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Commend 1 very fast endotarter
A resolution to recognise outstanding achievement by a nation or region.
Category: Commendation
Nominee: 1 very fast endotarter


This Security Council,

Realizing that the collection of artwork is often a competitive pursuit that has resulted in market manipulation, counterfeiting, and other egregious deeds for the sake of individual recognition rather than the greater good of the collecting community,

Recognizing that 1 very fast endotarter (henceforth ‘r3n’) as the polar opposite of collectors who engage in such deeds,

Acknowledging r3n’s role in proposing the original concept of the The North Pacific Great Card Giveaway and Card Lottery, which was a successful experiment that showed the rest of the world the value of artwork in spurring regional development,

Further acknowledging r3n’s role in jointly proposing and drafting the legislation to co-found The North Pacific Cards Guild, the first organization of its kind and still the largest, inspiring other programs in other regions throughout the world,

Understanding that r3n has propelled the regional collection of The North Pacific Cards Guild to 5th in the multiverse, effectively creating an infinite stock of rewards to stimulate regional activity and World Assembly participation within The North Pacific,

Appreciating r3n’s role in the distribution of artwork rewards for The North Pacific Cards Guild, often gifting thousands of highly sought after pieces at a time, and also their role in acquiring specific artwork requests for those who are unable to collect on as large a scale,

Noting that, based on market value alone, the sum of all artwork donated to other nations by r3n is more valuable than the sixth most valuable collection in the world, indicating a remarkable amount of magnanimity and devotion to assisting nations wishing to obtain artwork,

Struggling to comprehend how r3n has managed to benevolently control more than 2 thousand satellite states in the pursuit of legendary artwork for an extended period of time to achieve the feats listed above,

Approving of r3n’s continued internal contributions as Deputy Guildmaster of The North Pacific Cards Guild, where they frequently provide technical infrastructure for various functions, suggest new programs, and give all-important feedback on nearly everything,

Impressed by the scholars within the nation that have proposed various quality of life and data acquisition suggestions to the greater community, many of which have been implemented,

Awed and slightly perplexed by the r3n-produced art-based tools that are utilized by an uncountable number of nations throughout the collecting community, such as:
  • An art queries system that enables complex filtered searching of more than 350 thousand known artworks, which is incredibly useful for collectors looking to find artwork with certain traits,
  • A publicly available market watch database that tracks important information such as daily trades data, artwork value statistics, and market volume, making it useful as both a historical reference and an investing tool;
Astounded by the continued maintenance of regional development programs by r3n, including but definitely not limited to:
  • A program that automatically generates lists of specific nations to be targeted for recruitment by The North Pacific, ensuring active nations can further participate and contribute to the region,
  • Programs to collate data related to dispatches and messages, as well as World Assembly votes and endorsements, ensuring that The North Pacific’s monthly Literary Awards and World Assembly Development Program Awards publish the most accurate data,
  • A program to ensure that nations in The North Pacific and Europeia may trade endorsements with all eligible nations efficiently, improving security within the regions,
Applauding r3n for their development of the Civil Defence Siren, a nation dedicated to maintaining a list of fascist regions and warning nations that join these regions to leave them, preventing unsuspecting nations from being indoctrinated into hateful ideologies,

Asserting that r3n is one of the most dedicated, selfless, and community driven nations to ever exist,

Commends 1 very fast endotarter.

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Postby Boston Castle » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:24 pm

Same grammatical nitpick I had on Prae's resolution. One clause, in this case the "Astounded" clause, has uncapitalized subclauses, while the other clauses with subclauses have the beginnings of their subclauses separated. I'd choose which way to go.
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:46 pm

While it's very well written, and has nothing to do with the other commendation this player received, I'm not sure if I can back it. For arguments sake I'll post the past commendation here. Again, this is well written Noah and I don't see any glaring issues popping up.

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Commend Renaissancistic People

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation | Nominee: Renaissancistic People | Proposed by: Kaboomlandia

Description: THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

BELIEVING that Renaissancistic People's impact on the nations and regions of NationStates are worthy of great respect and merit a commendation,

IMPRESSED with the tireless work of Renaissancistic People in furthering interregional diplomacy:

  • Served as a senior diplomatic advisor to several regions, including as the primary diplomatic advisor to successive Presidents in Europeia for three years;
  • Mentored new diplomats;
  • Served as the main negotiator in many interregional alliances and fostered strong new regional partnerships including regions such as Albion, The South Pacific, The North Pacific and Europeia;
  • One of the leaders in the establishment and spread of the Independent philosophy, and the primary author of the Independent Manifesto.

DOCUMENTING that Renaissancistic People also controls the nation HMS Unicorn, and it is through this nation that Renaissancistic People has had a large impact within The North Pacific:

  • Created the Ministry of Home Affairs, which has greatly increased forum activity and facilitated both forum and regional integration;
  • Served as delegate of the region for eight months, providing stability and growth through the World Assembly Development Programme, which they created;
  • Broke records for endorsement numbers, and holds the all-time feeder record of endorsement percentage at more than 85%;
  • Provided quality mentoring to a number of nations, allowing them to succeed in positions within the regional government;
  • Enlarged the region's Foreign Ministry and Army;
  • Implemented a more neutral foreign affairs policy that allowed the region to form diplomatic ties with regions of varying ideologies.

ADMIRING the administrative and technical efforts put forth by Renaissancistic People as a trusted administrator in several regions, including maintaining regional forums and coordinating critical recruitment, military, security, communications and development infrastructure,

CELEBRATING the legislative accomplishments of Renaissancistic People in many regions worldwide:

  • Served as the main legislator of Great Britain and Ireland, whose legal system served as an example for many other regions;
  • The main author of key legislative documents for The North Pacific, including citizenship reform and Regional Assembly protocols;
  • Large contributions to the legislation of The New Inquisition and ACCEL, with additional contributions to Osiris, The Land of Kings and Emperors, Europeia, and Balder; and
  • One of the pre-eminent legal scholars in NationStates, and served as the Chief Justice in seven different regions.

DOCUMENTING that Renaissancistic People has co-authored General Assembly Resolution #295 & Security Council Resolutions #147 & #151,

RECOGNIZING Renaissancistic People’s instrumental contributions in the creation and continued operation of the regional library of Great Britain and Ireland, which remains publicly available even though activity within the region has dwindled

BELIEVING that any nation that has had the impact that Renaissancistic People has had on the world should be officially recognized by the Security Council,

Hereby COMMENDS Renaissancistic People.

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Votes Against: 1,782

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Postby Refuge Isle » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:49 pm

Kuriko wrote:While it's very well written, and has nothing to do with the other commendation this player received, I'm not sure if I can back it. For arguments sake I'll post the past commendation here. Again, this is well written Noah and I don't see any glaring issues popping up.

Simply get r3n to refound so we can double-commend :lol:
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:10 pm

Kuriko wrote:While it's very well written, and has nothing to do with the other commendation this player received, I'm not sure if I can back it. For arguments sake I'll post the past commendation here. Again, this is well written Noah and I don't see any glaring issues popping up.

Hey, I helped too! >:(

Also I’d like clarification from the moderators if the clauses about the technical contributions duplicates this:

coordinating critical recruitment, military, security, communications and development infrastructure


Since that is rather vague compared to ours I’m not sure if it’s a rules violation so if the mods could weigh in on that it’ll be appreciated :)
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:13 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Hey, I helped too! >:(

I wrote the good parts
Boston Castle wrote:Same grammatical nitpick I had on Prae's resolution. One clause, in this case the "Astounded" clause, has uncapitalized subclauses, while the other clauses with subclauses have the beginnings of their subclauses separated. I'd choose which way to go.

Fixed. Blame the fruit.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:14 am

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Hey, I helped too! >:(

I wrote the good parts
Boston Castle wrote:Same grammatical nitpick I had on Prae's resolution. One clause, in this case the "Astounded" clause, has uncapitalized subclauses, while the other clauses with subclauses have the beginnings of their subclauses separated. I'd choose which way to go.

Fixed. Blame the fruit.
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Postby Daytime to Night » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:19 am

My only drafting comments are that this is quite a long proposal and there are a few clauses that I don't think need to be there

Struggling to comprehend how r3n has managed to benevolently control more than 2 thousand satellite states in the pursuit of legendary artwork for an extended period of time to achieve the feats listed above,


Maintaining 2,000 puppets isn't commendable material or particularly difficult. Their use of these puppets is an inherent part of the projects that R3n has carried out.

Recognizing that 1 very fast endotarter (henceforth ‘r3n’) as the polar opposite of collectors who engage in such deeds


I don't like this premise, other people bad = commend r3n for not being bad. I would instead base the premise of the resolution on the philanthropic (?) nature of r3n's contributions to the international community, their work to expand and develop important cultural institutions etc.

The switch to using r3n also feels quite abrupt and unexplained for anyone who isn't familiar. I would say something like 'known colloquially as r3n'?

Asserting that r3n is one of the most dedicated, selfless, and community driven nations to ever exist,


I never like these clauses, how can a nation be dedicated, selfless and community driven? All the adjectives are just slightly misdirected.

I don't think the clause needs rewording but instead the significance of these qualities and the actions they have produced needs to be emphasised in the clauses that cover that actual impact of this - rather than in a separate clause. It is a nice sentiment but fits uncomfortably in the resolution and needs to be better integrated.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:51 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Also I’d like clarification from the moderators if the clauses about the technical contributions duplicates this:

coordinating critical recruitment, military, security, communications and development infrastructure


Since that is rather vague compared to ours I’m not sure if it’s a rules violation so if the mods could weigh in on that it’ll be appreciated :)

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Postby Giovanniland » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:30 am

I would add that r3n owns nearly complete season 1 and season 2 collections of cards from the North Pacific; not as the main argument but as an additional clause (just like #313 "Commend The Salaxalans" mentioned the potato card collection). Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think I saw that anywhere in the proposal.
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Postby Starfyre » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:05 pm

Basically this boils down to R3n being commended a second time for writing scripts, which while admittedly was a small part of their first commendation it was still a part of it. If this passed it would be the first time someone has been commended twice I believe and mostly for the same thing, writing scripts. While I won't heavily stand in its way, I'm not sure I can back it like I said before. R3n is perhaps one of only 5 cards proposals that has the potential of passing, but it should be up to everyone on whether or not R3n's first commendation for writing scripts is enough or whether he deserves a second one.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:56 pm

Starfyre wrote:Basically this boils down to R3n being commended a second time for writing scripts, which while admittedly was a small part of their first commendation it was still a part of it. If this passed it would be the first time someone has been commended twice I believe and mostly for the same thing, writing scripts. While I won't heavily stand in its way, I'm not sure I can back it like I said before. R3n is perhaps one of only 5 cards proposals that has the potential of passing, but it should be up to everyone on whether or not R3n's first commendation for writing scripts is enough or whether he deserves a second one.

I think this should be thought of more as a cards commend than a scripts commend. Also, yes it is up to everyone to decide. That’s why we vote :p
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Starfyre wrote:Basically this boils down to R3n being commended a second time for writing scripts, which while admittedly was a small part of their first commendation it was still a part of it. If this passed it would be the first time someone has been commended twice I believe and mostly for the same thing, writing scripts. While I won't heavily stand in its way, I'm not sure I can back it like I said before. R3n is perhaps one of only 5 cards proposals that has the potential of passing, but it should be up to everyone on whether or not R3n's first commendation for writing scripts is enough or whether he deserves a second one.

r3n pushing cards as a way to promote regional activity within TNP is a large part of why the Cards Guild has been so successful, and also why card programs are popping up everywhere. These actions have helped build up the cards community as it stands today. For example, pull events were a guild activity that brought in a ton of activity across the cards community - without an organization like the Cards Guild to sponsor them, they would not have such an effect.
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Starfyre wrote:Basically this boils down to R3n being commended a second time for writing scripts, which while admittedly was a small part of their first commendation it was still a part of it. If this passed it would be the first time someone has been commended twice I believe and mostly for the same thing, writing scripts. While I won't heavily stand in its way, I'm not sure I can back it like I said before. R3n is perhaps one of only 5 cards proposals that has the potential of passing, but it should be up to everyone on whether or not R3n's first commendation for writing scripts is enough or whether he deserves a second one.

r3n pushing cards as a way to promote regional activity within TNP is a large part of why the Cards Guild has been so successful, and also why card programs are popping up everywhere. These actions have helped build up the cards community as it stands today. For example, pull events were a guild activity that brought in a ton of activity across the cards community - without an organization like the Cards Guild to sponsor them, they would not have such an effect.

I actually disagree on the idea that if it weren't for R3n certain aspects of the Cards section of NS wouldn't exist. There are a lot of smart, talented people out there that would, and have, come up with ideas on how to push the Cards community to greater heights. The way your proposal is written makes it sound like you're commending a nation that hasn't been commended before, which it hasn't, yet this player was commended under SC#214 for doing the same thing. That thing being writing scripts and pushing activities in TNP.

Using this metric, and if this passes, I would expect other players once commended to be commended a second time for the exact same things they were commended for before in their first commendations. For example, Imperium Anglorum has written 20 more GA resolutions since his first commendation three years ago, one SC resolution, and created the WA voting archives things he maintains. He was commended for GA writing, pushing activity in the GA, and his body of work in Europe. All things he's expanded upon in the last three years.

One glaring thing in the draft is that you don't even mention this player was commended once before, or link to the said resolution. I think that's a little disingenuous and doesn't display the whole story for the voters, to give them the greatest amount of information possible. The jump right into calling this nation R3n is quite abrupt, without explaining they had a former nation named Renaissancistic People.
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Postby Jakker » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 pm

On a personal level, I think it is totally fine for someone to have multiple commendations or condemnations if they have earned them. If players like IA or r3n were split into two seperate players, it would probably be regarded as different. I get the hesitation if the type of activity is similar to the first, but ultimately I feel like if their actions since their first warrants recognition then why not? I do agree though that mention of the first commendation is important and an explanation why their impact warrants another.
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Postby HumanSanity » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:10 pm

OOC: Some random thoughts and such --

A lot of vague concepts here need to be unpacked. For example, what is "regional development"? How have r3n's contributions through cards spurred "regional development"?

A contribution related to cards (and the TNP WADP) which r3n certainly deserves credit for and a clear way it benefits regional development is its security implications. The WADP has increased cross-endorsement rates in TNP. Why is that good? It's important for TNP's security model, which requires a high influence base in the region to deter and defeat a potential rogue Delegate. How have cards played into that? By attracting more nations to TNP and providing a tangible incentive for nations to stay highly cross-endorsed. The contributions outlined here have huge implications for TNP's regional security and can be unpacked more.

If part of what you want to talk about is international modeling, the WADP is certainly the model for TSP's SWAN, TEP's REWARD, and Balder's whatever it's called. Maybe cite those as specific examples to prove the broader point about international modeling.

However, if part of what you want to talk about is international modeling, I fail to see how TNP's Cards Guild (particularly in r3n's contributions to TNP's Cards Guild) has been modeled by other regions. No other region has had a card farm primarily sustained by one person which conducts regular giveaways for any prolonged period of time. The closest thing to that is when the cards program under XKI's Cultural Office was run by me alone with about 100 puppets, but that wasn't conducting regular giveaways and certainly wasn't applying them to WA cross-endorsement in the way TNP has. All of that a long way of saying: I'm not convinced of that particular claim. Part of this is due to the very high workload requirements involved in the way TNP's card program (and specifically r3n's part of it) works---it would be infeasible and not worth the time investment for any UCR and no other GCR uses quite the same security model as TNP, so it hasn't been worth it to develop TNP's style of program.
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Postby Morover » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:54 pm

I agree that if you go through with this, you need to mention their first nation. Perhaps something to the effect of "Recognizing the government of 1vfe contains the same administration as the previously-commended and now-defunct Renaissancistic People..." and then an explanation for why a second commendation is needed.

I also have no idea if r3n is deserving of a second badge - I think in extreme circumstances, it's permissible (in fact IA may be getting there), but it has to be when they have done exponentially more work than initially got them their first recognition. While I know r3n is an incredibly competent, influential, and overall powerful force on the game, is he the largest contributor to the game? I think that him receiving a double-commendation would imply that and I want you to think hard on that. I'm not saying r3n isn't these things, but it's certainly a heavy question.

Another option (one that I admittedly haven't done too much research as to its feasibility) is to repeal his current commend and re-commend him, expanding the content of this one to contain the previous one, as more of an update than anything else. If you choose to do this route, you can approach me for help if you feel it necessary - I know I'm one of the only people in the SC to do a repeal-and-replace, the other being Kuriko with Macedon but even that was a bit different than traditional R-n-R's in the GA. I think that this is accurate, at least!

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Morover wrote:While I know r3n is an incredibly competent, influential, and overall powerful force on the game, is he the largest contributor to the game? I think that him receiving a double-commendation would imply that and I want you to think hard on that. I'm not saying r3n isn't these things, but it's certainly a heavy question.

Another option (one that I admittedly haven't done too much research as to its feasibility) is to repeal his current commend and re-commend him, expanding the content of this one to contain the previous one, as more of an update than anything else. If you choose to do this route, you can approach me for help if you feel it necessary - I know I'm one of the only people in the SC to do a repeal-and-replace, the other being Kuriko with Macedon but even that was a bit different than traditional R-n-R's in the GA. I think that this is accurate, at least!


I have never been a fan of the repeal and replace method, especially if it is simply for the purpose of adding on to a previous resolution. I also don't know if it makes sense to make commendations and condemnations out to be bigger than they are. Yes, they are important and yes, they showcase a player's impact on the game but I don't think having two is implying that someone is the largest contributor to the game. Milograd was condemned twice and held both at the same time. Yes, they were for different actions (one was for RP and one was for GP), but I don't think anyone saw it as implying that they were the top contributor of the game (but obviously a great player). And I don't think it makes sense to regard a difference between someone who receives multiple badges because they made impacts in different areas of the game at different times versus doing super well in one area multiple times since most badges these days discuss a player's contributions to multiple areas of the game anyway.

The reality is that as the SC gets older, it will be natural for great players to warrant multiple commendations/condemnations as long as they continue to contribute to the game. In my mind, they more so indicate the progression of the SC and the length of a player's impact over that time. This will give a bit of a bias to players that were more active during the time of the SC versus older players who made their impact before the fact, but I think that is how the SC has always worked to a degree with the current impact of that player sometimes playing a role.

There might be an argument that authors will then strategically write proposals that have purposely less content of the nominee's actions with the hopes of writing another resolution later and I think that is totally fine. That is just a risk that the author is taking (do I go really hard on this proposal to make sure it passes or not include everything to open up the possibility of another for the player later on?) This same argument goes for players who likely deserve a commendation and a condemnation. Obviously, there will not be everything in either one proposal and if one has both badges, it simply means that someone has made notable impact that is regarded as IC commendable and IC condemnable.

In looking over the past resolutions, there does not seem to be too many players in my mind that immediately screams a second commendation/condemnation simply because most have not done enough in my mind since their first resolution to warrant a second. But that is simply because it is really hard to make impactful contributions to the game for a long period of time. We should be rewarding sustained impact with multiple resolutions. I just don't understand the logic of "we think this player has done so much in the game that deserves recognition since their first commendation so we are going to repeal their old one and just write it again." So if people feel like r3n's actions since their last commendation is notable enough to warrant a second commendation, then let the WA and see.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:48 pm

Starfyre wrote:
Using this metric, and if this passes, I would expect other players once commended to be commended a second time for the exact same things they were commended for before in their first commendations. For example, Imperium Anglorum has written 20 more GA resolutions since his first commendation three years ago, one SC resolution, and created the WA voting archives things he maintains. He was commended for GA writing, pushing activity in the GA, and his body of work in Europe. All things he's expanded upon in the last three years.


Unironically I’d like to IA to have a second commendation.
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Honeydewistania wrote:
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Using this metric, and if this passes, I would expect other players once commended to be commended a second time for the exact same things they were commended for before in their first commendations. For example, Imperium Anglorum has written 20 more GA resolutions since his first commendation three years ago, one SC resolution, and created the WA voting archives things he maintains. He was commended for GA writing, pushing activity in the GA, and his body of work in Europe. All things he's expanded upon in the last three years.


Unironically I’d like to IA to have a second commendation.

Tinhampton recently attempted this. To my knowledge, it was cancelled when IA declined the second nomination.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:45 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:
Unironically I’d like to IA to have a second commendation.

Tinhampton recently attempted this. To my knowledge, it was cancelled when IA declined the second nomination.

That was in January and was quite poorly written though, so maybe IA’s opinion has changed. Anyways getting a bit off topic here.

I agree that at least acknowledging that r3n has been commended but they’ve done so much since it’s passage etc
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:13 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:-snip-

All good feedback, thanks.
Giovanniland wrote:I would add that r3n owns nearly complete season 1 and season 2 collections of cards from the North Pacific; not as the main argument but as an additional clause (just like #313 "Commend The Salaxalans" mentioned the potato card collection). Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think I saw that anywhere in the proposal.

I'll add this as a small note somewhere, it is definitely a feat worth mentioning.
Starfyre wrote:Basically this boils down to R3n being commended a second time for writing scripts
...this player was commended under SC#214 for doing the same thing. That thing being writing scripts and pushing activities in TNP.

SC#214 spends nearly all of its time discussing GP/diplomacy/SC writing, with a single line vaguely referencing any sort of scripts. You even admit it yourself. Regardless, this commendation is intended to be about cards. Sure, TNP has benefitted greatly from r3n, but so has the cards community as a whole. Nearly everything present in this commendation has to do with cards - something that didn't even exist when the original commendation passed. The fact that r3n is a player who stands out in the cards community should say enough already.
One glaring thing in the draft is that you don't even mention this player was commended once before, or link to the said resolution. I think that's a little disingenuous and doesn't display the whole story for the voters, to give them the greatest amount of information possible. The jump right into calling this nation R3n is quite abrupt, without explaining they had a former nation named Renaissancistic People.

Agreed, I'll make that change.
HumanSanity wrote:However, if part of what you want to talk about is international modeling, I fail to see how TNP's Cards Guild (particularly in r3n's contributions to TNP's Cards Guild) has been modeled by other regions. No other region has had a card farm primarily sustained by one person which conducts regular giveaways for any prolonged period of time. The closest thing to that is when the cards program under XKI's Cultural Office was run by me alone with about 100 puppets, but that wasn't conducting regular giveaways and certainly wasn't applying them to WA cross-endorsement in the way TNP has. All of that a long way of saying: I'm not convinced of that particular claim. Part of this is due to the very high workload requirements involved in the way TNP's card program (and specifically r3n's part of it) works---it would be infeasible and not worth the time investment for any UCR and no other GCR uses quite the same security model as TNP, so it hasn't been worth it to develop TNP's style of program.

I think you're missing the point here. Obviously, other regional card programs were adapted to the needs of the region. However, the guild was undeniably the first, and for a decent chunk of time, the only regional card program. TNP's investment in a cards program (r3n's idea) paid off, and it's no coincidence that other regions adopted card programs of their own soon after.
Morover wrote:I also have no idea if r3n is deserving of a second badge - I think in extreme circumstances, it's permissible (in fact IA may be getting there), but it has to be when they have done exponentially more work than initially got them their first recognition. While I know r3n is an incredibly competent, influential, and overall powerful force on the game, is he the largest contributor to the game? I think that him receiving a double-commendation would imply that and I want you to think hard on that. I'm not saying r3n isn't these things, but it's certainly a heavy question.

I don't interpret commendations like this. Jakker has already made my points in their own response, so I'll leave it at that.

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Postby HumanSanity » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:17 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:I think you're missing the point here. Obviously, other regional card programs were adapted to the needs of the region. However, the guild was undeniably the first, and for a decent chunk of time, the only regional card program. TNP's investment in a cards program (r3n's idea) paid off, and it's no coincidence that other regions adopted card programs of their own soon after.

OOC: If that's your point, you need to defeat the inevitability argument that Starfyre made -- I am fully convinced regional cards programs would have been inevitable, but perhaps not the way r3n did them. What part of how r3n structured TNP's cards program spurred development of programs elsewhere? Why was that part of how the cards program was structured important for other regional card programs? Can you point to proof the idea for TNP's cards program belonged to r3n and those specific part(s) of TNP's cards program inspired by r3n were adopted by other regions? There's just details that need to be fleshed out here.

To round it out, this is why I think regional stability in TNP (a very Commendable thing directly linked to WADP and the Cards Lotteries, which are directly linked to r3n) should be impacted in the proposal.
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Postby The Unified Missourtama States » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:44 am

r3n is certainly commendable again. Let's fix this proposal then:
Noahs Second Country wrote:Realizing that the collection of artwork is often a competitive pursuit that has resulted in market manipulation, counterfeiting, and other egregious deeds for the sake of individual recognition rather than the greater good of the collecting community,

Recognizing that 1 very fast endotarter (henceforth ‘r3n’) as the polar opposite of collectors who engage in such deeds,

This claim is misleading, it can very easily be read as that r3n has never contributed to inflation or in TCALS abuse, which is not true, the syntax needs to be changed to reflect that, or maybe drop the manipulation thing altogether, and instead just say they did a lot for the community.
Acknowledging r3n’s role in proposing the original concept of the The North Pacific Great Card Giveaway and Card Lottery, which was a successful experiment that showed the rest of the world the value of artwork in spurring regional development,

Further acknowledging r3n’s role in jointly proposing and drafting the legislation to co-found The North Pacific Cards Guild, the first organization of its kind and still the largest, inspiring other programs in other regions throughout the world,

These can be meshed together into one clause.
Understanding that r3n has propelled the regional collection of The North Pacific Cards Guild to 5th in the multiverse, effectively creating an infinite stock of rewards to stimulate regional activity and World Assembly participation within The North Pacific,

Commends based on regional contributions are fine, but this clause does not describe an internal change that had a positive external change like creating stability, or defense from raiders for other regions.
Struggling to comprehend how r3n has managed to benevolently control more than 2 thousand satellite states in the pursuit of legendary artwork for an extended period of time to achieve the feats listed above,

I believe it was you who told me "Harmonic Empire, Koem Kab, r3n, etc. all have thousands of puppets to their names but I would not consider a c/c for any of them (at least based on puppet count alone). With autologin scripts, managing such a large number is not particularly difficult." As of now I see no reason for this clause then.

The continuing bottom half is mostly very good, and contains the majority of the commendable material, mostly in the artwork community.
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