[PASSED] Commend Cassadaigua

[Outer Sparta]

The fact she hasn't already been commended astounds me. I came by the SC thread to say I cannot understand why people keep looking to right wrongs from 10+ years ago by condemning nations for things that 80% of current nations have zero knowledge. Cass has accomplished most of her legendary success more recently than things listed in the current proposal at vote.

Since I am the author of the proposal at vote (and the one before it), I really don't understand why so many people argument that "those actions happened long ago, so let's just forget them". It is still NationStates history that has an impact on today's existing communities. I am well aware NS Sports is one of the communities that doesn't get much attention in the SC, but that doesn't mean you should say other communities aren't important nor compare that they did more, since it's an entirely different way of playing. Now I don't want to threadjack Tin's thread, and I do support this commendation since I am in favor of the SC recognizing as many NS communities as it can, but just thought it'd be important to address this. If you want to discuss more about the at-vote proposal this let's do it in its own thread.

I think it's nice to appreciate the accomplishments of lesser-known communities and the players that comprise them such as NS Sports. Even if it happened a while ago, they still are significant and especially to the community that they are a part of. Overall, the nominee is commendable and the draft is well-written.

[Tinhampton]

All I will say for now is that nobody is obliged to write a resolution that - for whatever reason - they are unable or unwilling to write.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Much as I dislike your modus operandi within the WA Tin, this draft reads very well. I agree with Gio that NSS is an overlooked community in the SC. I would say this draft goes a long way to addressing that.

The fact she hasn't already been commended astounds me.

If she was that good why didn’t you get off your backside and draft a Commendation instead of sniping at Gameplayers.

Look Bhang. Or can I call you "Bhang". Or Chitty Chitty Bhang Bhang, of The West Pacific.
Why didn't you get off your backside to draft a Condemnation of your friend between 2005 and 2018, if it was that important for the ego of the rank and file of the TWP's nations?

And.
You plopped yourself into this thread for no good goddamn reason to accuse me of of "sniping at Gameplayers" like NSS is not Gameplaying.

Step Off.
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[New Visayan Islands]

Much as I dislike your modus operandi within the WA Tin, this draft reads very well. I agree with Gio that NSS is an overlooked community in the SC. I would say this draft goes a long way to addressing that.

If she was that good why didn’t you get off your backside and draft a Commendation instead of sniping at Gameplayers.

Look Bhang. Or can I call you "Bhang". Or Chitty Chitty Bhang Bhang, of The West Pacific.
Why didn't you get off your backside to draft a Condemnation of your friend between 2005 and 2018, if it was that important for the ego of the rank and file of the TWP's nations?

And.
You plopped yourself into this thread for no good goddamn reason to accuse me of of "sniping at Gameplayers" like NSS is not Gameplaying.

Step Off.
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New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator

[Ko-oren]

I fully support this, obviously.

That said: "INTRODUCING [nation=Cassadaigua] as the only nation to have won each of the five major single-sport competitions:" I can argue (and in the past, I have done exactly that) that calling those the (only) major tournaments (as the quote alludes, and as Electrum explained) is a slight on the other popular sports on NS Sports. It makes it look like you have to assemble a specific set of tournaments just to find a set that Cass won. This is more a nudge towards the fellow NS Sporters on here than towards the draft wording, though.

"INTRODUCING [nation=Cassadaigua] as the only nation to have won each of these major single-sport competitions:" would reflect that better, but I can live with the wording as is.

[Tinhampton]

snip

Some changes have been made.

[Dilber]

Much as I dislike your modus operandi within the WA Tin, this draft reads very well. I agree with Gio that NSS is an overlooked community in the SC. I would say this draft goes a long way to addressing that.

If she was that good why didn’t you get off your backside and draft a Commendation instead of sniping at Gameplayers.

Look Bhang. Or can I call you "Bhang". Or Chitty Chitty Bhang Bhang, of The West Pacific.
Why didn't you get off your backside to draft a Condemnation of your friend between 2005 and 2018, if it was that important for the ego of the rank and file of the TWP's nations?

And.
You plopped yourself into this thread for no good goddamn reason to accuse me of of "sniping at Gameplayers" like NSS is not Gameplaying.

Step Off.
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Selah

Kinda impressed you've so far talked me out of voting for it.

also, NSS isn't gameplay.

[Quintessence of Dust]

like NSS is not Gameplaying.

It absolutely is not, very thankfully. Why can't we just leave gameplay alone and they leave us alone?

[The Licentian Isles]

Cass is absolutely deserving of a commendation alongside other NSS users who have received commendations, she's made fantastic contributions to our community and deserves the recognition.

Also, for those who think it's alright to come in and just dismiss the effort that's been put in by the writer and the commendee by saying "who?" or "who cares?", you're contributing absolutely nothing to this conversation. If you've got a relevant point say it, if not then stay out rather than trying to wind up a whole bloody sub-forum with snarky fucking comments.

[Crazy girl]

Alright, everyone take a deep breath.

Sports players: welcome to the Security Council. Some snark may be flung around, and yes some people will wonder who this person is as
1. they didn't bother to read the proposal
2. they have forgotten there's other multiverses other than NS Gameplay.

Gameplayers: Not everyone knows how the SC works, and personally I feel it is nice to see others step into the SC rather than just us patting each other on the back (or stabbing, whichever you prefer).
Please try not to scare them off, thank you

[Outer Sparta]

Alright, everyone take a deep breath.

Sports players: welcome to the Security Council. Some snark may be flung around, and yes some people will wonder who this person is as
1. they didn't bother to read the proposal
2. they have forgotten there's other multiverses other than NS Gameplay.

Gameplayers: Not everyone knows how the SC works, and personally I feel it is nice to see others step into the SC rather than just us patting each other on the back (or stabbing, whichever you prefer).
Please try not to scare them off, thank you

I welcome any NS Sports regulars to come on and offer their feedback and experiences for SC resolutions concerning the topic. It also helps the rest of us get to know more about the NSS community and what kinds of accomplishments are made there. Even if some prominent people in NSS haven't gotten their accomplishments recognized dating back a decade ago, it's never too late to give them that recognition.

[Tinhampton]

Probably going to submit this on the 27th or 28th of October, if anybody has any more feedback.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

INTRODUCING [nation=Cassadaigua] as the only nation to have won all of the following five major single-sport competitions:

• the football World Cup (WC) at its 50th and 51st editions;
• the World Baseball Classic (WBC) at its 14th, 16th, 19th and 50th editions;
• the gridiron World Bowl at its 8th, 22nd and 40th editions;
• the International Basketball Championships (IBC) at their 13th edition; and
• the World Cup of Hockey (i.e. ice hockey) at its 11th and 39th editions;

Good intro, but every time I read the list I hear the voice of late, great Peter Cook as E. L. Wisty, also know as the most boring man in the world. Do we really need to know what editions they won. Can't you say they won it once, twice or thrice?

RECALLING that, while neither the first or the last to have done so, Cassadaigua remains one of the most successful nations to have fielded all-female teams in international competition (most notably their seven victorious squads in the WC, WBC and IBC); especially given its excellent yet ongoing progress towards achieving gender equality in a matriarchal framework, which has been spurred largely by a long-running non-violent movement known as Male Equality Now,

First part is fine, the highlighted part is just filler.

AWARE that many of Cassadaigua's iconic sportswomen continue to inspire women and girls everywhere to this day, including but by no means limited to:

• Courtney Ferguson, who captained the Cassadagan football team from their debut in 30th Baptism of Fire until their group stage exit at the 45th WC - delivering leadership without which Cassadaigua may well have been a nondescript and much-forgotten sporting nation - before serving as Nethertopia's assistant manager as they came third at the 51st WC);
• Jessica Schanke, a quietly confident player whose winning goal in the final of the 51st WC consolidated her reputation as perhaps Cassadaigua's best striker in their early years of success;
• Rachel Schanke, Jessica's granddaughter, who has captained the national football team since the 86th WC - where she scored three in their epic semifinal defeat to Nephara - and remains one of Cassadaigua's most prolific players of recent times;
• Hannah Ranucci, who started for Cassadaigua after its return from a years-long absence from football at the 78th WC, took over the captaincy before the start of the 81st and remained dangerous in front of goal until her retirement after the 84th WC; and
• Stacie Houston, who not only won the 7th series of the NSSCRA (the multiverse's leading stock car racing championship), but also established an eponymous Foundation which seeks to provide essential and targeted support for people with disabilities of all ages;

You have a closing parenthesis (highlighted), but no opening one in the first bullet point.

APPLAUDING the tireless work not only of the Concord Heights Times' journalists (Chelsea Dufresne foremost among them in recent years) but also, on many occasions, the blogs of many Cassadagan sportspeople themselves for helping to deliver to the multiverse unabashedly opinionated yet highly informative tales of Cassadaigua's triumphs, tragedies, successes and failures since time immemorial;

And then a complete non sequitur into something about the Concord Heights Times. You don't explain what this is or why it is Commendable - to me this just reads as filler.

RECOGNISING that Cassadaigua has successfully organised many enjoyable and well-run sporting events, most prominently:

• an astonishing six WBCs - second only to Newmanistan - with almost no outside help whatsoever: the 18th, 26th, 40th, 43rd, 45th and 50th;
• four WCs: the 54th (co-hosted with The Babbage Islands), 67th (with Equestrian States, now known as Equestria), 84th (with the Commonwealth of Baker Park) and 88th (with Chromatika);
• three Cups of Harmony, for the best football teams to have missed out on the WC: the 57th, 73rd (both co-hosted with Equestria) and 79th (with Northwest Kalactin); as well as
• hosting and helping interested nations sign up for the 9th Volleyball World Expo by themselves in 2020 - a tournament which had not been held in three years but which is now consistently being run for the first time since 2011-12;

NOTING that dedicated and reliable Cassadagan administrators have also served as:

• World Cup Committee Vice-President from the 55th to the 57th and then from the 61st to the 63rd WCs; where they oversaw host votes involving bids from the Presidents' home countries in each term, thus helping to prevent conflicts of interest that could have damaged trust in the Committee); and then
• WBC Council President from the 44th to the 46th and then from the 50th to the 52nd WBCs; where they distributed WBC signup forms, organised host votes, oversaw the induction of nations into the WBC's Council and Hall of Fame, and established an official World Baseball Classic mission for continuity purposes; and

OBSERVING that the multidisciplinary excellence of Cassadaigua, although matched by few (if any) in the sporting world, is respected by almost all nations which are aware of their contributions to international sports, and should similarly be appreciated by this august body:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Cassadaigua].

Debatable whether or not the highlighted points are really Commendable. You also have another end parenthesis without an opening one.

Overall, I would have just about recommended to Dilber that TWP support this. Of course the behaviour of one or two nations in this thread has put the kibosh on that.

[Tinhampton]

Do we really need to know what editions they won.

Why not?

RECALLING that, while neither the first or the last to have done so, Cassadaigua remains one of the most successful nations to have fielded all-female teams in international competition (most notably their seven victorious squads in the WC, WBC and IBC); especially given its excellent yet ongoing progress towards achieving gender equality in a matriarchal framework, which has been spurred largely by a long-running non-violent movement known as Male Equality Now,

First part is fine, the highlighted part is just filler.

So two-time SC author and NS Sports icon Electrum wanted me to include filler in my draft?

AWARE

You have a closing parenthesis (highlighted), but no opening one in the first bullet point.

Removed.

APPLAUDING the tireless work not only of the Concord Heights Times' journalists (Chelsea Dufresne foremost among them in recent years) but also, on many occasions, the blogs of many Cassadagan sportspeople themselves for helping to deliver to the multiverse unabashedly opinionated yet highly informative tales of Cassadaigua's triumphs, tragedies, successes and failures since time immemorial;

And then a complete non sequitur into something about the Concord Heights Times. You don't explain what this is or why it is Commendable - to me this just reads as filler.

As I said earlier, the CHT makes up a substantial part of all the posts that Cass has ever written - never mind all the roleplays she's ever done. This is supposed to be a Commendation for a prominent sports roleplayer; I don't consider shining a light on that RPer's most prominent forms of roleplay to be "filler."

RECOGNISING that Cassadaigua has successfully organised many enjoyable and well-run sporting events, most prominently... hosting and helping interested nations sign up for the 9th Volleyball World Expo by themselves in 2020 - a tournament which had not been held in three years but which is now consistently being run for the first time since 2011-12;

NOTING that dedicated and reliable Cassadagan administrators have also served as:

• World Cup Committee Vice-President from the 55th to the 57th and then from the 61st to the 63rd WCs; where they oversaw host votes involving bids from the Presidents' home countries in each term, thus helping to prevent conflicts of interest that could have damaged trust in the Committee); and then
• WBC Council President from the 44th to the 46th and then from the 50th to the 52nd WBCs; where they distributed WBC signup forms, organised host votes, oversaw the induction of nations into the WBC's Council and Hall of Fame, and established an official World Baseball Classic mission for continuity purposes; and

OBSERVING that the multidisciplinary excellence of Cassadaigua, although matched by few (if any) in the sporting world, is respected by almost all nations which are aware of their contributions to international sports, and should similarly be appreciated by this august body:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Cassadaigua].

Debatable whether or not the highlighted points are really Commendable. You also have another end parenthesis without an opening one.

Volleyball isn't the biggest or most prestigious sports on NS (that would be football, of course!) but I'd say Cass' work in organising VWE9 - in addition to the fact that the competition has consistently been organised since her revival (the final of the most recent VWE was scorinated two days ago) - have certainly raised its profile within the community.

The WBC is arguably the second-largest international single-sport competition - the World Cup being the largest, of course. (Refer to this excellent roleplay by Ko-oren.) There is no reason why Cass' service as a reliable and effective president of the WBC Council should not be included in her Commendation, especially since I talked earlier about her hosting more WBCs than anyone other than Newmanistan.

The cheeky little ) has been dealt with.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Do we really need to know what editions they won.

Why not?

Because it reads like a bloody dirge instead of a celebration.

First part is fine, the highlighted part is just filler.

So two-time SC author and NS Sports icon Electrum wanted me to include filler in my draft?

The “argument from authority” is a fairly crap form of reasoning.

And then a complete non sequitur into something about the Concord Heights Times. You don't explain what this is or why it is Commendable - to me this just reads as filler.

As I said earlier, the CHT makes up a substantial part of all the posts that Cass has ever written - never mind all the roleplays she's ever done. This is supposed to be a Commendation for a prominent sports roleplayer; I don't consider shining a light on that RPer's most prominent forms of roleplay to be "filler."

And nobody is going to go back and read your post if this gets to the vote. Without some form of explanation in the proposal it’s just going to read as filler.

Debatable whether or not the highlighted points are really Commendable. You also have another end parenthesis without an opening one.

Volleyball isn't the biggest or most prestigious sports on NS (that would be football, of course!) but I'd say Cass' work in organising VWE9 - in addition to the fact that the competition has consistently been organised since her revival (the final of the most recent VWE was scorinated two days ago) - have certainly raised its profile within the community.

The WBC is arguably the second-largest international single-sport competition - the World Cup being the largest, of course. (Refer to this excellent roleplay by Ko-oren.) There is no reason why Cass' service as a reliable and effective president of the WBC Council should not be included in her Commendation, especially since I talked earlier about her hosting more WBCs than anyone other than Newmanistan.

The cheeky little ) has been dealt with.

Fair enough.

[Tinhampton]

Free press good.

Still planning on submitting this in a few days.

[Tinhampton]

Proposal-A-Go-Go, because of course

[RiderSyl]

I'll always support a worthy NS Sports commend. Seeing people getting a badge for something outside the realm of NSGP is always a nice change of pace for the SC.

[Polomon Islands]

The commend is on.
Wonder what the results will be...

[Hapilopper]

The strongest support here, both IC and OOC. Cass kicks ass.

[Sincluda]

Very glad to be supporting this!

[Apatosaurus]

Yeah, full support.

[Penguin Dictators]

While I don't know Cassadaigua or anything about NSS, the proposal reads well and they sound very commendable.

Full support.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Look Bhang. Or can I call you "Bhang". Or Chitty Chitty Bhang Bhang, of The West Pacific.
Why didn't you get off your backside to draft a Condemnation of your friend between 2005 and 2018, if it was that important for the ego of the rank and file of the TWP's nations?

And.
You plopped yourself into this thread for no good goddamn reason to accuse me of of "sniping at Gameplayers" like NSS is not Gameplaying.

Step Off.
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Selah

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New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator

You didn't intervene for this:

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
If she was that good why didn’t you get off your backside and draft a Commendation instead of sniping at Gameplayers.

Which is not only blatantly false, but is surely not within the parameters of the debate on the resolution. It was certainly not even within the guise of roleplay, only the user's reaction to being contradicted.
Do I have rights in this forum? Actual rights? This seems like a case where the perpetrator gets away with the thing that the the reactor is punished for. Was the entire context of what was said taken into account?

The subsequent post that included things like "do we really need to know what editions they won?" is pretty rich when we are told in detail of the horrific crimes committed by those who are being condemned, usually involving mainly nations that have CTE'd.

This reminds me of how TNP regional government operated when I was in it--don't get involved if you're not in our clique.

I Accept my warning, I shall not transgress again.

[RiderSyl]

Support.

Do I have rights in this forum? Actual rights?

no