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[DROPPED] Repeal: "Liberate Magna Aurea"

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[DROPPED] Repeal: "Liberate Magna Aurea"

Postby Sentinels of the South » Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:27 pm

I understand that this has been proposed before ~a year or so ago, but there were some glaring issues with that proposal that lead to it being defeated. Believing that the Liberation is still pointless, and honestly thinking it didn't really even achieve its original purpose, I want to again propose repealing it. Here's the draft, definitely open to suggestions and adding/removing information based on what other people know.

Security Council Resolution #468, “Liberate Magna Aurea” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

Recognizing that Liberations are passed with the hope of preventing invaders from passwording and seizing a region, effectively destroying their native populations,

Understanding that these Liberations are not always successful in preventing the destruction of these regions, with invaders taking permanent control of these regions regardless of intended protections,

Believing that Magna Aurea is one of these regions, having been occupied and seized by forces of The Black Hawks and Sparkalia through the infiltration of their regional government by now governor Ovenerium for over 18 months, despite a Liberation having existed,

Noting that unnecessary Liberations have been struck down before, such as in the cases of the Liberations of The Place That Has No Big Banks (SC #204), Yessssss (SC #476), and most recently, Eclipsis (SC #501),

Stressing that Magna Aurea no longer needs the protections of a Liberation with the military strength of both The Black Hawks and Sparkalia as it’s occupiers, and the original natives having retreated to new communities, with the founder Aura Banitia now residing in Berytus, while Magna Aurea itself has fallen largely inactive,

Determining that the Liberation of Magna Aurea is now unnecessary, as it clogs up the Security Council, does not protect non-raider natives, and serves no distinct purpose,

HEREBY REPEALS SC #468 “Liberate Magna Aurea”


The Security Council,

Recognizing that Liberations are passed with the hope of preventing invaders from seizing and passwording a region, a practice that effectively destroys their native population and community,

Understanding that these Liberations are not always successful in preventing the destruction of these regions, with invaders taking permanent control of these regions regardless of intended protections,

Believing that Magna Aurea is one of these regions, having been occupied and seized by forces of The Black Hawks and Sparkalia through the infiltration of their regional government by now governor Ovenerium for over 18 months, despite the passing of a Liberation,

Noting that unnecessary Liberations have been struck down before, such as in the cases of the Liberation of The Place That Has No Big Banks (SC #204), Yessssss (SC #476), and most recently, Eclipsis (SC #501),

Stressing that Magna Aurea no longer needs the protections of a Liberation with the military strength of both The Black Hawks and Sparkalia as its occupiers, and the original natives having retreated to new communities, with the founder Aura Banitia now residing in Berytus, while Magna Aurea itself has fallen largely inactive,

Determining that the Liberation of Magna Aurea is now unnecessary, as it clogs up the Security Council, does not protect non-raider natives, and serves no distinct purpose,

Hereby Repeals SC #468 “Liberate Magna Aurea”

(Will probably add the gameside links to the example resolutions on the proposal itself)
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Postby Soviet Union 2 Electric Boogaloo » Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:31 pm

Nah we should keep it as it is

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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:34 pm

OK writing is reasonable so in the name of feedback:
Security Council Resolution #468, “Liberate Magna Aurea” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

You don't actually need this, whenever you click the Repeal button it automatically generated this.
THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

While not illegal, I would recommend against this start, especially when the rest of the resolution doesn't follow the same format. Just "The Security Council," would do.
Recognizing that Liberations are passed with the hope of preventing invaders from passwording and seizing a region, effectively destroying their native populations,

I would add "a practice that effectively destroys their native populations and community" to make it clear that the seizing of the region is the thing that destroys the community/native populations, not the liberation.
Believing that Magna Aurea is one of these regions, having been occupied and seized by forces of The Black Hawks and Sparkalia through the infiltration of their regional government by now governor Ovenerium for over 18 months, despite a Liberation having existed,

Alright so a couple things here. Feel free to use [region][/region] and [nation][/nation] tags as your draft is nowhere near the character limit. The other thing is that your end to the clause is weird, I would just say, "despite the passing of such liberation" or something like that.
Noting that unnecessary Liberations have been struck down before, such as in the cases of the Liberations of The Place That Has No Big Banks (SC #204), Yessssss (SC #476), and most recently, Eclipsis (SC #501),

I actually don't think you need this clause, but if you're really intent on keeping it for some reason, change "Liberations" -> "Liberation". Also feel free to link to these proposals or the repeals of these proposals(works gameside) like [resolution=SC#501]SC#501 Liberate Eclipsis[/resolution].
Stressing that Magna Aurea no longer needs the protections of a Liberation with the military strength of both The Black Hawks and Sparkalia as it’s occupiers, and the original natives having retreated to new communities, with the founder Aura Banitia now residing in Berytus, while Magna Aurea itself has fallen largely inactive,
"It's" -> "Its".Also, again feel free to link to the newly mentioned nations (not necessary).
Determining that the Liberation of Magna Aurea is now unnecessary, as it clogs up the Security Council, does not protect non-raider natives, and has serves little purpose,

Ok, so this is just grammar at the end. Say "and serves little purpose", which would work.
HEREBY REPEALS SC #468 “Liberate Magna Aurea”

Use one or the other, not both. What I mean by that is either make all the sentence starters All-Caps or none of them.
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Postby Sentinels of the South » Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:49 pm

Fachumonn wrote:OK writing is reasonable so in the name of feedback:

Feedback has been taken, corrected the grammar, and took most the advice given. I chose to leave out the resolution tags for now as that's not functional forumside but I'll consider adding them if I do submit the proposal. I'd prefer to keep the line citing other examples, but if the consensus is it be dropped, I'm not against that either. Let me know if I missed anything, and thanks for the feedback!

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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:06 pm

I've adjusted the mis-aligned, and page-breaking BBCode for Fachumonn's post. Though I attempted to rearrange the post according to what I interpreted as the intent, that interpretation may be inaccurate.

Please remember to check that you are closing your tags in the parenthetical order you are opening them.

For example [tag a] [tag b] [tag c] your text [/tag c] [/tag b] [/tag a].
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Jan 07, 2025 5:09 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:I've adjusted the mis-aligned, and page-breaking BBCode for Fachumonn's post...

Oops, looks like someone was in a rush. :blink:
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Postby Sentinels of the South » Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:28 pm

I’m unsure if lack of support means I shouldn’t submit this, or the lack of opposition means I should. No offense but I don’t really take Soviet Union 2 Electric Boogaloo as a legitimate mark of opposition.

It’s been multiple days without feedback, and I do believe the end goal to simply repeal this resolution can be achieved with the current state of the proposal.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:33 pm

Recognizing that Liberations are passed with the hope of preventing invaders from passwording and seizing a region, a practice that effectively destroys their native population and community,

You have to seize a region before you can password it.

Determining that the Liberation of Magna Aurea is now unnecessary, as it clogs up the Security Council, does not protect non-raider natives, and serves no distinct purpose,

In what sense does this Liberation clog up the SC? Not a particularly good reason for repeal.
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Postby Sentinels of the South » Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:51 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:You have to seize a region before you can password it.

Will fix the order here, thx.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:In what sense does this Liberation clog up the SC? Not a particularly good reason for repeal.

In the same sense that SC #501 states "The belief that repeals of those Liberations described in (link) are themselves unnecessary and clog up the Security Council is proving increasingly popular."

I'm unsure if they refer to these proposals as they are in queue, or as resolutions. However I can remove that part of the draft altogether, the point I'm making is that this liberation is pointless and no longer needed, as its initial purpose was to support the real natives of Magna Aurea, and as the original proposal states, "Support the endeavors of Magna Aurea and its residents in whatever aim they choose, with the knowledge that their stories deserve to be written by their own directive, not under the duress of others."

These natives have since been run out of the region by hostile invaders, their stories and dialogue suppressed, and their region turned into a sad excuse for a trophy. I don't think this liberation has any merit now
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Postby Astrobolt » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:22 pm

Do any of the actual natives support this?
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Postby Aura Banitia » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:06 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Do any of the actual natives support this?


The natives do not support this. Our main nations reside in other regions, since we don't want to show any support for the raiders currently (and for the foreseeable future it seems). But as I understand it, that liberation icon is the only thing preventing a re-found. So it serves at least some purpose.

If you guys still want to send this repeal proposal forward, I guess there is nothing really standing in your way. Given the spectacular way in which we (I) lost the region over 1 year ago, clearly we aren't the most WA-literate bunch. But the natives are against it - for whatever that is worth.
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Postby Fachumonn » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:27 pm

Aura Banitia wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:Do any of the actual natives support this?


The natives do not support this. Our main nations reside in other regions, since we don't want to show any support for the raiders currently (and for the foreseeable future it seems). But as I understand it, that liberation icon is the only thing preventing a re-found. So it serves at least some purpose.

If you guys still want to send this repeal proposal forward, I guess there is nothing really standing in your way. Given the spectacular way in which we (I) lost the region over 1 year ago, clearly we aren't the most WA-literate bunch. But the natives are against it - for whatever that is worth.

While I gave feedback earlier, this seems like a pretty damning post. I would recommend dropping this.
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Postby Sentinels of the South » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:12 pm

Upon feedback from the natives, we will be dropping this proposal. Thank you for your feedback, regardless.


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