[PASSED] Repeal "Condemn Vandoosa"

[Tim-Opolis]

I've been meaning to come back to this resolution for some time, given that it's one of the most hilariously undeserved Condemnations that has ever graced the Security Council.

In particular, given that I was drafting this before Predator was revealed, I believe the addition of those details should make this a pretty easy and understandable repeal.

[Fauxia]

Condemn Vandoosa is resolution. 188, ftr. 189 is Liberate St. Abby

[TURTLESHROOM II]

The unauthorized turtle hiding in the vents of the WA office building spoke from above the Resolution's planning room.

"Repealing a Condemnation of a Raider ain't somethin' I support, personally, but I agree that a Founduh should not be Condemned for neglectin' his Region or for allowin' an invasion to happen. That's 'specially so 'cause he might be busy with his nation or, ya know, carin' for his nation's people first and foremost. Or he delegates to a civil servant and that subordinate was incompetent."

[Tim-Opolis]

Condemn Vandoosa is resolution. 188, ftr. 189 is Liberate St. Abby

Damn, dunno how I missed that. Thanks for the spot!

The unauthorized turtle hiding in the vents of the WA office building spoke from above the Resolution's planning room.

"Repealing a Condemnation of a Raider ain't somethin' I support, personally, but I agree that a Founduh should not be Condemned for neglectin' his Region or for allowin' an invasion to happen. That's 'specially so 'cause he might be busy with his nation or, ya know, carin' for his nation's people first and foremost. Or he delegates to a civil servant and that subordinate was incompetent."

Not sure if that's support or not?

[Fauxia]

When you notice the keeper of the SC resolutions has one of the numbers wrong

(In a repeal, not in actual order)

[Tim-Opolis]

When you notice the keeper of the SC resolutions has one of the numbers wrong

Yes, that was a tad embarrassing

In my defense, I didn't take over until last December so those are before my time as Record Keeper...

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Not sure if that's support or not?

The ceiling turtle paused for a moment, himself confused about the Resolution.

"Well, that depends, ta be frank. Ya'll weren't really clear if you were condemnin' the Founduh for bein' lazy or the Region for bein' Raider trash. It was a real confusin' Resolution if ya ask me."

[Tim-Opolis]

Not sure if that's support or not?

The ceiling turtle paused for a moment, himself confused about the Resolution.

"Well, that depends, ta be frank. Ya'll weren't really clear if you were condemnin' the Founduh for bein' lazy or the Region for bein' Raider trash. It was a real confusin' Resolution if ya ask me."

I'm not condemning anything, that's what the Condemnation I'm looking to repeal was doing. If anything, your criticisms seem better aimed at that which I'm trying to Repeal

[Vando0sa]

Oh that typo in my condemnation really bugged me.. Once this one is repealed maybe someone will have me commended instead.

I am too innocent to be condemned anyway as my flag suggests..

[Tim-Opolis]

This is back on the pipeline now that I've got enough of a break in time where I won't be around to update but can still throw together a WA Campaign really quick.

Expecting to submit after Repeal "Liberate Dank Memes" hopefully goes through, and pending any other suggestions for changes to the proposal text that y'all lovely SC folks might have.

[Queen Yuno]

Vando0sa will just get condemned again if this passed. This repeal doesn't have much information, if any, outside of proclaiming as founder of Iwaku, they weren't at fault for neglecting it during invasion.
Would be cool to add more content.

Anyway, I still believe raiders should get their condemns and defenders get their commends. Not sure what else would warrant Condemns aside from legal in character villianous actions.

[Fauxia]

It seems kinda long to me. I don't know how I'll vote on it, but just mentioning that ftr

[Tim-Opolis]

Vando0sa will just get condemned again if this passed. This repeal doesn't have much information, if any, outside of proclaiming as founder of Iwaku, they weren't at fault for neglecting it during invasion.
Would be cool to add more content.

Anyway, I still believe raiders should get their condemns and defenders get their commends. Not sure what else would warrant Condemns aside from legal in character villianous actions.

Raiders should get their condemns, but it should be for those who deserve it. What the fuck has Vandoosa actually done to deserve a condemnation? You say he'll just get condemned again, but I struggle to see what a well-educated SC will condemn him for. He's a rank and file R/Der who does nothing but tag mostly, isn't involved in leadership, doesn't particularly have an SC-worthy resume outside of that, and frankly has become less condemnable since his Condemnation if anything.

[Queen Yuno]

Vando0sa will just get condemned again if this passed. This repeal doesn't have much information, if any, outside of proclaiming as founder of Iwaku, they weren't at fault for neglecting it during invasion.
Would be cool to add more content.

Anyway, I still believe raiders should get their condemns and defenders get their commends. Not sure what else would warrant Condemns aside from legal in character villianous actions.

Raiders should get their condemns, but it should be for those who deserve it. What the fuck has Vandoosa actually done to deserve a condemnation? You say he'll just get condemned again, but I struggle to see what a well-educated SC will condemn him for. He's a rank and file R/Der who does nothing but tag mostly, isn't involved in leadership, doesn't particularly have an SC-worthy resume outside of that, and frankly has become less condemnable since his Condemnation if anything.

Vando0sa was a Major (or Colonel, sorry if I got your rank wrong, it's been a while,) of HYDRA Command. He was privy to the officers discussions, raid plots. He impacted the direction of many orgs. There is more to leadership than just setting a trigger.

Rank and filer R/Ders who've spent hundreds/thousands of invasion hours on this web browser 2d raiding game, deserve a condemn. I don't think it should be reserved for people who own fancy high ranks or knows how to set a trigger. Low ranked soldiers deserve recognition, too, when they put in the time and years into raiding.

I'd say the same for non-Commander defenders.

If tagging 3000+ regions isn't enough for you to say he deserves a SC Condemn, what would you qualify as an accomplishment?
Being the Point for an occupation with 70 pilers? I see Kyorgia hasn't been condemned. Being the founder of a large raider region? Plagentine(Kleo) hasn't been condemned either.

How many Condemns do we have right now? Not many. I can only think of Koth at the top of my head. I'll check later.

Anyway, we just have different opinions. This is just one opinion of mine.

I've tag raided 1000+ regions and it's the most time consuming and energetically exhaustive thing I've ever done for any online game. I'm involved in the textwalls of Gameplay politics and even that takes less time than the game mechanics of R/D. Personally, I feel my raider accomplishments amounts to the levels of burnout exhaustion and am in dire need of a break (which I'm having right now after almost 2 years by not raiding.) And then I'm completely fascinated by raiders who've raided much more than I did.

[Pollaetorian]

Everyone likes Vandy, he's small and cute.

That's good enough reason for me!

[Mallorea and Riva]

I'm not sure why we'd glorify someone for RMB spam and some tags. What significant occupations did they lead? And I don't mean "participated in", I mean which ones did they plan out/serve as point on?

Without something to that effect I don't see why we should oppose the repeal.

[Vulturret]

As a raider, I don't know if I really have a place in this discussion at all, and I don't have a very strong opinion.

From my research, I've gathered that Vandoosa did take part in these insanely large numbers of tags, and did attain a high rank, but so did a ton of a people. Plagentine (no cite on this, just an assumption) has probably tagged more regions than this, and I don't see any condemnation for him.

Typically, in the Security Council, the raiders that have been condemned have been leaders of multiple high-profile, long-term, consequential operations. Vandoosa hasn't had very many of those.

To Yuno's point, however, Vandoosa has done a lot, but in its current state, the SC doesn't really recognize your standard raider. Rank and file updaters are supposed to do something unique or new, not just the daily business.

This is, if I recall correctly, the first time I've ever posted in the Security Council forum, so I don't have much experience with this stuff, but I hope someone finds this useful

[The Atlae Isles]

Everyone likes Vandy, he's small and cute.

That's good enough reason for me!

^this

[RiderSyl]

This Condemnation largely piggybacked off the annoyance that Vandy generated by sending a game-wide telegram for a then-raider styled Iwaku

[Consular]

I'm not sure why we'd glorify someone for RMB spam and some tags. What significant occupations did they lead? And I don't mean "participated in", I mean which ones did they plan out/serve as point on?

Without something to that effect I don't see why we should oppose the repeal.

Agree with the shark.

Not every raider should get a badge. They are for particularly bad people.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I'm not sure why we'd glorify someone for RMB spam and some tags. What significant occupations did they lead? And I don't mean "participated in", I mean which ones did they plan out/serve as point on?

Without something to that effect I don't see why we should oppose the repeal.

I'm with the shark here. Lets not forget many of the operations Vandoosa carried out were done in violation of the site's rules. Ranks and blah aside, Vandoosa is only known to log into a bunch of updates and act cute. If this were good enough, Surdra would have been commended in 2012.

[McMannia Times Six]

I do not support. One does not need to be a super villain to earn this most prestigious of awards, trying to revoking it on those grounds is a waste of SC time.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I do not support. One does not need to be a super villain to earn this most prestigious of awards, trying to revoking it on those grounds is a waste of SC time.

This is just McMannia hoping for a Condemnation for his own lackluster record

I wub you McMannia

[McMannia Times Six]

I do not support. One does not need to be a super villain to earn this most prestigious of awards, trying to revoking it on those grounds is a waste of SC time.

This is just McMannia hoping for a Condemnation for his own lackluster record

I wub you McMannia

wait what? I haven't done anything condemn worthy, .....yet

the end?

[Vando0sa]

Oh it's back again!

Though I really love having a fancy condemnation I'll have to agree with the shark. I've only ever tag raided. Never triggered or pointed for ops (Outside of old Iwaku which was tiny)

I gained the condemnation because I was a celebrity at the time. I took the most points for a while and got my name out there so many natives knew of me.

The global recruitment might have added a few votes in favor due to many not liking that.. (I'm planning to do it again) Global recruitment telegrams though annoying are not condemn worthy.

Thomas is right as well. Most raids from TBR/DEN era where executed with Predator so should not receive recognition. My original nation was DEATed for using Predator and along with it the condemnation badge. I broke the rules and paid the price. Condemnation is a badge of honor to raiders and I don't deserve honor!

I'm still going to pretend like I'm an evil raider that has never done anything wrong though!

AS for what Yuno said it would be nice if condemnations/commendations where more loosely given considering how rare they are. Ancient players set the bar so high that it's virtually impossible for new players to achieve one.

A certain winged nation I know had a good idea.. make it where condemnations restrict certain things like joining the WA or sending telegrams so it becomes less of a badge of honor and more of an actual condemnation.. Just a thought..

*edits* Also I left Hydra. for reasons..

*edits again because spelling is hard even with spellcheck*