Commend The Black Hawks

by **Cinistra** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:37 am

The rules concerning griefing was abolished when regional influence was introduced to the game, and TTT's droning about that particular issue is no longer relevant. TTT's faction in Republicans was not able to hold on to the political power in the region. The new regime consider the faction to TTT belongs is no longer significant, and will work for the final closure of that faction in Republicans. It would have been nice if these nations came to understand the shift in the political landscape and left Republicans voluntarily. As this is not the case, our delegate in Republicans will have to find solutions which is to the best for the future life of Republicans.
Also, the term "native" is arbitrary. No such term exists in NS. Thus, TTT can not call for special treatment or privileges in Republicans by referring to this term. His time in Republicans has expired, and sending in puppets with silly proclamations only cements that decision.
It's also quite disgusting that TTT uses his well deserved demise in Republicans to hijack this thread. His rantings on this thread has not proved that TBH is not worth a commendation.

by **Sremski okrug** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:39 am

It's pretty disgusting on both sides. I've been reading this and I don't agree with either of your arguments.

by **Halcones** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:41 am

So what do you agree with?

by **Cinistra** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:03 am

Halcones wrote:So what do you agree with?

Himself, I think :blink:

by **Mike Hawks** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:28 am

Abstain.

Sounds like you guys are good raiders but in some cases it sounds like you use BS tactics to take over regions.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:45 am

AGAINST. Commending raiders for raiding is lame. Besides, I think they just got there feelings hurt over being nominated for a condemnations.

by **Halcones** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:07 pm

Actually I'm quite pleased. Shows we're doing a good job.

by **Cinistra** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:25 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:AGAINST. Commending raiders for raiding is lame. Besides, I think they just got there feelings hurt over being nominated for a condemnations.

Fendas are getting commended for defending all the time. Time to balance that out.

by **Mahaj WA Seat** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:42 pm

Cinistra wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:AGAINST. Commending raiders for raiding is lame. Besides, I think they just got there feelings hurt over being nominated for a condemnations.

Fendas are getting commended for defending all the time. Time to balance that out.

Agreed. That summed it up beautifully. Although there was Commend The Skeleton Army...

by **Lokemburg** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:29 pm

Lokemburg is against this proposal as it was proposed by a member of The Black Hawks and not by an outside source. If a nation that is not part of The Black Hawks was to propose this idea than I would be for it as they do deserve it but I cannot support THIS proclimation as it was proposed by a member of THB.

by **Halcones** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:05 pm

You have a good point there but the member of TBH who proposed it is also a member of other regions, so they have both an outside and inside view.

by **New Britanniaa** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:54 am

I can guarantee the support of myself and most likely NBE.

by **Soaring Tikal** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:35 am

First, I would like to point out that this is just a debate of the proposal.

The Final proposal will be presented by a nation that is not a member of TBH, who does so gladly after having seen the proposal, which would not have happened without my campaigning for it.

So, those objections are at the moment void.

And even if I were the one proposing it, I fail to see how "They want it, therefore they can't have it" is a good reason to deny a commendation.

I did not receive orders from my superior officials to make it. I proposed it because having taken a look a the history of TBH, and having an inside view of it, I felt it was deserved, so I put my legislative skills to use.

by **Tim-Opolis WA Puppet** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:45 am

Completely agree. People don't realize how great raiders are... Hopefully TBH can get condemned and commended... That would be so awesome

by **Lokemburg** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:52 am

Soaring Tikal wrote:First, I would like to point out that this is just a debate of the proposal.

The Final proposal will be presented by a nation that is not a member of TBH, who does so gladly after having seen the proposal, which would not have happened without my campaigning for it.

So, those objections are at the moment void.

And even if I were the one proposing it, I fail to see how "They want it, therefore they can't have it" is a good reason to deny a commendation.

I did not receive orders from my superior officials to make it. I proposed it because having taken a look a the history of TBH, and having an inside view of it, I felt it was deserved, so I put my legislative skills to use.

Right, I understand your view. And I'm not saying that you don't deserve it just because you want it. You do deserve it. Which brings me to my second point, after getting some more added information to the... background, of this proposal, I am now for the Commendation of The Black Hawks.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:51 am

Cinistra wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:AGAINST. Commending raiders for raiding is lame. Besides, I think they just got there feelings hurt over being nominated for a condemnations.

Fendas are getting commended for defending all the time. Time to balance that out.

Why does it need balancing? I got into this argument with Todd a while back. I just don't see the point.

by **TheThanksgiving Turkey** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:16 pm

Cinistra wrote:The rules concerning griefing was abolished when regional influence was introduced to the game, and TTT's droning about that particular issue is no longer relevant. TTT's faction in Republicans was not able to hold on to the political power in the region. The new regime consider the faction to TTT belongs is no longer significant, and will work for the final closure of that faction in Republicans. It would have been nice if these nations came to understand the shift in the political landscape and left Republicans voluntarily. As this is not the case, our delegate in Republicans will have to find solutions which is to the best for the future life of Republicans.
Also, the term "native" is arbitrary. No such term exists in NS. Thus, TTT can not call for special treatment or privileges in Republicans by referring to this term. His time in Republicans has expired, and sending in puppets with silly proclamations only cements that decision.
It's also quite disgusting that TTT uses his well deserved demise in Republicans to hijack this thread. His rantings on this thread has not proved that TBH is not worth a commendation.

Part of the quote above in bold type indicates my emphasis.

Your fellow raider's comments in Republicans underscore that in fact regions do have identified natives -- and that banjecting them out of the region -- otherwise known as griefing -- is part of the intent of the invasion:

Republicans RMB:

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15 hours ago The Beer Gulping Bar of Hurly Burly Land

Nice to see Mr. Clinton visiting us. Brought some cigars with you, Bill? There's a lack of females in Republicans, though. Not even Mrs. Palin bothers to linger on here. BTW, it would have been so nice if you, Republican Bigots and Dark Princess (seems we got a female after all) joined the WA and endorsed ME. I have some tidying up to do. There are 6 "natives" who refuses to go to the reservation reserved for them. Atauro has been a nice boy and endorsed me already.
@Postian: Nice to hear that. Liberations are for pu***es, anyway. Ironic though that a region named Republicans has be liber(al)ated.
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Since the TBH started this process and its troopers continue to actively endorse this delegate, TBH should not be commended.

by **Mountain Ash Forests** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:49 pm

I fail to see what is commendable about moving 2 puppet nations into a region with no founder and fewer than two WA members. It's like shooting fish in a barrel - anyone (correction, any two people) can do it.

I would definitely commend the Blackhawks if they successfully raided a feeder region. That would be noteworthy.

by **Halcones** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:17 am

The Black Hawks have actually raided valuable targets in the past. We have been around for over 5 years. Our raiding strategies are dynamic.

by **Jeux II** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:10 pm

So when is this, if at all, going to be submitted?

by **Jahka** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:06 pm

Face Dancers wrote:
Rawrgirnia wrote:
That might be true if you allowed the regions to die so someone new can have the name. Instead you turn them into space-wasting "colonies".

Against.

...regions which were defender affiliated (The Crusaders of Justice ...

The Crusaders of Justice was never a defender affiliated region. It was an attempt to imitate the real Crusaders in Equinox, who have since moved to the region Crusaders of Justice.

by **Halcones** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:25 am

They are indeed a defender affiliated region. Check out Crusaders of Justice, a "proud" FRA member region. It is true that Spartz tried to refound TCOJ. Unfortunately he was duped.

by **The Anglian Republics** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:10 pm

*Representative Joshua Newman, sat behind a small sign reading The Anglian Republics and wearing a set of headphones, begins to speak:

The problem that the FTAR have with this resolution is as much to do with the way in which it has come about and has been brought up before this council. I'm one of those old-fashioned people who believes that if you want, you don't ask. Personally, the fact that a member of The Black Hawks is responsible for proposing a commendation for his own organisation says to me one of two things; either that The Black Hawks are extremely vain and believe that a majority of the members of this council will support their commendation, or that they feel that their empire is now so massive that the maths mean that, if this is brought before the council, there is no way they can lose. The FTAR don't like arrogance and we don't appreciate organisations shamelessly nominating themselves for the commendation of this council.

The other problem that we have with this resolution is the fact that it presupposes that the blatant acts of agression carried out by The Black Hawks are 'for the greater good', and are appreciated by members of the regions which fall victim to their hegemony. I call upon The Black Hawks to provide definitive proof that a majority of the members of the regions which they raid are glad of their presence, and to demonstrate the procedures which are in place to allow the existing members of the region to return to self-determination if they no longer feel the presence of TBH is warranted.

by **Jahka** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:22 pm

Halcones wrote:They are indeed a defender affiliated region. Check out Crusaders of Justice, a "proud" FRA member region. It is true that Spartz tried to refound TCOJ. Unfortunately he was duped.

Wait, what? You raided, THE Crusaders of Justice. That's not a defender region as you claim. Crusaders of Justice is, but there is no article before the word crusaders in their name of the region. THE Crusaders of Justice is just some region people made to imitate them.

by **TheThanksgiving Turkey** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:12 pm

Jahka wrote:
Halcones wrote:They are indeed a defender affiliated region. Check out Crusaders of Justice, a "proud" FRA member region. It is true that Spartz tried to refound TCOJ. Unfortunately he was duped.

Wait, what? You raided, THE Crusaders of Justice. That's not a defender region as you claim. Crusaders of Justice is, but there is no article before the word crusaders in their name of the region. THE Crusaders of Justice is just some region people made to imitate them.

Perhaps NS Moderation should intervene here, as there could be an honest confusion with the region Crusaders of Justice -- or if Halcones were consistent the TBH might simply give up the region, much as The Chicken Army gave up Black Hawks.

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