something or is the region like 15 days old or less? Just make a new one. This smells like a bogus attempt to get an SC resolution badge.


It's called 'Reading the regional history of the region, easily accessible from the region's main page itself, and finding that it's 183 days old'.

UNAF wholeheartedly supports this proposal, as we hope it'll send a message to the GGR that they will be opposed whenever they try and spread their Nazi empire.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:36 am

Quite funny to see Jagermeister of all people authoring this...

we are convinced neither that there was an active regional community left for GGR to destroy nor that the natives of TUKBEuskadi -- if any actually exist -- actively wish to be liberated.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:48 am

This just became unnecessary, Euskadi's founder has returned. :)
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:50 am

Mm yes, indeed. We respectfully urge the submitting ambassadors to remove their proposal from the floor, as an unnecessary Liberation may cause more harm in the future, should any natives return to the region.

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Postby The Great Destruction » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:19 pm

Yes I get it, the region has been in existance for that long, but the oldest post is 12 days old, the region is a wastrel one and needs not be saved.

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Postby Chastity Hitler » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:29 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:This just became unnecessary, Euskadi's founder has returned. :)

Zhe region vas returned to its rightful owners: German chastity und order rule once more


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