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Postby Boston Castle » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:27 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1606709607

Rule 3, Rule 4(b) at least. Maybe Rule 2 too.

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Postby Comfed » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:47 am

I think it was because people on the RMB weren’t nominating them for the Local Council elections.

Directed at Condemn Melicorium.
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Postby Praeceps » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:37 pm

Underneath the new ruleset, R2b for the "he".

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:24 pm

Under the new ruleset R2(a) for the several mentions of roleplay.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1610050511
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:49 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1610803400

Interpreting this repeal resolution as not just an apology, but an additional denunciation against all those who would seek to subscribe their regional communities to heinous ideologies

This clause from the linked proposal reads rather like some kind of perspective/new R1 violation due to the 'interpeting as not just an apology' (in that a proposal being an apology implies it to not be from the perspective of the WA) - I'm aware mods marked it legal, just wanted to check on this specific point anyways.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:55 am

I don't think it's a Rule 1a violation - while the text is likely meant by the author to be read as CCD apologising, it can also be read as the WA apologising (to CCD?), which would make it legal. We generally fall on the side of considering things legal if they can be read as legal (even if they could also be read in another way that would be illegal), with the exception of the new Rule 3.

That clause did give me some Rule 1e ("No further actions") concerns before I hit the legal button - as the second aspect could have been considered trying to do more than a Repeal can. However, it's not so much further actions that the proposal is doing, more that it's telling you how the text should be interpreted.

That's not really different to many regular proposals such as the current Liberation itself "Hoping to warn both Confederation of Corrupt Dictators and future regions from promoting fascism, other such ideologies, and blatant use of this Assembly as recruitment and ego-boosting;" - which again goes a little beyond just Liberating CCD but only to tell you to read the Liberation as a warning to others who might try the same actions that got CCD liberated.

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Postby Grishahakkaverchynot » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:08 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1611875208
Thaecia is not password-locked at all.
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Postby Comfed » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:54 pm

Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=cerdenia_1611875208
Thaecia is not password-locked at all.

You’re allowed to liberate a non-passworded region. It’s usually symbolic.
The proposal itself is bad, but not illegal.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:23 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: illu-chi_1612667282


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Condemn Chimes
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.
Category: Condemnation
Nominee (nation): Chimes
Proposed by: Illu-chi

Recognizing that Chimes has decided to go against the will of the people of the world assembly by voting against the repealing of the death penalty and not for it.
Recognizing that Chimes is part of a cult which votes against what everyone in the world assembly supports.
Recognizing that all chimes endorsers are bots.
Recognizing any evidence to the contrary is completely false.
The world assembly hereby condemns Chimes.

The SC ruleset is clear that "Violation of the Site Rules in a proposal may result in more serious punishment" than violating normal SC rules, "which can include ejection from the World Assembly" (and the now retired Compendium underscored that "If a proposal is flaming or trolling, it will be deleted").

Is the third clause's assertation that "all [C]himes endorsers are bots" a violation of the sitewide rule against trolling like other "All X Are Y"-style posts would be?
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Postby The Unified Missourtama States » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:07 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Is the third clause's assertation that "all [C]himes endorsers are bots" a violation of the sitewide rule against trolling like other "All X Are Y"-style posts would be?

I think in this context, "bots" is simply an r2a violation, regardless of whether it is some strange attempt at IC better handled through GHR.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:53 am

"all x are y" is just a format that some trolling posts fit into. It does not mean that any "all x are y" or even "all x are [something bad] y" posts are trolling.

No, that line is not trolling.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:49 am

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1613292473

R2(b) illegality - real world reference (the Trevor Project).

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Postby Crazy girl » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:06 am

And marked as such.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:00 am

I think it would be a good idea to pin this thread.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:26 am

Disagree - we tend to have 4 stickies (assuming there's an at-vote), which I feel is at the limit before people switch off and start ignoring them. This one isn't needed too often either.

Greater Cesnica wrote:I think it would be a good idea to pin this thread.

Why?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:58 am

Sedgistan wrote:Disagree - we tend to have 4 stickies (assuming there's an at-vote), which I feel is at the limit before people switch off and start ignoring them. This one isn't needed too often either.

Greater Cesnica wrote:I think it would be a good idea to pin this thread.

Why?

NCR's reasoning was:
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Greater Cesnica wrote:I think it would be prudent to pin this thread.

Yes, a case in point was my post above. To make it I had to dig through the threads all the way back to October.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:07 am

Well that's the GA one, not this. And if you have to dig back a few months, it's because it's a thread that isn't used much. So why pin it? It's not a timeless source of information like the rules thread, or list of passed resolutions. Posts here are rarely relevant after a couple of days.

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Postby Aredita » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:40 pm

I may be wrong, but I think this proposal is in violation of SC Guidelines. I'm thinking Rule 4 (C)? "You cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game."

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1613857695
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:41 pm

Aredita wrote:I may be wrong, but I think this proposal is in violation of SC Guidelines. I'm thinking Rule 4 (C)? "You cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game."

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1613857695

No, that's definitely in violation of rule 2(a) and 2(b), as it mentions the word "I" multiple times.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:26 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1614120231

Plagiarized from the now-repealed commendation of Northern Borland.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:29 am

Likewise also plagiarised from the now repealed “Commend North Borland”

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1614182963

They also seem to think that because it’s been repealed it’s fair game to use.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:46 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Likewise also plagiarised from the now repealed “Commend North Borland”

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1614182963

They also seem to think that because it’s been repealed it’s fair game to use.

Should that person get an expulsion from the WA since they have not learned to not plagiarize resolutions?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:55 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Likewise also plagiarised from the now repealed “Commend North Borland”

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1614182963

They also seem to think that because it’s been repealed it’s fair game to use.

Should that person get an expulsion from the WA since they have not learned to not plagiarize resolutions?

Different author to the one you reported OS.

Anyway, they’ve pulled it.
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