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Sichuan Pepper
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:31 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:
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Edit: Because auto correction kept altering words, which is really annoying when it changes there to their, and so forth. So I apologize for this in advance, also Kain gave me this http://i.imgur.com/QCedI.png, which is the reason for the sixth edit, don't ask how it took six edits...computer trouble.


That looks like a defacement of our flag and I will be requesting Mods look at it via a GHR.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:41 pm

Sichuan Pepper wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:
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Edit: Because auto correction kept altering words, which is really annoying when it changes there to their, and so forth. So I apologize for this in advance, also Kain gave me this http://i.imgur.com/QCedI.png, which is the reason for the sixth edit, don't ask how it took six edits...computer trouble.


That looks like a defacement of our flag and I will be requesting Mods look at it via a GHR.

Its not a flag, nor does it meet the size requirements for one neither Kain or I have used this as a flag, nor have we posted this graphic save on the Osiris forum, if we had known this graphic was in breach of any rules it wouldnt have been posted. Though it was never meant to be a defacement, but an illustration of the fact TITO is not wanted in Osiris. If you had objections you could have asked me to remove it, you did not do so.

At first I felt neutral on this resolution, but after your statements here I think you are now using the mods to grieve and harass me rather than have a sensible debate, if moderators decide on the issue I would ask them to take your organizations hostility towards me into account. This is just nasty, and underhand that you are ousing the mods to get to me.
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Olympiatus
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Postby Olympiatus » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:51 pm

That does not look like a defacement of any kind, mind you. It looks more like a protest sign and it's not defacing the flag at all. All it says is "TITO Go Home!" in front of a stretched out version of the XKI flag. Why make a big deal about it?
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Sichuan Pepper
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:09 am

Olympiatus wrote:That does not look like a defacement of any kind, mind you. It looks more like a protest sign and it's not defacing the flag at all. All it says is "TITO Go Home!" in front of a stretched out version of the XKI flag. Why make a big deal about it?


Note the bolded part above.
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Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.

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Postby Olympiatus » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:12 am

...and your point is? Not everyone knows how to resize images dear....
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Sichuan Pepper
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:17 am

By your reasoning it is ok to take a regions flag and write all over it?
It is our regions flag....stretched out with text over it. It has been defaced. It has been put in the hands of the mods and I am not arguing further.
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Postby Olympiatus » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:19 am

Alright then, let the mods have at it but when you're wrong on your judgement guess who gets the last laugh? New Rogernomics does, and I side with him on this one.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:59 am

Debate the proposal please, not that flag.

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Postby Fratt Armed Forces » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:59 am

Welcome to Anarchy!

We are pleased to announce that Anarchy is now under the control of Lone Wolves United, we thank TITO for stopping by earlier and giving us a show, its a shame they couldn't stay. Special shout out to DEN, The Black Hawks, The New Inquisition, and The Black Riders for their support.


Surprise, surprise :roll:
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Ginet
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Postby Ginet » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:49 am

Evil Wolf wrote:Nah, you're created into a feeder, therefore every nation is a native in the feeder they are born into. However, no nations are created into a sinker, they are moved there, so I guess no one is a native in Lazarus. We should rise up against the DYP dictatorship :P


What about nations that are reborn into a sinker? :p

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Postby Neutricland » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:15 am

FOR

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Postby Imperial 2 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:17 am

Fratt Armed Forces wrote:
Welcome to Anarchy!

We are pleased to announce that Anarchy is now under the control of Lone Wolves United, we thank TITO for stopping by earlier and giving us a show, its a shame they couldn't stay. Special shout out to DEN, The Black Hawks, The New Inquisition, and The Black Riders for their support.


Surprise, surprise :roll:


Tito is too busy pissing people off, sticking their self-important, attention-seeking heads into somebody elses business, that when a region needs defending, surprise! Surprise! they're not there.

If you want to be defenders, kindly leave us alone and defend, like you're supposed to be doing.

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Fratt Armed Forces
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Postby Fratt Armed Forces » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:31 am

:eyebrow:

TITO was in Anarchy and banjected Marxist Rebel.
Then Seeya cleared the banlist and allowed him to return, as I already mentioned.
The 'surprise' is that 10KI was being condemned on the grounds of 'ejecting the long-term native [Marxist Rebel]', when they were actually defending the region from LWU.

I suggest you take a closer look at facts, and you might find what's true and what's a lie.
One by one, the arguments in favour of this resolution are collapsing ;)
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Postby Tikal Wolf » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:18 am

Fratt Armed Forces wrote::eyebrow:

TITO was in Anarchy and banjected Marxist Rebel.
Then Seeya cleared the banlist and allowed him to return, as I already mentioned.
The 'surprise' is that 10KI was being condemned on the grounds of 'ejecting the long-term native [Marxist Rebel]', when they were actually defending the region from LWU.

I suggest you take a closer look at facts, and you might find what's true and what's a lie.
One by one, the arguments in favour of this resolution are collapsing ;)


Ah, but you didn't really know Marxist Rebel was a sleeper; know why? Because he was there, involved in the region, for months. He IS a native, and you jumped your gun. You got intel from a rejected troll, and bought it. Shame on you.

I would have laughed much more if Marxist Rebel didn't even claim the raid now, and you went "Oh, we done goofed now".


All in all, your claims that someone is a sleeper, and your interference with the politics without being asked show how defences are flawed, and effectively undemocratic king-making decisions.
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Postby Ananke II » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:27 am

Tikal Wolf wrote:Ah, but you didn't really know Marxist Rebel was a sleeper; know why? Because he was there, involved in the region, for months. He IS a native, and you jumped your gun. You got intel from a rejected troll, and bought it. Shame on you.

I would have laughed much more if Marxist Rebel didn't even claim the raid now, and you went "Oh, we done goofed now".


All in all, your claims that someone is a sleeper, and your interference with the politics without being asked show how defences are flawed, and effectively undemocratic king-making decisions.

Ah, no. What it shows is that the TITO high brass are pretty good at ferreting out raider sleepers. Unfortunately we can't always protect a region from themselves.

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Fratt Armed Forces
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Postby Fratt Armed Forces » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:00 am

Tikal Wolf wrote:All in all, your claims that someone is a sleeper, and your interference with the politics without being asked show how defences are flawed, and effectively undemocratic king-making decisions.


Defences aren't arbitrary actions.
And a sleeper doesn't have the exact same behaviour of a native.

Before defenders deployed
- there were nations moving in Anarchy just to endorse MR;
- you don't get that many endorsements in, uhm, a month (referring to when MR first got close to overtaking Seeya);
After defenders deployed and eject MR
- an ejected native doesn't endosurf.

Add to that that LWU had a surprisingly low number of WAs deployed in TPC (EW wasn't even there -_-), which meant that there was raider activity somewhere else and in a target large enough to justify neglecting to support Unknown in a region as important as TPC (and it's not like there are that many).

Meh on the idea that defending is 'interfering in politics without being asked' (that would make it the same thing of raiding :roll:).
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Postby Evil Wolf » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:10 am

Ananke II wrote:All in all, your claims that someone is a sleeper, and your interference with the politics without being asked show how defences are flawed, and effectively undemocratic king-making decisions.


*laughs* TITO? Oh, that's a good one. You guys didn't spot that at all, the UDL did and told you about it. You jokers were suppose to come in closer to update but jumped the gun and came in way before hand. Then, after UDL arrived, TITO told them to bugger off and that it was XKI's operation and UDL had no right being there.

TITO's selfishness in demanding that UDL stay out of their own operation that they invited TITO to just made everything easier in the long run. Defender Unity indeed.
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Fratt Armed Forces
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Postby Fratt Armed Forces » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:34 am

Hehe. Good point, Wolfie :P

Nice to see you are all that informed about the events, though >_>
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Evil Wolf
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Postby Evil Wolf » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:46 am

It pays to know what the other side is up to, Fratt ;)
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Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
Crazy Girl wrote:Invading was never illegal
[violet] wrote:There is supposed to be an invasion game.

Mallorea and Riva should be a Game Moderator Game Administrator.

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Hesse
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Postby Hesse » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:16 am

Against.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:06 pm

I am now for.
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:59 pm

The final posted draft has been submitted.

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Postby Horak » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:35 pm

I am against because the 10KI RMB always provides good conversation. :)
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Postby A mean old man » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:06 pm

Against.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby -_- » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:13 pm

in which the TITO operative Sichuan Pepper

The above is from the proposal.

op·er·a·tive/ˈäp(ə)ritiv/ || Noun: A worker, esp. a skilled one in a manufacturing industry.

Worker implies a single person, isn't that a rule four violation?

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