Repeal Commend 10000 Islands

[Topid]

This thread is closed. And will hopefully be locked to prevent further useless discussion.

I don’t think the WASC should keep this resolution, I understand it had good intent, but the flaws are too many. And seeing as it is almost sure to pass now, I thought I’d start drafting.

I do think that Ten Thousand Islands should be commended for their achievements, and a resolution is being drafted here.

This proposal met quorum.

ACKNOWLEDGING the achievements of TITO and 10000 Islands,

BELIEVING that 10000 Islands deserves a commendation that recognizes their achievements in a clear and more intelligent way,

SHOCKED by the fact that the commendation gives no information that could not be learned from 10000 Islands' World Factbook Entry,

DETERMINED that Security Council resolutions should contain much more details about the nominee,

NOTING the various spelling, grammatical, and factual mistakes within the resolution,

CITING the misspelling of the word “functional” as an example of the mistakes in the resolution,

FURTHER NOTING that the last line of the commendation commends "10000 Island" instead of 10000 Islands,

The World Assembly hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #5, "Commend 10000 Islands".

[Firstaria]

I think it will be a good idea. Even i was thinking about reforming it, after finally got all the errors.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Repeals, like all resolutions, take up four days of queue time, and there are enough complaints as it is about them being a waste of time. And of course the replacement would take up four more days. "Just to run a spell-check" does not sound to me like compelling grounds for expending the time necessary to reforming a passed WA resolution.

[Topid]

Repeals, like all resolutions, take up four days of queue time, and there are enough complaints as it is about them being a waste of time. And of course the replacement would take up four more days. "Just to run a spell-check" does not sound to me like compelling grounds for expending the time necessary to reforming a passed WA resolution.

So, Kenny, if a General Assembly resolution passed that had bad spelling and grammar mistakes, you would rather leave it in the books than repeal it? I honestly don't think you would...

And I feel that being sure the World Assembly's resolutions at the very least are to be spelled correctly is worth 4 days.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

So, Kenny, if a General Assembly resolution passed that had bad spelling and grammar mistakes, you would rather leave it in the books than repeal it? I honestly don't think you would...

If the repeal were based solely on cosmetic issues like spelling and grammar, then yes, I would prefer to leave it until a more substantive argument could be produced. I never once supported a repeal of Cobdenia's resolutions, and his spelling was always atrocious.

[Topid]

So, Kenny, if a General Assembly resolution passed that had bad spelling and grammar mistakes, you would rather leave it in the books than repeal it? I honestly don't think you would...

If the repeal were based solely on cosmetic issues like spelling and grammar, then yes, I would prefer to leave it until a more substantive argument could be produced. I never once supported a repeal of Cobdenia's resolutions, and his spelling was always atrocious.

Then I suppose we disagree.

EDIT: And I suppose... I take back that litte comment hinting that you were biased...

[Unibot]

I don't know anything about 10000 Islands, so I'm probably not a good person to ask for advice on this repeal.

But that's my point, I read the resolution, and I still don't know much at all about 10000 Islands !?

Oh and there's the funny point that the Commendation actually commends a different region in the text then the one the proposal is technically commending. (10000 Island instead of 10000 Islands). Someone should start up a disgusting region with lots of vulgar (but not illegal !) puppets, and call it 10000 Island, that would provide enough of an argument for a repeal.

[Topid]

I don't know anything about 10000 Islands, so I'm probably not a good person to ask for advice on this repeal.

But that's my point, I read the resolution, and I still don't know much at all about 10000 Islands !?

Oh and there's the funny point that the Commendation actually commends a different region in the text then the one the proposal is technically commending. (10000 Island instead of 10000 Islands). Someone should start up a disgusting region with lots of vulgar (but not illegal !) puppets, and call it 10000 Island, that would provide enough of an argument for a repeal.

I almost did that when I first read the proposal, I wasn't going to be vulgar or anything... Just brag that I had been commended.

But, in all seriousness Uni is right that a different region in the text is commended.

EDIT: In fact, I think I should write that in, which was probably your point lol.

[Yeldan Puppet Army 11]

Someone should start up a disgusting region with lots of vulgar (but not illegal !) puppets, and call it 10000 Island, that would provide enough of an argument for a repeal.

Ask and Ye shall receive. You'll have to make the vulgar puppets yourself though.

[Delaclava]

Apart from the spelling and grammar errors, I don't see how 10000 Islands can get this commendation, based on the text of the resolution.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I am 100% in support of this repeal. Spelling and factual mistakes are inexcusable, especially when they're so abundant.

[Topid]

I am 100% in support of this repeal. Spelling and factual mistakes are inexcusable, especially when they're so abundant.

Thanks.

UPDATE: I have my two (and more) endos needed to submit, (had to abandon TSC for a while and move to a feeder). I plan to submit it Wed right after mid update. (Unless this thread gets a sudden surge in additions or something.)

UPDATE 2: I made a slight edit to add in a [b] and [u] tag, just to use the new tools.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Are you serious? An insta-repeal for the sake of correcting a few spelling errors? If we're going to start repealing/replacing all C&Cs with formatting problems, why don't we start with Todd McCloud's, which commend "players" instead of nations and condemn regions for the colors on their WFEs?

Overuse of an important game function like the repeal annoys voters and impedes the efforts of serious repeal authors to get their resolutions passed, as seen in the days of the United Nations.

[Ostronopolis]

I am vehemently opposed to such repeal. 10000 Islands has defended more regions in this game than nearly any other, they are by far deserving of this resolution.

[Urgench]

I must say that Kenny's logic is faultless on this one. Don't forget that each resolution the SC passes and/or repeals at the moment is one which sets a precedent. So is it more important to set the precedent that a an SC resolution can be repealed for its spelling errors or should we perhaps be setting other more important precedents which establish more fundamental rules about how SC resolutions should be used and what they are used for? By all means insta-repeal the commendation at vote but why not do so because its so thin and contains absolutely no information about the commendee whatsoever, or that it makes no serious argument to commend a region which may indeed deserve commendation but if one went purely on the wording of this commendation one would have no idea they had done anything worthwhile at all.

Use repeals wisely in this phase of the SC's development, they will help future resolution writers decide what is proper and acceptable material for a resolution, spellings are the least pressing of those conventions right now.

[Topid]

Are you serious? An insta-repeal for the sake of correcting a few spelling errors? If we're going to start repealing/replacing all C&Cs with formatting problems, why don't we start with Todd McCloud's, which commend "players" instead of nations and condemn regions for the colors on their WFEs?

It's not a matter of me wanting to repeal it instantly, it's a matter of this thread was going almost no where and waiting another few days seems pointless... (though if more helpful like Ugrench's keep coming I'll of course hold off until the drafting is complete)

Someone else IS drafting a repeal of the Macedon, though I don't plan to set my schedule based upon what he does... I mean what if he waits two weeks to submit?? Is there any point to me waiting to try get this over with? If you would like for him to go first maybe you should request it of him... (I also would like to point out that the Macedon Resolution was attempted to be repealed, and it failed to reach quorum... I understand it probably could go to vote if someone would campaign for it, but alas, I have yet to see any indication that someone is willing too, so would you have me wait forever?)

I don't know about a repeal of the Kandarin one... I don't know if it's been tried or not. But I'm guessing it was.

Unless I've not noticed there is some de facto rule about how long one should wait after the passing...

Overuse of an important game function like the repeal annoys voters and impedes the efforts of serious repeal authors to get their resolutions passed, as seen in the days of the United Nations.

Okay... well... when I think I've started overusing it I'll stop ASAP.

I am vehemently opposed to such repeal. 10000 Islands has defended more regions in this game than nearly any other, they are by far deserving of this resolution.

I think they are by far deserving a better resolution.

Let me make this clear: I am not arguing against TITO or 10000 Islands, I am arguing for higher standards within the SC.

I must say that Kenny's logic is faultless on this one. Don't forget that each resolution the SC passes and/or repeals at the moment is one which sets a precedent.

And for the love of Pete no one wants the precedent that you don't need to spell-check as it can pass anyway if it's for a defender region. Though I get your point... Keep reading....

So is it more important to set the precedent that a an SC resolution can be repealed for its spelling errors or should we perhaps be setting other more important precedents which establish more fundamental rules about how SC resolutions should be used and what they are used for? By all means insta-repeal the commendation at vote but why not do so because its so thin and contains absolutely no information about the commendee whatsoever, or that it makes no serious argument to commend a region which may indeed deserve commendation but if one went purely on the wording of this commendation one would have no idea they had done anything worthwhile at all.

That's what I meant by:
"BELIEVING that 10000 Islands deserves a commendation that recognizes their achievements in a clear and more intelligent way,"
Though I suppose I'll add a bit of detail there if you would like, when I first wrote it I thought that was clear, but now I see it would naturally be assumed I'm referring to the grammar and spelling. (As in I'll edit it as soon as I write up a bit)

Use repeals wisely in this phase of the SC's development, they will help future resolution writers decide what is proper and acceptable material for a resolution, spellings are the least pressing of those conventions right now.

That's arguable, but as I said above, I meant for a part of this repeal to involve the lack of detail, even if I didn't make that very clear. There isn't much of a need to only repeal something for one fault... I want to hit them all... I think I just focused on the grammar/spelling because it's easy to recognize. I am going to add a few more lines about this and shuffle things around. Stay tuned.

EDIT: OP updated with new draft. Thoughts? Better? Same? Worse?

[Cobdenia]

I'm suprised anyone can really give that much of a shit, to be honest. Not all players speak English as a first language, and to repeal purely on that basis is akin to laughing at funny foreigners. Or if he's not foreign, maybe he's just short and can't see the monitor when sitting down and typing. Or maybe he has learning difficulities? Maybe both? Quite frankly, repealling this could well be construed as taking the piss out of a potential dyslexic dwarf. And we all know why you should never take this piss out of a dyslexic dwarf - it's not big and it's not clever.

[Unibot]

FURTHER NOTING that the last line of the commendation commends "10000 Island" instead of 10000 Islands,

As of two days ago, I would use a [region] tag (10000 Island), to link "10000 Island" to the existing region, and talk about how terrible that hellhole is.

[Topid]

FURTHER NOTING that the last line of the commendation commends "10000 Island" instead of 10000 Islands,

As of two days ago, I would use a [region] tag (10000 Island), to link "10000 Island" to the existing region, and talk about how terrible that hellhole is.

I didn't know that region/nation tags worked!

And yes, I'll add that in.

EDIT: HAHAHA Yelda put blue and orange in the WFE of 10000 Island!
That was a good one.

[Topid]

Submitted moments ago. I'll be back to post when/if ( ) it makes make quorum...

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Okay... well... when I think I've started overusing it I'll stop ASAP.

For God's sake, we're already considering a Condemnation repeal that was submitted mere days after the original passed. Do you not see how constantly voting resolutions in then voting them out could become an annoyance to voters? Not to mention the base triviality of removing a previously awarded badge then giving them another one just because you don't like the author's spelling. That is sure to annoy some people as well. If this keeps up, people will start voting down repeals out of spite -- just as they did in the NSUN -- which, as I've already stated before, will make it much more difficult for authors of serious repeals to see success in the future.

[Bears Armed]

Not to mention the fact that, as things are currently set up, SC repeals are apparently being counted as -- and are consequently displacing -- GA proposals when the system chooses which of the quorate proposals should go to vote next...

[Firstaria]

FURTHER NOTING that the last line of the commendation commends "10000 Island" instead of 10000 Islands,

As of two days ago, I would use a [region] tag (10000 Island), to link "10000 Island" to the existing region, and talk about how terrible that hellhole is.

I didn't know that region/nation tags worked!

And yes, I'll add that in.

EDIT: HAHAHA Yelda put blue and orange in the WFE of 10000 Island!
That was a good one.

This thing is going too far. I don't want to create an NS monster now.

Not to mention the fact that, as things are currently set up, SC repeals are apparently being counted as -- and are consequently displacing -- GA proposals when the system chooses which of the quorate proposals should go to vote next...

That's wrong, now GA supporters will ask for a double turn.

[Topid]

Not to mention the fact that, as things are currently set up, SC repeals are apparently being counted as -- and are consequently displacing -- GA proposals when the system chooses which of the quorate proposals should go to vote next...

That's wrong, now GA supporters will ask for a double turn.

That actually seems fair to me.

[Firstaria]

Not to mention the fact that, as things are currently set up, SC repeals are apparently being counted as -- and are consequently displacing -- GA proposals when the system chooses which of the quorate proposals should go to vote next...

That's wrong, now GA supporters will ask for a double turn.

That actually seems fair to me.

The was for the turn system fail.