[draft] Condemn Durkadurkiranistan II again

[Flemingovia]

There are unresolved legality issues, and if you wish to pursue the proposal as written, I will need to consult the other mods first, because there's a strong possibility that it violates Rule 2.b.

I have held off for a week to give you time to consult the other mods.

Can you let me know the results of your consultation? (although I can probably guess....)

[Sedgistan]

Unfortunately, I didn't interpret you not posting for a week (and also ignoring my suggestion to put an updated version of the draft in your OP), as you showing evidence that you "wish[ed] to pursue the proposal as written". Therefore, no ruling has been made. If it is indeed your intention to pursue the proposal as written, please put a copy of the current draft in the first post of this thread and express your desire for a legality check, and we will consider it for Rule 2.b violations.

Alternatively, you could try adding additional information to the draft proposal, as has been suggested.

[Flemingovia]

I Stand by the draft that is already posted in the OP. Durk deserved condemnation on that basis. since the mods seem to share his delusion about the existence of the real world, and so will not allow reference to this, then his lack of contrition alone ought to be the cause of international vilification. Honestly, how can you even bear to look on his nation's page without feeling the bile rise in your throat and a shudder of revulsion chill your bones?

I look forward to a mod ruling telling me that I have broken rule 2b.

[Conservita Victoria]

I fail to see the point in furthering the condemnation of a nation that is already condemned and your newly edited version of his condemnation for support of a region that contains only two nations at this very moment in time seems frivolous and pointless.

Of course, I know little in any back history only truly taking interest of inter-regional politics after being elected to Imperial Legion Delegacy. If someone could point me to the relevant information I could potentially make a more informed point.

However, I see this condemnation as little more than a desire to further dig at old wounds after Durkadurkiranistan II refused to hand over power to the man who is proposing this legislation. The punishment that Durkadurkiranistan II experiences for not showing atonement for his actions is the continued upholding of his condemnation.

Is this legislation actually really needed?

[Flemingovia]

it is true that the main point of this condemnation was to highlight Durk's delusional belief in the real world - however, this has been declared illegal by the mods on the basis that to believe in the real world is, somehow, to make the real world real, in a really real way. It is sort of like the Peter Pan principle - if you believe in fairies hard enough, faries come to life.

However, I see this condemnation as little more than a desire to further dig at old wounds after Durkadurkiranistan II refused to hand over power to the man who is proposing this legislation. The punishment that Durkadurkiranistan II experiences for not showing atonement for his actions is the continued upholding of his condemnation.

I am disappointed that this motivation is being ascribed to this condemnation. In mitigation I would point out that this resolution was formulated using the Sedgistanian principle, where the condemnation is discussed in advance and set up between the proposer and the object of the condemnation. JAL (aka Durk) is a good friend of mine, and this is not digging up old wounds or sour grapes, it is a continuing roleplay of the game.

[Conservita Victoria]

JAL (aka Durk) is a good friend of mine, and this is not digging up old wounds or sour grapes, it is a continuing roleplay of the game.

I see. Makes more sense this would be RP orientated.

Although I still argue that this condemnation truly has no need to be brought forward as it condemns nothing new that I can tell.

[Flemingovia]

Not totally roleplay. He does stubbornly hold to the delusion that Montana is better than Yorkshire.

Silly boy.

[Conservita Victoria]

Well, I don't know about Montana personally except what the internet can tell me. However, I must say Yorkshire is rather better just because it is in England and England is the best

Holding onto the idea that Montana is better than Yorkshire doesn't necessarily warrant a condemnation, really?

[Flemingovia]

well, if someone can get a condemnation for turning a forum pink for a day, then anything is possible.

[Elke and Elba]

well, if someone can get a condemnation for turning a forum pink for a day, then anything is possible.

Well when things are created they could be destroyed. A good case against it would have it repealed.

[Sedgistan]

And here's the ruling:

The question was whether your proposal violated Rule 2.b:

(b) Don't duplicate. Nations that have already been Commended/Condemned for a certain set of actions can't be Commended or Condemned again for that set of actions.

The security council

Recalling that the Nation of Durkadurkiranistan II has proved to be one of the most duplicitous and underhand nations in the world – as evidenced by lies and blandishments during their rogue delegacy in The North Pacific in 2009.

Further recalling that when it became clear that the outrage of the nations of that region would bring this delegacy to a premature end this nation violently thrust over 600 innocent nations out of that region and into The Rejected Realms.

Noting that this action was condemned in SC#33.

HOWEVER, Noting since the passing of that Resolution the failure of Durkadurkiranistan II to show any remorse for these actions, nor to make any atonement for them.

Further Noting that since the passing of SC#33 the nation of Durkadurkiranistan II has continued to support a head of state who is clearly delusional and paranoid, for reasons that may not be mentioned here, but which can be discovered by the discerning nation which wishes to hunt a bit outside of the halls of this chamber, in the Security Council Discussion Forum

Hereby condemns Durkadurkiranistan II.

On examination of your proposal, we found the clauses in blue to duplicate the contents of SCR #33 Condemn Durkadurkiranistan II. While you may include a clause summarising what was said in the previous condemnation (as per the precedent set in SCR #37 Condemn NAZI EUROPE), your proposal stretches this over 4 clauses, which far outweighs the single clause containing a new reason for condemnation.

Verdict: as it stands, your proposal is illegal.

[Flemingovia]

Might I ask who constitutes the "we"? (by which I mean which mods were consulted. I understand that it is a collective verdict.)

However, I grudgingly accept the decision and withdraw the proposal.

[Sedgistan]

Might I ask who constitutes the "we"? (by which I mean which mods were consulted. I understand that it is a collective verdict.)

3 moderators familiar with the Security Council rules, one of which was myself.

[Flemingovia]

no names? is it a secret?

My guess is yourself, Crazy girl and Ardchoille. Do i win a goldfish?

[Mahaj WA Seat]

why is

HOWEVER, Noting since the passing of that Resolution the failure of Durkadurkiranistan II to show any remorse for these actions, nor to make any atonement for them.

a duplication? How?

[Sedgistan]

Because it's still based on the same actions. Otherwise, we could see an infinite number of condemnations of Durkadurkiranistan II, each one for failing to show remorse since the last one was passed.

[Sir Lans]

I am amazed to see people still hanging around to make these pointless C - C resolutions.

[A mean old man]

Hello there, and welcome to the World Assembly Security Council! This week's special: The TNP-usurper condemnation! If you can usurp the position of delegate of The North Pacific and eject 1000 or more of its idle residents, you could earn yourself a completely free condemnation and a bonus of over 5000 attention points! ...and, if you act quickly on this limited-time offer, you can get a second condemnation entirely free of charge! What are you waiting for? Let's usurp TNP today!

[Mahaj WA Seat]

Hello there, and welcome to the World Assembly Security Council! This week's special: The TNP-usurper condemnation! If you can usurp the position of delegate of The North Pacific and eject 1000 or more of its idle residents, you could earn yourself a completely free condemnation and a bonus of over 5000 attention points! ...and, if you act quickly on this limited-time offer, you can get a second condemnation entirely free of charge! What are you waiting for? Let's usurp TNP today!

Why not?

[Flemingovia]

Because better have tried and failed?

[Flemingovia]

VANILLA VERSION, AFTER LOADS OF EDITS:

Further clause added (in red here) in an attempt at rule 2b compliance.

[proposal=]The security council

Recalling that the Nation of Durkadurkiranistan II has proved to be one of the most duplicitous and underhand nations in the world – as evidenced by lies and blandishments during their rogue delegacy in The North Pacific in 2009.

Further recalling that when it became clear that the outrage of the nations of that region would bring this delegacy to a premature end this nation violently thrust over 600 innocent nations out of that region and into The Rejected Realms.

Noting that this action was condemned in SC#33.

HOWEVER, Noting since the passing of that Resolution the failure of Durkadurkiranistan II to show any remorse for these actions, nor to make any atonement for them.

FURTHER NOTING the neglect of Durkadurkiranistan of his duties as delegate of the region of The Imperial Legion, which led to the people rising up in revulsion and repacing him as delegate in a coup on 26 April 2011

Further Noting that since the passing of SC#33 the nation of Durkadurkiranistan II has continued to support a head of state who is clearly delusional and paranoid, for reasons that may not be mentioned here, but which can be discovered by the discerning nation which wishes to hunt a bit outside of the halls of this chamber, in the Security Council Discussion Forum

Hereby condemns Durkadurkiranistan II.[/proposal]

[Conservita Victoria]

FURTHER NOTING the neglect of Durkadurkiranistan of his duties as delegate of the region of The Imperial Legion, which led to the people rising up in revulsion and repacing him as delegate in a coup on 26 April 2011

One thing wrong with that. Plainly, Durk was not the delegate. I was the delegate and I was very active being the one who formed the Conservative Empire region due to my Emperor's inactivity and lack of telling us before going. Another point is that it was not a coup d'etat as such for we did not take over the Imperial Legion. Instead we made a new region out of infighting and the stubbornness of the few over ignoring the power that myself and two others had over the region to stop it falling apart.

Also, the Imperial Legion is a well known raider region therefore one would be glad that the Imperial Legion fell from grace with the Emperor's unannounced leave thus is this really suitable grounds for condemnation?

[Conservita Victoria]

Ignore my last post.

If you would add that Durk is the single most underhanded person in the world then I would let you continue and give you all the support that you will need.

[Flemingovia]

Not allowed to say that. Rule 4.

[Conservita Victoria]

NationStates world is what I meant.