Condemns - Establishing why and how they can be used?

[Helertia]

As you will have no doubt noticed, recent debate on the WASC proposal "Repeal: Condemn Nazi Europe" has been slowed down by people arguing over what condemns can and cannot be used for. There are two camps - Condemn for in-game actions ONLY (region invasions, agressive recruitment etc) and Condemn for Ideology (Nazism)

Obviously, this isn't helpful in the debate and serves only to distract people from the actual issue
I have started this thread in order to find out about the possibilty of reaching some kind of formal consensus on what condemns can and cannot be used for, and how we might go about doing so

Your thoughts?

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

There are two camps - Condemn for in-game actions ONLY (region invasions, agressive recruitment etc) and Condemn for Ideology (Nazism)

There are also some who hold that C&Cs shouldn't be based on either. Had you read the previous threads on this subject you'd know that.

The most recent topic is here. I'm requesting a lock on this one.

[Helertia]

Ga, didn't notice that. I'm on flu meds, I have no idea what I'm doing half the time, please don't kill me

Obviously not widely read, judging by the debate about that repeal

[Krioval]

There needn't be a dichotomy. I think that a C/C proposal can focus on any attribute that the SC feels is worthy of note. That can (but doesn't need to) include ideological reasons, though there should be some in-game reason for the C/C - participating in the raiding/defense game should count, as should RP forum activity (NS, II, WA subforums). Only commending (or condemning, I suppose) moderators for doing their jobs has been expressly forbidden. I'm not too particular on the wording, unlike my incredible lawful readings of GA proposals, since C/C resolutions have a smaller international footprint. Somebody coming by and saying either "Yay, we like you", or "Boo, you suck", even in an official capacity will have a lesser impact than, say, legalizing same-sex marriage, banning biological weapons, or trying to expand trade.

Also, I don't need to be told what is and isn't helpful. The repeal effort you have cited hinges on this debate - whether ideological concerns are sufficient for a C/C proposal. Thus, it is hardly a distraction to mention Krioval's position: C/C proposals can be primarily ideological in origin, so long as there is some in-game justification, even if that justification is mentioned in the discussion thread.

[Homer and Peter]

It says explicit in the FAQ section that WA resolutions affect only WA nations. It's voluntarily to join the WA. Regions do not join the WA, and any resolution which affects a region, for any given reason is violation of the rules. It gives the NS Mods power to mould regions after their own liking. C&C resolutions are intending to affect regions, thus enforcing a stupid symbol upon the region's WFE. The whole SC crap must go!

[Gobbannium]

It says explicit in the FAQ section that WA resolutions affect only WA nations. It's voluntarily to join the WA. Regions do not join the WA, and any resolution which affects a region, for any given reason is violation of the rules. It gives the NS Mods power to mould regions after their own liking. C&C resolutions are intending to affect regions, thus enforcing a stupid symbol upon the region's WFE. The whole SC crap must go!

While I personally despise the whole SC stuff, all that this shows is that the FAQ needs a minor correction. What it says is correct for resolutions in the General Council, which was all it was written to cover.

[Kalibarr]

I think the SC needs more guidance,but the standard response from the Mods/Admins is "It's up to WA nations to decide,what deserves a Condemn/Commend".

[Cinistra]

A proper SC is elected. Here it is "Mod rule", as every WA nation can vote, as in the case of the GA. I have hard distinguishing the difference

[Sedgistan]

The difference is in what they deal with, they don't have to work in different ways in terms of passing resolutions.

[Krioval]

You should always use condoms when engaging in sexual activity if there is a concern over contracting an STD or causing a pregnancy.
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Oh. Condemns. Huh.

[Unibot]

You should always use condoms when engaging in sexual activity if there is a concern over contracting an STD or causing a pregnancy.
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Oh. Condemns. Huh.

Well, someone had to force a condom on those freewheeling nazis !