Draft: Repeal "Liberate Feudal Japan"

[Martyrdoom]

Liberations were never about defenders - they were about natives.

Exactly, which is why I said the natives shouldn't just get a free boost from the WA and not incur some sort of penalty for it. This is, after all, a game, not a humanitarian agency. If natives had the absolute "right" to govern their own regions without any threat from raiders, then defender armies wouldn't even be necessary.

Also, Liberations "were"? Past tense? Does that mean this is the last Liberation? God, let's hope so.

Absolutely right.

[Sedgistan]

Well if Salford and the other griefers stop trying to destroy regions then yes, it will be the last one.

[Havensky]

Liberations were never about defenders - they were about natives.

Exactly, which is why I said the natives shouldn't just get a free boost from the WA and not incur some sort of penalty for it. This is, after all, a game, not a humanitarian agency. If natives had the absolute "right" to govern their own regions without any threat from raiders, then defender armies wouldn't even be necessary.

Also, Liberations "were"? Past tense? Does that mean this is the last Liberation? God, let's hope so.

Liberations arn't easy, It still takes a lot of effort and manpower to do it.

But, If you took out the issue of the effiency of the way we do liberations... Would you support the idea that the region in question should be granted the ability to protect their region, on their own, with a password?

[Martyrdoom]

Well if Salford and the other griefers stop trying to destroy regions then yes, it will be the last one.

Salford does not destroy regions, we create them. Seriously though, we're not into the 'nuclear-wasteland' scenario, we want re-founding and an open region. You may not approve of that but it is different to 'destroying regions'.

[Sedgistan]

Well if Salford and the other griefers stop trying to destroy regions then yes, it will be the last one.

Salford does not destroy regions, we create them. Seriously though, we're not into the 'nuclear-wasteland' scenario, we want re-founding and an open region. You may not approve of that but it is different to 'destroying regions'.

*looks at The Sphere of Peace n Harmony *

Would Marcuslandia agree with that? Actually, it'd probably be pretty hard to get an opinion from him, since he seems to have been driven out of the game by your lot. But who cares? "Feels great to be in Salford. We're such a bunch of winners."

[Martyrdoom]

Well if Salford and the other griefers stop trying to destroy regions then yes, it will be the last one.

Salford does not destroy regions, we create them. Seriously though, we're not into the 'nuclear-wasteland' scenario, we want re-founding and an open region. You may not approve of that but it is different to 'destroying regions'.

*looks at The Sphere of Peace n Harmony *

Would Marcuslandia agree with that? Actually, it'd probably be pretty hard to get an opinion from him, since he seems to have been driven out of the game by your lot. But who cares? "Feels great to be in Salford. We're such a bunch of winners."

I see the sphere is password-free however. The comment "Feels great to be in Salford. We're such a bunch of winners" is not preventing anyone making the sphere their home too. Irwellia will be proud you've put her (post-)irony up on here.

[Unibot]

Repeal "Liberate Feudal Japan"
A proposal to retire a previously passed Liberation resolution.

Statements captured by Security Council Resolution #6: Liberate Feudal Japan (Category: Liberation) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

RECOGNISING Feudal Japan, a formerly sizeable and active region prior to its invasion in November 2007, has been restored to the recognized heirs of its founder, as anticipated by the passage of said Liberation resolution;

Might I offer a different way to word it...

RECALLS the 'former residents of Feudal Japan' that were mentioned in SC#6 "Liberate Feudal Japan" to have taken refuge in Tokugawa Japan;

RECOGNIZING that since Feudal Japan's liberation by the World Assembly, those former residents have had the opportunity to resettle in their once active, and sizable region due to the successful efforts of a defender coalition between the FRA, TITO, Equilism, Texas, Europeia, 00000 A World Power, Yggdrasil, The United Kingdom, Crusaders of Justice, Liberty Alliance, Antarctica, and the Royal Federation of Nations;

NOTING the defender coalition accomplished this reclamation by neutralizing the act of invasion perpetrated by Catlandatopia, Fox Rite, The Cathedral, and Blades of Conquest upon the region Feudal Japan as it was cited in the resolution;

UNDERSTANDING while the region remains in contention between these opposing forces and under the threat of repeat invasion and assault, there is risk of disruption to the reclamation activities of the neutral residents of Feudal Japan as they rebuild their shattered community, as well as imposition to its desire for removing itself as a battleground so it may exist in peace;

Fine. A little wordy. But fine.

FURTHER recognizing that the constructive act of rebuilding this region will swiftly contradict the Liberation resolution's statement that "current occupiers have left the region to rot and degrade into a mockery of its former self", which referred to its status post-invasion, pre-reclamation;

Yah, someone quoted my line!

This could use a little bit better wording, the intention is a good thought though... how about this?

REFLECTING on Feudal Japan in its status post-invasion, pre-reclamation which was described by the original resolution text as left "to rot and degrade into a mockery of its former self" by its occupiers;

ENVISIONING a future for the said region that is full of community activity, peacefulness and most importantly, security.

I tried to word the "ENVISIONING" clause so it would be legal, but it might not be, because it could be considered a second function that the voter has to agree upon -- and not just the repeal.

AWARE that the only hope for true peace and security being restored to this founderless region and for defusing uneasy standoff amongst the international community is by way of removing this "bone of contention" from the international stage, which requires restoring the region's ability for password protection as defence against future aggressors;

HEREBY retires Security Council Resolution #6 "Liberate Feudal Japan".

Retire this baby!

[Havensky]

I like the changes

- but the Knights of Zion already submitted it

[Danielturner]

Unfortunately, I as an SC Representative of my nation, hold the stance that proposals in the Liberation category should not be repealed for any reason. Therefore, I must oppose it.

Yours,

[Sedgistan]

Have you got a justification for that point of view, or did you just want to post in every topic in this forum?

[Krioval]

Again, I'm willing to repeal the liberation if the natives of FJ (such as anybody can tell) are willing to abstain from bringing their regional affairs to the SC in the future. Otherwise, there's going to be an endless parade of crap liberations/repeals involving other regions even if FJ doesn't have problems. The SC should be very carefully considering matters independently of what individual regions want for the same reason the GA should do so - the WA should not be beholden to any particular national or regional agenda.

[Sedgistan]

The natives of Feudal Japan wish to re-found their region. This requires the resolution to be repealed, so that they can install a password (necessary for a secure re-founding). Once the region is re-founded, it'll have no need for WA assistance again.

[Minyos]

I'm taking your word for it Sedge, so endorsed as per request from your TG. 10 hours, 2 to go.

[EDIT: Well, there was 2 to go, now 4. So, two people have de-endorsed. I did read the thread a couple of days ago, so I wasn't unaware of the iss-yews.]

[Martyrdoom]

The natives of Feudal Japan wish to re-found their region. This requires the resolution to be repealed, so that they can install a password (necessary for a secure re-founding). Once the region is re-founded, it'll have no need for WA assistance again.

So the SC should be willing to say, in effect, 'your wish is my command' to the "natives"'? I've a few regions I'd like to re-found while we're at it. I won't bother the WA again, I swears.

[Topid]

Congratz on reaching Quorum!

Now, how are you going to deal with the huge part of the WA who will vote against allowing passwords no matter what? I still don't see how it's worth the time when we all know it's going to fail, unless the big delegates hit really early.

[Havensky]

Visibility will help I'm sure. As shown in other legislation of this nature, the community supports the natives over the invaders.

I do understand the complaint about needing 2 resolutions to do this, but until we're given something better - this is what we're stuck with doing.

[Inflatable Gandalfs]

As this thread was initially started to discuss CR's draft, which was never submitted, I might suggest locking this thread and starting a new one for the quorate version.

[Danielturner]

Have you got a justification for that point of view, or did you just want to post in every topic in this forum?

Where do you base this? I oppose this because I disagree with it. It is not up to you to decide my motives.

[Sedgistan]

What do you mean, where do I base this? You gave your view, but didn't back it up. At least make some attempt at debate. If all you want to do is state whether you're for/against something, you might as well stick to voting. I'm not trying to 'decide your motives', I want to know what they are.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honoured ambassadors,

This resolution shall be declared open for voting.

From our point of view, we feel that it is important to respect the wishes of native regions and follow their wishes. In this case it appears that Feudal Japan would like to start anew and therefore would require the repeal of this draft because those who oppose it can still enter the region with an unbanned territory.

Yours etc,