[JOKE][ABANDONED] Commend Deruuu

[Lord Visoraxus]

I support this.

[Sail Nation]

Is this is serious proposal, intended for submission, or just a joke? I have created a joke 'Condemn Deruuu' proposal simply in response to what is happening. It is not intended to be submitted.

[New Spiedska]

It stopped a raid, which is mostly a one-time trick. This new burst of nations will begin to fizzle out.

If you want to use his joining as an argument, then you can also take into account the fact that his joining has inconvenienced basically everyone using the site. If he takes credit for the questionably "positive" results of him joining, he must also take the credit for the objectively negative results.

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

The raiders will probably do what they wanted to do anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Drew isn't going to stop them

[Zizou]

I would wait until May 18th, when we can see the actual impact of his video.
How did he do anything for NS if 98% of them CTE on 5/18?

Answer: the remaining 2%.

Also there is the argument that he prevented pending raids amidst the lag, thus opening the door for future raider/defender tactics that involve exploiting the update functions, but I do not find it convincing.

Why don't you find it convincing? Using a smaller scale version of this tactic, it is possible to create "speed humps" in update, where triggers either update way faster than expected (resulting in a miss), or update way too slowly (causing an easy fend).

I know that this may sound quite dubious to some people, but we are quite literally witnessing the birth of a new era of R/D. From the day variance was introduced, until just before today's minor update, us players were totally at the whim of variance and the update. Long gone are those days soon to become, as players gradually discover new ways to bend update in their favor. For many years now, people have complained about R/D gameplay being effectively dead, but on this day, we have witnessed the birth of a whole new era of tactics and trickery for both defenders and raiders.

[Zentata]

The thing is, he stopped the raid Accidentally

If doing something by accident merits a commendation, then anything can. And yes, I'd like to wait until June 1st, when all the people who logged in for a a bit and stopped then. Even so, I don't think he really merits it.

[Zizou]

The thing is, he stopped the raid Accidentally

If doing something by accident merits a commendation, then anything can. And yes, I'd like to wait until June 1st, when all the people who logged in for a a bit and stopped then. Even so, I don't think he really merits it.

Are you sure it was totally accidental? He knew when to drop the video in order to maximize the affect it would have on update after clearly spotting activity in the TBH's JP. That's wayyy too much of a coincidence to be accidental.

A one-time trick? Who's to say? It's true that he was the first, and quite possibly only, person to properly test the theory of messing with update. However, when he did so, he made all of NS realize it was viable, and was able to use it to great success. One man was able to successfully prevent the hostile takeover of more than 15 innocent regions, and that is a feat unto itself.

I heavily disagree with the idea that this is a one-time trick, as the same general concept can be applied on a smaller scale by defenders in order to mess with raider triggers, which significantly improves their chances of defending founderless regions against larger operations. The same operations, I should note, which were mentioned as being "frequently destructive in intent and execution" by SC#217.

The raiders will probably do what they wanted to do anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Drew isn't going to stop them

As a raider who was just stopped by Drew at this minor, I would say that he's been quite the hindrance

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Answer: the remaining 2%.

Also there is the argument that he prevented pending raids amidst the lag, thus opening the door for future raider/defender tactics that involve exploiting the update functions, but I do not find it convincing.

Why don't you find it convincing? Using a smaller scale version of this tactic, it is possible to create "speed humps" in update, where triggers either update way faster than expected (resulting in a miss), or update way too slowly (causing an easy fend).

I know that this may sound quite dubious to some people, but we are quite literally witnessing the birth of a new era of R/D. From the day variance was introduced, until just before today's minor update, us players were totally at the whim of variance and the update. Long gone are those days soon to become, as players gradually discover new ways to bend update in their favor. For many years now, people have complained about R/D gameplay being effectively dead, but on this day, we have witnessed the birth of a whole new era of tactics and trickery for both defenders and raiders.

For one, it was completely accidental, and I'm not an expert but I don't think accidents are worth commending. (As for your argument on this: correlation != causation.)

Second, it's not clear, to me at least, how this could be done for specific operations in a non-destructive way (to the server, that is).

Although my experience of R/D consists of being an RO in a region that got raided once before I was RO, and defended once afterwards, both while I was asleep, so I may not have the qualifications necessary to have an informed opinion on this, I suppose.

[Aurum Raider]

Are you sure it was totally accidental? He knew when to drop the video in order to maximize the affect it would have on update after clearly spotting activity in the TBH's JP. That's wayyy too much of a coincidence to be accidental.

Not to argue against someone so fervently defending my proposal, but it is also entirely possible he was just trying to get his video on youtube's recommended feed.
I'd actually dare say that might have been the primary motivation.

[Goral]

FULL 100% SUPPORT

[Outer Sparta]

If this actually happens Drew will freak out and make a follow-up video.

[Aurum Raider]

For one, it was completely accidental, and I'm not an expert but I don't think accidents are worth commending. (As for your argument on this: correlation != causation.)

I am going to take this time to point out that the clauses that mention R/D make up two of the total seven clauses in this proposal.

I've made it a draft because I predict that the effects Deruuu will have throughout the day up to the major update will be just as cataclysmic, and I also predict more videos will be forthcoming.

[Valtrona]

Based.

[Outer Sparta]

For one, it was completely accidental, and I'm not an expert but I don't think accidents are worth commending. (As for your argument on this: correlation != causation.)

I am going to take this time to point out that the clauses that mention R/D make up two of the total seven clauses in this proposal.

I've made it a draft because I predict that the effects Deruuu will have throughout the day up to the major update will be just as cataclysmic, and I also predict more videos will be forthcoming.

Oh no that would mean even more storming the site...

[Aurum Raider]

Oh no that would mean even more storming the site...

God help us all if he becomes interested in cards.

[Outer Sparta]

Oh no that would mean even more storming the site...

God help us all if he becomes interested in cards.

"Umm what is this thing? I can have CARDS!!! Oh cool I can buy umm... Frisbee... terraria for... HOLY COW!!! 1000? I don't have the money for that!" - Drew Durnil when he discovers cards

[Zizou]

Why don't you find it convincing? Using a smaller scale version of this tactic, it is possible to create "speed humps" in update, where triggers either update way faster than expected (resulting in a miss), or update way too slowly (causing an easy fend).

I know that this may sound quite dubious to some people, but we are quite literally witnessing the birth of a new era of R/D. From the day variance was introduced, until just before today's minor update, us players were totally at the whim of variance and the update. Long gone are those days soon to become, as players gradually discover new ways to bend update in their favor. For many years now, people have complained about R/D gameplay being effectively dead, but on this day, we have witnessed the birth of a whole new era of tactics and trickery for both defenders and raiders.

For one, it was completely accidental, and I'm not an expert but I don't think accidents are worth commending. (As for your argument on this: correlation != causation.)

Second, it's not clear, to me at least, how this could be done for specific operations in a non-destructive way (to the server, that is).

Although my experience of R/D consists of being an RO in a region that got raided once before I was RO, and defended once afterwards, both while I was asleep, so I may not have the qualifications necessary to have an informed opinion on this, I suppose.

On your first point, it would be extremely difficult to prove his intentions one way or the other, I will concede that.
On your second, I'm going to refrain from discussing the specifics of how to do so, since I think I've given away a bit too much already, but it's definitely possible.

[Zeritae]

God help us all if he becomes interested in cards.

"Umm what is this thing? I can have CARDS!!! Oh cool I can buy umm... Frisbee... terraria for... HOLY COW!!! 1000? I don't have the money for that!" - Drew Durnil when he discovers cards

Ah yes, Frisbeeterraria,Testinglandica, and Replicoid Productions.

[Layem]

A message from the Government of Layem:

Yes we have had a shakey past, and with our refounding we have only showed acceptance to everyone of all religions and ethnicities, which we have always done, we have completely got rid of the usage of the "n word" as we did not use it for racial offense, but as another term for "loser" or "idiot".

We understand this was childish thinking, and we have drastically changed the way our discord and government operates on this kind of usage of foul language.

Also regarding the "anti semitic" remarks Tussia is talking about, he comes into our server full of majority Chrisitan nations, talking about how being a "Christian Jew" is the right way of thinking, and gloating how is "people" own the world and run all of the corporations. Basic flame baiting, and was mad when he was met with actual religious debate.

Now he wishes to join Layem again, but we denied him due to his childish and controversial past, so he goes around discord servers and apparently now the forums, to bad mouth the region. We will not be replying to any questions on this forum, you can DM our Supreme Chancellor or the CoFA. Thank you.

[Kuriko]

Absolutely unequivocally against. This player, while bringing new nations to the game in the sum of 10s of thousands, has done nothing notable. They also crashed the site because they acted without thinking and didn't warn people the servers couldn't handle a massive influx like we saw. So no, never ever.

[New Spiedska]

Absolutely unequivocally against. This player, while bringing new nations to the game in the sum of 10s of thousands, has done nothing notable. They also crashed the site because they acted without thinking and didn't warn people the servers couldn't handle a massive influx like we saw. So no, never ever.

Preach

[Wallenburg]

So. You're promoting Ddosing the site?
NS was unusable for a few hours and the servers are still struggling.
Imagine the pain Max is going through? He no doubt almost killed a server.

DDoS implies malicious intent (just as stopping a raid implies benevolent intent). Drew Durnil isn't a botnet C&C server.

You are promoting this sort of behavior with the intent of denying access to the site. That's literally DDoSing.

[Zizou]

DDoS implies malicious intent (just as stopping a raid implies benevolent intent). Drew Durnil isn't a botnet C&C server.

You are promoting this sort of behavior with the intent of denying access to the site. That's literally DDoSing.

No one is telling people to go out and DDoS the site

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

DDoS implies malicious intent (just as stopping a raid implies benevolent intent). Drew Durnil isn't a botnet C&C server.

You are promoting this sort of behavior with the intent of denying access to the site. That's literally DDoSing.

As a matter of fact I'm not. I'm vehemently opposed to it.

I'm saying that Drew isn't guilty of DDoS, and the raiders and defenders at least claim to be able to exploit updates non-destructively.

[Aurum Raider]

Absolutely unequivocally against. This player, while bringing new nations to the game in the sum of 10s of thousands, has done nothing notable. They also crashed the site because they acted without thinking and didn't warn people the servers couldn't handle a massive influx like we saw. So no, never ever.

I've made it a draft because I predict that the effects Deruuu will have throughout the day up to the major update will be just as cataclysmic, and I also predict more videos will be forthcoming.

That aside, how would he have known if the servers could handle it or not?
As far as Drew was aware, this is a browser-based game that was running quite well for him. Should he have emailed Max in advance to give a heads up?

[Lord Dominator]

Absolutely unequivocally against. This player, while bringing new nations to the game in the sum of 10s of thousands, has done nothing notable. They also crashed the site because they acted without thinking and didn't warn people the servers couldn't handle a massive influx like we saw. So no, never ever.

I too expect that a random person who had played for a few days would be aware that the servers of the site temporarily wouldn't be able to handle an influx of people