Condemn DEN Central Command

[The Burning Hells]

Since there isn't a thread on the existing proposal, let's discuss it.

Now, given that the DEN CC delagate controling Catholic at the moment has approved the proposal, let me point out something - most raiders, for reasons I don't understand, see Condemns as a badge of honor. Condeming DEN Central Command is absolutely NOT going to convince them to stop raiding. If you really want to mess with Raiders, Commend them. But Condeming Raiders when they feel it to be a badge of honor is not going to discourage them. Condemns are supposed to be marks of shame. Raiders have turned the system into a mockery by taking pride in Condemns.

Furthermore, the proposal at hand is poorly written, and lacks specifics. I'm a raider (as my flag can attest), and don't like general anti-raider language (understandable.) Specifics - and specifically true griefing, like the mass ejection of natives or the destruction of regions, or even at least citing specific raids...do we really want such a terribly written proposal to go forward? At least put some effort into it, people.

I, personally, am not a Raider who would invite Condemnation, or see it as a badge of honor (and I think those raiders that do aren't helping), but I also think that logic in this case should dictate. Its a poorly written resolution and won't stop DEN at all, and will essentially be giving them 'street cred'

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[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Er...ok? DId you have a different proposal to offer up, or is this just a thread to complain about the current proposal?

[Ballotonia]

Proposal in question:

Appalled by the sudden and swift invasion of Catholic

Disgusted by DEN ‘s invasion of regions world wide

Hoping to curtail the practice of raiding

Discouraging DEN’s long practice of invading peaceful regions

Hereby condemns DEN Central Command due to its practice of raiding peaceful regions for no apparent reason.

Condemning an invader region for invading. How silly.

Ballotonia

[Cinistra]

Proposal in question:

Appalled by the sudden and swift invasion of Catholic

Disgusted by DEN ‘s invasion of regions world wide

Hoping to curtail the practice of raiding

Discouraging DEN’s long practice of invading peaceful regions

Hereby condemns DEN Central Command due to its practice of raiding peaceful regions for no apparent reason.

Condemning an invader region for invading. How silly.

Ballotonia

It is not against the rules to act silly on the NS. By any means try, and see how far you can get. You'll probably will have an easy ride convincing all those cry babies who hates raiders to support your proposal.

[Drop Your Pants]

I don't know of many "cry babies" in NS, care to point some out?

[SunRawr]

I don't know of many "cry babies" in NS, care to point some out?

I'll send you a tg on this subject when I get home.

[Drop Your Pants]

I can't wait *gets his fluffy blanket and stuffed giraffe*

[Tim-Opolis]

I don't know of many "cry babies" in NS, care to point some out?

I'll send you a tg on this subject when I get home.

Can I have a copy

[Alekoslav]

Wouldn't support this as I see nothing bad in them except raiding and that's part of this game (read FAQ). Not a raider myself, but wouldn't see nothing bad in it either since it adds more fun to the gameplay and encourages regions to establish militaries to repel raiding attempts.

[Of crazed]

What is the point of the Condemn part of the security council if the argument is that it will only encourage more bad acts? I don't read a lot of SC threads, but does this argument get brought up in every Condemn thread or only raider ones?

The DEN has been raiding for 8 years, I don't think we are going to change our pattern much based on WA wagging their finger OR the WA validating us.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

What is the point of the Condemn part of the security council if the argument is that it will only encourage more bad acts? I don't read a lot of SC threads, but does this argument get brought up in every Condemn thread or only raider ones?

The DEN has been raiding for 8 years, I don't think we are going to change our pattern much based on WA wagging their finger OR the WA validating us.

Not even that, it's just every now and then a rather...unpolished draft comes in from an inexperienced author who believes the SC can actually force a nation/region to do/stop doing something. It's more symbolic than anything, but many nations don't know that.

[Fischistan]

What is the point of the Condemn part of the security council if the argument is that it will only encourage more bad acts? I don't read a lot of SC threads, but does this argument get brought up in every Condemn thread or only raider ones?

The DEN has been raiding for 8 years, I don't think we are going to change our pattern much based on WA wagging their finger OR the WA validating us.

Not even that, it's just every now and then a rather...unpolished draft comes in from an inexperienced author who believes the SC can actually force a nation/region to do/stop doing something. It's more symbolic than anything, but many nations don't know that.

To add to that, all Condemns are supposed to do is 'express shock and dismay'. Nothing more. They aren't intended to try to stop the culprit, to discourage these actions, or affect that nation at all besides a small badge on their nation page. All they are supposed to do is say that the WA doesn't like them. Nothing more.

[Cinistra]

Not even that, it's just every now and then a rather...unpolished draft comes in from an inexperienced author who believes the SC can actually force a nation/region to do/stop doing something. It's more symbolic than anything, but many nations don't know that.

To add to that, all Condemns are supposed to do is 'express shock and dismay'. Nothing more. They aren't intended to try to stop the culprit, to discourage these actions, or affect that nation at all besides a small badge on their nation page. All they are supposed to do is say that the WA doesn't like them. Nothing more.

I am neither shocked nor dismayed by DEN's raids.

[Fischistan]

To add to that, all Condemns are supposed to do is 'express shock and dismay'. Nothing more. They aren't intended to try to stop the culprit, to discourage these actions, or affect that nation at all besides a small badge on their nation page. All they are supposed to do is say that the WA doesn't like them. Nothing more.

I am neither shocked nor dismayed by DEN's raids.

But 16000 other WA members might.

[Alekoslav]

On the other thought, if a raider nation is condemned it is like they achieved what they've been working on by raiding. Most raiders want to spread fear to regions as well as shock. If raiders are condemned then that just means they are already popular enough and should be feared.

[Drop Your Pants]

Hence why TBH and LWU have them, they're just more active than DEN

[Tim-Opolis]

Hence why TBH and LWU have them, they're just more active than DEN

*sees mention of Condemn LWU... smiles*

DEN needs to become more active.... They should have kicked some natives in Catholic... banning natives always riles up the SC

[SunRawr]

Hence why TBH and LWU have them, they're just more active than DEN

*sees mention of Condemn LWU... smiles*

DEN needs to become more active.... They should have kicked some natives in Catholic... banning natives always riles up the SC

You missed my fireworks?

[Tim-Opolis]

*sees mention of Condemn LWU... smiles*

DEN needs to become more active.... They should have kicked some natives in Catholic... banning natives always riles up the SC

You missed my fireworks?

I guess so
Do we have screenshotz?

[Devoted Decons]

He kicked 4 (or was it 5?) natives as his parting shot. I saw it, Rawr.

[SunRawr]

He kicked 4 (or was it 5?) natives as his parting shot. I saw it, Rawr.

I think it was 5, plus one who moved in a little later.

[Devoted Decons]

I stand corrected. It was 7 nations. You can see it still on Amen Ra's profile.

[Tim-Opolis]

YAY RAWR

You're getting to catching up to my heinous deeds. Next time I expect to see more around 35 kicked

[Cinistra]

I stand corrected. It was 7 nations. You can see it still on Amen Ra's profile.

Residents or fendas?

[Campinia]

Natives.