Commend The Black Hawks

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

Commend The Black Hawks

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a region.

Category: Commendation | Nominee: The Black Hawks | Proposed by: Soaring Tikal

Description:

The World Assembly,

NOTING that the Black Hawks have, since it's creation in 2004, become one of the most respected raider organizations in the World,

RECALLING the Black Hawks as an epitome that stands for Raider Unity,

PRAISING the recent achievement of accomplishing beyond 150 successful raids in little over a month,

IMPRESSED that the recent success of the Hawks has not resulted in the adoption of methods such as grieving and the expulsion of natives,

ASTONISHED at the thankfulness of some of the raided regions, and the revival of others, such as Republicans and 0000000000 CHRISTIAN TEENS,

RECOGNIZING the Black Hawks as an ideal elite raider organization,

HEREBY commends The Black Hawks for the above reasons.

I thought that Commendations had to be truthful. Your statement about not griefing and what you've done in Republicans are flat-out lies. And even in 0000000000 CHRISTIAN TEENS -- the delegate you had displaced was an admitted raider.

Commendable behavior, hardly. Against.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

There were old natives from Republicans who also thanked us for refounding their region.

A good proposal. Lets hope we get a commendation and a condemnation at the same time

huh? As of this moment, you haven't refounded Republicans -- This might be your intent, presumably to see whether one can refound a region with a LIBERATION RESOLUTION on it that blocks implementation of a password.

Come on guys -- try at least being truthful.

[Jeux II]

The only people pissed are the defenders, who are only pissed because they are The Black Hawks enemies.

Although we do not really tend to become involved in the affairs of the Security Council, the government of Cool Egg Sandwich can formally support this proposed Commendation of TBH for the reasons stated within the proposal, namely the favorable reception of many native regions to TBH. Furthermore, the art of raiding is not something that should be incessantly condemned within NationStates; contributing to this raiding community, TBH not only promotes the overall concept of 'raiding,' but also serves to clear the "deadwood" regions of the NS multiverse.

Full support.


Rgds.,

Well, I may support this, but there is most likely going to be a repeal in a few days by some of the pissed off defenders.

[Oceanic Vakiadia]

I might rejoin the WA if this reaches quorum.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

That might be true if you allowed the regions to die so someone new can have the name. Instead you turn them into space-wasting "colonies".

Against.

People seem to forget that Nationstates Communist Party had links to defenders in the past.

TBH's colonies comprise mostly of regions which were defender affiliated (The Crusaders of Justice, NationStates Communist Party...) and regions that provoked us into conflict with them (League of the Scaro Alliance, Hethrum, Durbanian Archipelago) This regions knew the risks in entering war with The Black Hawks. You can read my last post in Luke's Condemn TBH thread for reference. I'm not sure how to link it here.

This statement doesn't explain TBH's griefing actions in Republicans.

It is also important to add that Halcones has also posted favorably seeking a CONDEMNATION "badge" elsewhere in the Security Council -- designed to make a mockery of this institution: (see "Condemn Black Hawks"):

Postby Halcones » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:40 pm
Again, sounds cool. Glad there are plenty of people having attempts at this. We want that badge, so please keep up the good work.

[Despoticania]

The mighty Despot of Despoticania supports this proposal. Raiders are an important part of the world, bringing dying regions back to life and ensuring the safety and prosperity of those deserving it. Given The Black Hawks's long tradition in the business, they certainly deserve this commendation.

[Rockerika]

Rockerika, as the WA Delegate from the Greater Wetlands, wholeheartedly approves of this resolution.

[Mahaj WA Seat]

I might rejoin the WA if this reaches quorum.

SC resolutions don't affect your nation...

but I guess thats not what you were going for?

[Latin Hispania]

I think I approve...
*thumbs up*

[Oceanic Vakiadia]

I might rejoin the WA if this reaches quorum.

SC resolutions don't affect your nation...

but I guess thats not what you were going for?

It would be proof that the WA is improving.
Slightly.

[Sremski okrug]

I won't approve this. Mostly because a member is trying to commend his own organization.

[The Last Supper]

Halcones' explanation satisfies.

[Halcones]

I thought that Commendations had to be truthful. Your statement about not griefing and what you've done in Republicans are flat-out lies. And even in 0000000000 CHRISTIAN TEENS -- the delegate you had displaced was an admitted raider.

Commendable behavior, hardly. Against.

Oops, I meant Regionale sorry

[Okra Gumbo]

I thought that Commendations had to be truthful. Your statement about not griefing and what you've done in Republicans are flat-out lies. And even in 0000000000 CHRISTIAN TEENS -- the delegate you had displaced was an admitted raider.

Commendable behavior, hardly. Against.

Oops, I meant Regionale sorry

Highlighting Regionale as a public service to display that either that region was long ago griefed by TBH or simply founded by TBH in order to continue its charade of only raiding defender-related regions.

One can only hope that the Security Council doesn't fall for this mockery of a commendation.

We appreciate the explanation.

[Halcones]

Regionale was another case of a refound where all natives had left. No one needed to be ejected - it was a simple move out and refound procedure - not griefing at all. The act was done because it was believed defenders were trying to refound the region. Afterwards, we got thanks from old natives from Regionale who had moved on.

[Cinistra]

It all boils down to the fact that fendas detest raiders as a principle, and is not willing to commend any raider org whatsoever. The arguments whether TBH has been doing any grieving in this or that region is of ad hoc nature.

[Face Dancers]

Regardless, I'd like to affirm again that Republicans is not under control of TBH. As it is clearly shown on the WFE, TBH did raid the region, we passed over control and now the region is in control of The Phantom Knights. That does not read TBH to me. We don't and can't have any say over them. Is this very hard to understand? I just don't know why the Chicken/Turkey/Gumbo refuses to understand this, but I do hope other nations will see the light.

The bias against raiders is clearly shown by some members of the WA...
But I hope the rest of you will be more open minded, to be able to recognize and affirm TBH as a premier raiding region with a high level of success and longevity in the game, and acknowledge the benefits it has brought about to the raider-defender element of the game

[Halcones]

Good points Face Dancers.

I am sorry I may have confused some of you by contantly mixing up Republicans and Regionale - it's a bad habit of mine. I just had to make an edit to my last post to change Republicans to Regionale.

Republicans is a region that was captured by TBH in a hit and run raid, then handed over to The Phantom Knights. We have had no control over that region for a while now, and any actions taken by TPK there are not influenced by TBH in any way whatsoever. Accusations of griefing in Republicans should be directed to Knights of Israel of The Phantom Knights. As far as I see it, he has not harmed the region at all, only kicking out non natives such as DYP (a naughty fenda) and other nuisance nations who I'm sure he doesn't see as natives.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

Good points Face Dancers.

I am sorry I may have confused some of you by contantly mixing up Republicans and Regionale - it's a bad habit of mine. I just had to make an edit to my last post to change Republicans to Regionale.

Republicans is a region that was captured by TBH in a hit and run raid, then handed over to The Phantom Knights. We have had no control over that region for a while now, and any actions taken by TPK there are not influenced by TBH in any way whatsoever. Accusations of griefing in Republicans should be directed to Knights of Israel of The Phantom Knights. As far as I see it, he has not harmed the region at all, only kicking out non natives such as DYP (a naughty fenda) and other nuisance nations who I'm sure he doesn't see as natives.

Type in bold indicate TheThanksgiving Turkey's emphasis.

Thanks for your clarifications about confusing regions. With as many raids you guys have done, not accounting for them all is understandable. However, with all due respect, Halcones, one only has to click on Republicans' Liberation Badge to determine that THIS NATIVE has been griefed, whether by TBH or your phantom pals.

[Halcones]

Maybe he has been, but again, it's not TBH in control there. It's TPK, and we have no say on what they do, neither do we care.

[Cinistra]

To clear things up concerning the situation in Republicans: TBH seized power in Republicans the 2nd of March 2011, and has, as far as I know only banned fenda agents. TBH transferred the government of Republicans over to The Phantom Knights, who's WA delegate actually did ban TheThanksgiving Turkey from the region. The last two days Republicans has been in the custody of The Alliance of Dictators, to which Cinistra belongs. Our delegate in Republicans has mainly been occupied with the banning of the puppets of TTT, which have been immigrating into the region on a regular basis. The puppets of TTT have also spammed our delegate's TG box with stupid demands.
It would have been nice if TTT,with puppets, actually did bother to read the WFE of Republicans in stead of spamming these forums with false accusations about TBH.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

To clear things up concerning the situation in Republicans: TBH seized power in Republicans the 2nd of March 2011, and has, as far as I know only banned fenda agents. TBH transferred the government of Republicans over to The Phantom Knights, who's WA delegate actually did ban TheThanksgiving Turkey from the region. The last two days Republicans has been in the custody of The Alliance of Dictators, to which Cinistra belongs. Our delegate in Republicans has mainly been occupied with the banning of the puppets of TTT, which have been immigrating into the region on a regular basis. The puppets of TTT have also spammed our delegate's TG box with stupid demands.
It would have been nice if TTT,with puppets, actually did bother to read the WFE of Republicans in stead of spamming these forums with false accusations about TBH.

Thanks for admitting that at least somebody in your bunch griefed this native.

Yet no one has taken responsibility of that fact that natives were griefed from Republicans -- perhaps because of the great innovations in this game, no one actually wants to admit this practice still exists; for raiders like yourselves have now raised it to a high art form.

You guys in fact are all of the same batch of characters -- perhaps crossdressing and changing the flags you wrap yourselves in. Now Cinistra is saying the current delegate as of this writing is a member of his raider organization when in fact he had been identified as part of The Phantom Knights for several days now. Likewise when TBH banned long-time nations, they supposedly transferred power to TPK -- but curiously kept their nations in place. What a bunch of liars.

Oh well -- If you get off on causing grief to players in regions which had not given a reason to bother you guys or your fellow raider compatriots (a charge that Halcones in TBH has raised as a reason for TBH raiding such regions like Republicans) -- then this turkey cannot stop you, without emulating the same nasty practices you all extol as the high art of raiding.

As long as you guys keep trying to portray this as anything but griefing, I will dutifully respond in these forums by holding up a mirror so that you guys can see who you really are.

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An Update -- admission to clear region of all nations including remaining natives

The TBH/TPK/AOD consortium in Republicans' current delegate has just announced its intention to clear the region of remaining natives (defined as griefing) and indeed all nations:

Republicans RMB (relevant posts highlighted in bold type for emphasis:

5 hours ago Fried Invertebrates

so is this region going to get emptied?

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Post by Gottyou suppressed by Hurly Burly Land.

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Post by Gottyou suppressed by Hurly Burly Land.

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Post by Gottyou suppressed by Hurly Burly Land.

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81 minutes ago The Incorporated States of Wise Eggs

goodbye Republicans, it's been fun.
Good luck to The Alliance of Dictators in controlling the region.

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6 minutes ago Hurly Burly Land

@Fried Invertebrates: yes in due time this region will be emptied.

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[Face Dancers]

Yet no one has taken responsibility of that fact that natives were griefed from Republicans -- perhaps because of the great innovations in this game, no one actually wants to admit this practice still exists; for raiders like yourselves have now raised it to a high art form.

As TBH hasn't griefed the natives, I don't see how this is relevant to this thread.

You guys in fact are all of the same batch of characters -- perhaps crossdressing and changing the flags you wrap yourselves in. Now Cinistra is saying the current delegate as of this writing is a member of his raider organization when in fact he had been identified as part of The Phantom Knights for several days now. Likewise when TBH banned long-time nations, they supposedly transferred power to TPK -- but curiously kept their nations in place. What a bunch of liars.

Cut the baseless accusations please. Control of the region is solely invested in the delegate of the region, not the endorsers. Power was transferred when the delegate changes. TBH's delegate was Postian, The Phantom Knights had two delegates in Israel and Skywalker, and clearly the current delegate Hurly is from the Alliance of Dictators. (See below) Unless you have concrete proof that we are puppets please stop talking such nonsense.

"2 days 1 hour ago: The Banhammer Republic of Hurly Burly Land elected WA Delegate (ending The Republic of A Bold Skywalker's reign).
3 days 1 hour ago: The Republic of A Bold Skywalker elected WA Delegate (ending The Kingdom of Knights of Israel's reign after 7 days).
10 days ago: The Kingdom of Knights of Israel elected WA Delegate (ending The Community of Postian's reign).
11 days ago: The Community of Postian elected WA Delegate (ending The Empire of C_W_R's reign after 5 days)."

As long as you guys keep trying to portray this as anything but griefing, I will dutifully respond in these forums by holding up a mirror so that you guys can see who you really are.

I think you're getting off-thread here. Please direct your inquiries about Republicans to The Alliance of Dictators, there's no more need to talk about it here as you are getting nowhere arguing with TBH.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

Yet no one has taken responsibility of that fact that natives were griefed from Republicans -- perhaps because of the great innovations in this game, no one actually wants to admit this practice still exists; for raiders like yourselves have now raised it to a high art form.

As TBH hasn't griefed the natives, I don't see how this is relevant to this thread.

You guys in fact are all of the same batch of characters -- perhaps crossdressing and changing the flags you wrap yourselves in. Now Cinistra is saying the current delegate as of this writing is a member of his raider organization when in fact he had been identified as part of The Phantom Knights for several days now. Likewise when TBH banned long-time nations, they supposedly transferred power to TPK -- but curiously kept their nations in place. What a bunch of liars.

Cut the baseless accusations please. Control of the region is solely invested in the delegate of the region, not the endorsers. Power was transferred when the delegate changes. TBH's delegate was Postian, The Phantom Knights had two delegates in Israel and Skywalker, and clearly the current delegate Hurly is from the Alliance of Dictators. (See below) Unless you have concrete proof that we are puppets please stop talking such nonsense.

"2 days 1 hour ago: The Banhammer Republic of Hurly Burly Land elected WA Delegate (ending The Republic of A Bold Skywalker's reign).
3 days 1 hour ago: The Republic of A Bold Skywalker elected WA Delegate (ending The Kingdom of Knights of Israel's reign after 7 days).
10 days ago: The Kingdom of Knights of Israel elected WA Delegate (ending The Community of Postian's reign).
11 days ago: The Community of Postian elected WA Delegate (ending The Empire of C_W_R's reign after 5 days)."

As long as you guys keep trying to portray this as anything but griefing, I will dutifully respond in these forums by holding up a mirror so that you guys can see who you really are.

I think you're getting off-thread here. Please direct your inquiries about Republicans to The Alliance of Dictators, there's no more need to talk about it here as you are getting nowhere arguing with TBH.

Since this is a thread about commending the behavior of the raider region and group TBH, I think it is appropriate to post replies, especially given that TBH's opening raid of my home region Republicans started off this process.

Face Dancers, please note in my previous post I was responding to your fellow raider from The Alliance of Dictators -- who touts the raider unity amongst all the parties including TBH in the matter of Republicans. To natives who have been banjected from their regions, the distinctions you draw between who is the leader matter little when your link to your region still remains on the region World Factbook Entry; and as of this of this writing you still have combatants supporting the delegate whatever army they claim to be with.

If you still feel strongly about me lodging the charge that TBH has played a role in griefing this native and setting the stage for griefing future natives from Republicans, please repudiate what the AOD poster said -- then I can believe TBH is sincere about its role.

The nation which specifically banjected me was A Bold Skywalker. He arrived to the region under TBH rule and repeatedly called for my ouster. When he gained the delegacy, banjecting me was one of his first acts as delegate. Your troopers were endorsing him -- whom do I to hold accountable here in a thread which showcases TBH's actions? If there is another appropriate forum, I will go to it.

Also it should be noted that the current delegate had operated for at least a day under The Phantom Knights label -- only on March 12 in the past few hours had he adjusted the World Factbook Entry to say the raid is now being lead by The alliance of Dictators -- hence my "crossdressing" reference.

Re-highlight part of quote of Facedancers, with comment to follow:

"I think you're getting off-thread here. Please direct your inquiries about Republicans to The Alliance of Dictators, there's no more need to talk about it here as you are getting nowhere arguing with TBH."

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Facedancers, before your reply I had responded to The Alliance of Dictators-identified nation. This same nation proclaimed in his RMB that 'raider unity' of TBH/TPK/AOD is how the Republicans' raid is going so well. To be sure I can no longer enter the Republicans region, for this nation has been banjected. Perhaps you should correct your raider colleague for implying that TBH endorsed this banjection of this native of Republicans.

In an earlier era of NationStates, this was known as griefing. This is my own opinion. For the the most part game mechanics' changes has reconciled the practice to the past -- except for raider organizations like yours who have raised it anew by entering a region which has earned a Liberation badge through Security Council and World Assembly action for the previous raiders' banjection of natives -- and now your consortium of raiders is apparently seeking to undo this resolution.

Pardon me for confusing all of the distinctive-ness of your raider signatures, delegates, and flags -- they all look and feel the same to your victims.

[Halcones]

Just let him whine on Face Dancers