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NOTING that this proposal probably was not read by the people whom voted for it before they voted for it;

REALIZING that a region cannot be commended or condemned by an ideology;

ALSO REALIZING the Nazi ideology as one of hate;

YET ALSO REALIZING that the Nazis in said region are not like Nazis in real life;

BELIEVING that most people believe that the condemnation stickie is just a stickie;

ACKNOWLEDGING that it is only a stickie;

YET ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING that due to new law, regions cannot be commended or condemned by ideology;

NOTING that if this stickie is not removed, freedom of speech is defeated and ridiculed;

HOPING that the removal of the Condemnation of NAZI EUROPE will remove a "stickie" that the said region did not deserve.

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Condemn NAZI EUROPE."

What do you think?

What in the name of all the Gods is a "stickie"?

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Resident, the Rejected Realms

Goobergunchia wrote:What in the name of all the Gods is a "stickie"?

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Resident, the Rejected Realms

The big Condemnation stickie.

Does the ambassador from Omygodtheykilledkenny refer to the badges placed on the World Assembly's factsheets about the nations or regions condemned or commended?

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Nasicournian Officer

Goobergunchia wrote:Does the ambassador from Omygodtheykilledkenny refer to the badges placed on the World Assembly's factsheets about the nations or regions condemned or commended?

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Nasicournian Officer

I mean the Condemnation badge someone receives when they get condemned.

NOTING that this proposal probably was not read by the people whom voted for it before they voted for it;

While I agree with this, it will:
1) Make people angry, and will almost certainly get this bill shot down.
2) Discredit the WA and the SC. Anytime a body formally acknowledges that their voters aren't reading what they're voting on, it's really a disgrace. We are on our way to being the Democratic Congress of the USoA.

"Then perhaps your repeal would make more sense if you refered to it as such, otherwise your writing just looks rather juvenile and not worth commenting on much less voting for." The UnDelegate added in crisp, though not denigrating, tones

The Federation supports this repeal, as we did the previous one, yet are surprised it is submitted as soon as it is. We also do not like the word 'stickie' being used as the condemnation symbol is better called to as such, or as a badge. Also, we are not sure how the attack on the voters will go over with the voters who did read the proposal.

Omygodtheykilledkenny wrote: NOTING that this proposal probably was not read by the people whom voted for it before they voted for it;

any bets that most of the people that vote against this repeal wont read that very sentence?

Eh. You're free to lift parts of my repeal's text, if you want. This desperately needs it.

Amusing though it is that you assume a repeal "desperately" needs your wisdom to stand any chance of passage, your repeal failed, so why would the author want to rehash unconvincing arguments?

The author is not me, by the way; just a fan. The mods don't see it as a case of impersonation, which under normal circumstances is illegal.

Inflatable Gandalfs wrote:Amusing though it is that you assume a repeal "desperately" needs your wisdom to stand any chance of passage, your repeal failed, so why would the author want to rehash unconvincing arguments?

Because "stickies" and "omg rules" aren't convincing arguments, either. I doubt any repeal is going to pass this soon, anyways.

This proposal will fail.
if it gets to a General vote, it will fail.

this REPEAL THE NAZI EUROPE THING OVER A FRICKIN TECHNECALITY thing will not go on forever becuase the ideaology ban on resolutions was passed after the NAZI EUROPE one was passed, therefore any attempts to call for its deletion will fall on deaf ears because you can't enforce the law retroactively.

Georgetpwn wrote:the ideaology ban on resolutions was passed after the NAZI EUROPE one was passed

orly?

Georgetpwn wrote:any attempts to call for its deletion will fall on deaf ears because you can't enforce the law retroactively.

No Game Mod or Game Admin has said that they won't delete it, as far as I know. But anyways, this is a repeal, not a deletion request.

Georgetpwn wrote:This proposal will fail.
if it gets to a General vote, it will fail.

this REPEAL THE NAZI EUROPE THING OVER A FRICKIN TECHNECALITY thing will not go on forever becuase the ideaology ban on resolutions was passed after the NAZI EUROPE one was passed, therefore any attempts to call for its deletion will fall on deaf ears because you can't enforce the law retroactively.

Actually that rule on ideological bans has been around longer than you have.

That having been said since the condemnation doesn't actually forbid naziism, just condemns it, it isn't a idealogical ban at all, and therefore the whole argument for this repeal is a house of cards.

Carbandia wrote:That having been said since the condemnation doesn't actually forbid naziism, just condemns it, it isn't a idealogical ban at all, and therefore the whole argument for this repeal is a house of cards.

Nazism is a form of politics. The way a region decided to play the political game, it shouldn't be one of condemnation. As my friend Tuore has stated,

Tuore wrote:This is a free world, and this ideology is just an ideology amongst other ideologies. As the rules say:
"Okay, so you hate capitalism. That's nice, but you can't ban it. Just like you can't ban communism, socialism, democracy, dictatorships, conservatives, liberals, Christians, atheist, or any other political, religious, or economic ideology.

Nasism is a political class, and you can't condemn politics.

Carbandia wrote:

Georgetpwn wrote:This proposal will fail.
if it gets to a General vote, it will fail.

this REPEAL THE NAZI EUROPE THING OVER A FRICKIN TECHNECALITY thing will not go on forever becuase the ideaology ban on resolutions was passed after the NAZI EUROPE one was passed, therefore any attempts to call for its deletion will fall on deaf ears because you can't enforce the law retroactively.

Actually that rule on ideological bans has been around longer than you have.

That having been said since the condemnation doesn't actually forbid naziism, just condemns it, it isn't a idealogical ban at all, and therefore the whole argument for this repeal is a house of cards.

that ban actually applied to GA resoultions, not SC until recently.

Regardless, it is a politic form. Any nay-saying of it is purely objectionary through personal opinion. It's condemnation isn't warranted.

Saying it is "hate" and "racist ideology" is biased on the events that happened during it's time, and are not grounds for the resulted condemnation on the NAZI EUROPE region.

We are for the repeal,but we cannot approve this proposal. The text degradate the value of a C&C, so hits every single C&C resolution, included the good ones.

Firstaria wrote:We are for the repeal,but we cannot approve this proposal. The text degradate the value of a C&C, so hits every single C&C resolution, included the good ones.

The degredation of the C&C happens when the WA enacts condemnations for illegitimate reasons. Biased beliefs that Nazism is just hate and racial discrimination are not worthy reasons to condemn a political movement. If you're for the repeal, you'd approve it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

Telemia wrote:

Firstaria wrote:We are for the repeal,but we cannot approve this proposal. The text degradate the value of a C&C, so hits every single C&C resolution, included the good ones.

The degredation of the C&C happens when the WA enacts condemnations for illegitimate reasons. Biased beliefs that Nazism is just hate and racial discrimination are not worthy reasons to condemn a political movement. If you're for the repeal, you'd approve it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

... No. Repealing a resolution with another bad resolution is pointless. Would you support a repeal that only says "Repeal this reszolution wroted by Nazi haterz!"? I think not... So if not, are you just wasting time?

Topid wrote:

Telemia wrote:

Firstaria wrote:We are for the repeal,but we cannot approve this proposal. The text degradate the value of a C&C, so hits every single C&C resolution, included the good ones.

The degredation of the C&C happens when the WA enacts condemnations for illegitimate reasons. Biased beliefs that Nazism is just hate and racial discrimination are not worthy reasons to condemn a political movement. If you're for the repeal, you'd approve it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

... No. Repealing a resolution with another bad resolution is pointless. Would you support a repeal that only says "Repeal this reszolution wroted by Nazi haterz!"? I think not... So if not, are you just wasting time?

I cannot say what the other repeals looked like, for I wasn't there to see them. But, if you looked at the one that I have written and proposed, its very professional. The very reason for condemning NAZI EUROPE in the first place was based on [constantly used] biased thinking by egomaniacal nations that sought only the negative in a political agenda.

If the nation that proposed and the nations that approved the original condemnation would bowdlerize the things they think they know based on rumors and hate propoganda put against this region, and let us conduct government the way we see fit as we do for them, then we'd all get past this verbal ridiculousness and beaurocratic nonsense that makes people feel warm and cozy in bed at night. Decondemn NAZI EUROPE and let it go, and every problem therein will dissipate.

Lets go OOC here for a second

If a legal act was committed in the real world and then it was made illegal, would it be okay for that prolonged now illegal act to be commited? no, sanctions would be introduced and illegal condemnations would be revoked.

Back in character...
So uh... is this proposal ever gonna be pulled out of the submitted queue and edited?
Doesn't look like it

oh well! *shines condemnation badge*
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY PINGU!