Condemn Hidden World

[Anime Daisuki]

I wonder if there is support among WA delegates here to stand together and condemn the region Hidden World for repeatedly spamming the NS world. Here is a draft proposal for debate.

SECURITY COUNCIL

Condemn Hidden World
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Description: NOTING the residents from Hidden World, since it's creation in August 2009, have *repeatedly* spammed a countless number of user-created regions on NationStates, which include, but not limited to, the following:

Pleiades, Austria, Liberalia, England, Leone, Greece, The Proletariat Coalition, China, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Himalaya Hideout, World 7, Mediterranian, The Celtic Union CU, and many others.

RECOGNIZING that recruiting or spamming in user-created regions is against NationStates rules.

AWARE that they have been warned by NationStates Moderators; yet they are continuing to do this over and over again.

NOTING their recalcitrant and defiant nature.

HEREBY condemns Hidden World for its actions above.

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

I think the general rule is, if it can be settled in Moderation, don't submit. I'm pretty sure that applies in this case.

[Anime Daisuki]

Problem is mod actions so far have not deterred them. One Kwenlandia was deleted and mods have posted on their RMB at least once to warn them about spamming, but they are still doing it.

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

Mods can follow up on their warnings, you know. They usually ask you to let them know if the problem continues.

[Qumkent]

OOC isn't this just a preposterously overblown GHR ? Seriously ?

[Anime Daisuki]

The mods have deleted the second nation from that region for spamming.

# 2 hours ago: The Empire of Taziastan was removed for failing to heed MULTIPLE warnings to stop region ad-spamming.

A warning was additionally posted on the RMB. But of course, the native founder quickly "cleaned" the RMB to remove any trace of the mod warning.

Judging from past experiences, I don't have high hopes that this will be the end of it. The only way is to give them a condemn sticker to "remind" them.

I have played NS since Jan 2004 and this is the worst spamming group I have ever seen.

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

Spamming is a problem for Moderation, as are illegal proposals. I'm sure a moderator will be by shortly to tell you the same.

[Flibbleites]

Do you honestly think that if they ignore the mods they'll pay attention to a condemnation from the SC?

[Travancore-Cochin]

AD's point is that mod warnings on the RMB and nation deletion reasons that pop up on the RH can be easily removed by its members.

A condemn sticky (if it passes) cannot be (unless it is repealed).

[Firstaria]

Spamming is a mod issue, so i belive we are losing time discussing here about a condemnation. Report them, NS Mods and Admins will decide.

[Flibbleites]

AD's point is that mod warnings on the RMB and nation deletion reasons that pop up on the RH can be easily removed by its members.

A condemn sticky (if it passes) cannot be (unless it is repealed).

And you think getting condemned will put a stop to their misbehavior?

[Sedgistan]

Macedon were't condemned to try and stop them griefing regions... Condemnations aren't necessarily about changing behaviour of those who are condemned, they're more about showing disapproval of it, and discouraging it.

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

Really? I thought it was all about handing out badges to each other.

Even if Hidden World's offenses couldn't be handled in Moderation (where they should be handled), why in the seven hells would you want to award such annoying spammers all this attention and notoriety? I thought only NAZI EUROPE warranted that level of hype.

[Travancore-Cochin]

AD's point is that mod warnings on the RMB and nation deletion reasons that pop up on the RH can be easily removed by its members.

A condemn sticky (if it passes) cannot be (unless it is repealed).

And you think getting condemned will put a stop to their misbehavior?

No, but their obsessive behaviour may be reduced to some degree. Perhaps, they have some kind of misinformed policy that "teaches" newcomers to engage in such acts? As it stands, the RMB and RH reminders could be easily gotten rid of, and the newbies would never know that such actions are rule violations. A condemn sticky, on the other hand, might elicit the question, "Why are we condemned?" Although I have no hope that they will answer it correctly, these nations could find out by reading the condemnation text.

Of course, all of this is in theory, not on paper. A condemnation is not gonna change something that has endured multiple mod warnings, so I'll drop it. Sorry!

[Krioval]

A condemnation could also embolden a nation or region to continue in the condemned behavior. Just sayin', y'know.

[Cinistra]

Spamming is a case for the Mods. Let them handle it, and keep the WA bureaucracy out of it, please.

[Danielturner]

Are you serious. You seriously think that a Condemnation will stop them. I tried to Condemn the Empire of Power Reborn. They said "Do it. Boost our popularity". I tried to repeal the Macedon Condemnation. They said "Don't do it, Don't take away our popularity." Condemnations only egg on the condemned it doesn't do anything else.

[Redmend]

Look, They don't understand english that well and they probably don't know what "Spam" is.