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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:03 pm

Winner12345 wrote:So if I put my countrys name instead of my is it fine


Can't do that either. Just go with what I recommended above^
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:11 pm

Winner12345 wrote:THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user freindly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spamming

THE Region now is quickly losing long time members. After the string of the amount of countrys in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current amount of 236.

BY condemning this region it will be better run and less corrupt.

THE WA Security Council Hereby condems Capitalist Paradise.

Edited now can it go forward
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Postby Paper Flowers » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:15 pm

Winner12345 wrote:THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user freindlyfriendly.

THE WA Security Council Hereby condemscondemns Capitalist Paradise.
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:32 pm

Winner12345 wrote:THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user freindly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spamming

THE Region now is quickly losing long time members. After a string of bans in Capitalist Paradise countrys, in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current amount of 236.

BY condemning this region it will be better run and less corrupt.

THE WA Security Council Hereby condems Capitalist Paradise.

I think its ready but im not sure about the wording in spots.
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:08 pm

Winner12345 wrote:THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user friendly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spamming

THE Region now is quickly losing long time members. After a string of bans in Capitalist Paradise countrys, in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current amount of 236.

BY condemning this region it will be better run and less corrupt.

THE WA Security Council Hereby condemns Capitalist Paradise.

If its ready tell me,I want to propose it.I need this bill to get Passed now!!!!
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Postby Socialist Ecuador » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:17 pm

Errr... are you trying to condemn a region for getting raided? That's the reason behind those banjections. No need to condemn the legit natives,
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:21 pm

Is it legal though.Im fine with condemning them to
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:11 pm

Sigh...I don't think you fully understand what a condemnation, or any condemnation at all, frankly, is intended to do.

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Postby Dagguerro » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:19 pm

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Ahem...allow me to try and spell this out.

When you commend or condemn a region ALL it does is put a badge on that region. Generally speaking this is so people know which regions are thought of well and which are not since outside of that they don't really do anything. Perhaps think of them as badges of fame/infamy respectively? Might be the simplest way to describe it.

From what I've seen in this thread what appears to have happened is your region was raided. That is to say a raider group came in, seizes your delegate position and started kicking out native members of the region to harrass them effectively. It's a kind of "war" thing.

It is unfortunate, but it happens. You condemning the region will NOT change what happened and unless the raid has been called off by now will do NOTHING to save the region from being 'badly run and corrupt' as you seem to imply. Which isn't strictly true because it wasn't being run like that...it was being raided.


Honestly I don't think you have a hope in hell. But in the spirit of fairness I'd point out that your current draft as it stands is very, very poorly worded. You seriously need to rework it and look back at previous condemnations to get an idea of how they should be written.

Also trying to rush through a proposal NEVER ends well. The only things which are ever rushed are emergency liberations in an attempt to stop raids from cleaning out a region completely.


And on a final note. Saying stuff like this:
IS it ready?I blame all of you if its wrong

And this:
Im fine with condemning them to


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Postby Winner12345 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:51 am

For one just answer my question is it legal and will it or wont it get pulled from the WA
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Postby Ossitania » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:03 am

Winner12345 wrote:For one just answer my question is it legal and will it or wont it get pulled from the WA


It's probably not illegal but if you submit it, you certainly won't be living up to your nation's name.
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:08 am

I move we eject Winner1234 from the WA immediately...
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Postby Ossitania » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:33 am

Phonencia wrote:I move we eject Winner1234 from the WA immediately...


If we ejected everyone who proposed something stupid in the WA, we wouldn't have anyone left but Flibble.
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:04 am

Ossitania wrote:
Phonencia wrote:I move we eject Winner1234 from the WA immediately...


If we ejected everyone who proposed something stupid in the WA, we wouldn't have anyone left but Flibble.


let the inquisition/purges begin...
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Postby Sucrati » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:24 am

As a resident of Capitalist Paradise and a former WA Member, I have this to say:

This supposed Condemnation of my region for actions it could not or would not have committed with the actual administration in power is a farce in my opinion. Being banned from a region is not qualifying material to issue a condemnation. Especially if the region was recently raided and the WA delegate picked by the raiders, who did not represent Capitalist Paradise as a whole, ejected and banned anyone who opposed him/her. Once the raid was completed and the raiders left our borders peacefully, Capitalist Paradise once again reinstated the old administration and allowed former banned nations back in with open arms.

Even if I wasn't in Capitalist Paradise, taking actions against them for simply being 'banned' but nothing else is a pretty sorry excuse to create this piece of legislation designed to ward off people from joining regions.

If I was still allowed in the WA, regardless of affiliation with the Capitalist Paradise, I would vote against this proposal.

Your proposal is equivalent to someone losing their sovereignty and then not condemning the invaders, but the actual victims themselves.

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Postby Crazy girl » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:44 pm

Still has a few rule 4 violations sitting there.

That's the modly comment.

As a player, I'd say I'm not sure why you are condemning the region, how this is supposed to help them?
And the proposal needs a lot more to have a shot at getting passed.

Usually you condemn a region because the region (as a whole) did something evil, or rather, has a history of evil deeds.

I'm not seeing that in this situation.

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Postby Fratt Armed Forces » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:52 pm

Winner12345 wrote:IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.


Longtime members have been banned, but that happened when the region was controlled by a foreign occupation force (and they since have returned).
If you are referring to the bans which take place after Ad Vitam Adsum took the delegacy back, it seems they all have to do with members of the above mentioned occupation force.

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Postby Socialist Ecuador » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:27 pm

Fratt Armed Forces wrote:
Winner12345 wrote:IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.


Longtime members have been banned, but that happened when the region was controlled by a foreign occupation force (and they since have returned).
If you are referring to the bans which take place after Ad Vitam Adsum took the delegacy back, it seems they all have to do with members of the above mentioned occupation force.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:26 am

No, using your nation name won't do anything to help it, especially since you keep referring to spam.
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Postby Phonencia » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:35 pm

I take back every bad thing I've ever thought about mods...thank you guys for removing that God-awful pic...*shudders* I may never recover though...
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Postby New Heathera » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:04 pm

Winner12345 wrote:[proposal=]THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user freindly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spammimg.

The region now is quickly losing other long time members.After a long string of bans in Capitalist Paradise,nations in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current number of 237.

THE WA Security Council hereby condems Capitalist Paradse.[/proposal].


Wait, you want to condemn a region for losing members and having a strict delegate? Setting aside any illegal aspects of this proposal, there aren't really any good points the proposal makes.

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Postby Chernobyl Territory » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:13 pm

Winner12345 wrote:
Winner12345 wrote:THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user friendly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spamming

THE Region now is quickly losing long time members. After a string of bans in Capitalist Paradise countrys, in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current amount of 236.

BY condemning this region it will be better run and less corrupt.

THE WA Security Council Hereby condemns Capitalist Paradise.

If its ready tell me,I want to propose it.I need this bill to get Passed now!!!!


This really isn't what a condemnation of a region is for, your proposal goes far beyond the SC's powers (better run and less corrupt) .In reality, all it does is put a badge on the region or nation. It sounds like you are trying to condemn the delegate rather than the region itself. You might want to change your wording around as well, it isn't worded too well.
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Postby Super-Llamaland » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:25 pm

Winner12345 wrote:[proposal=]THE region of Capitalist Paradise was a great region with many freedoms.

THIS region was flourishing fast and quick with many potential future leaders.

IT`S leader then began to ban members that had been long time members.

THESE long time members where attempting to make the region less corrupt and more user freindly.

THE regions delegate managed to convince people wrongly that a nation attempting to become WA Delegate was spammimg.

The region now is quickly losing other long time members.After a long string of bans in Capitalist Paradise,nations in this region shrunk from 301 nations to the current number of 237.

THE WA Security Council hereby condems Capitalist Paradse.[/proposal].


So, you condemn a region that just got raided.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:33 pm

I'm not entirely sure how reviving a thread after several weeks of inactivity is smart, but unfortunately that question will have to go unanswered, since I'm locking this thread.

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