"Condemn Nazi Europa"

[Aussandries]

Hey guys, would love some feedback on my draft proposal before I put it in front of the WA - it is a serious issue, so please help me with it, and later approve it, thanks!

"Condemn Nazi Europa"
BELIEVING that Nazism and Fascism, in all its forms, is a blight on this world, and that only by firm action can we deter and show our dissatisfaction with them:
THIS MOTION WOULD CONDEMN Nazi Europa.

1)Nazi Europa has recently been threatening other regions, specifically The Slide Countries with invasion, for the simple act of removing embassies due to democratic process. These threats have forced The Slide Countries to take internal action on reducing the power of potentially unstable positions, to the detriment of individual nations.
2) Nazi Europa is ruled with an Iron Fist by a group of unaccountable nations with no scrutiny and with no democratic process.
3) They have harassed a diplomat in public, and increased tensions needlessly when appeasement was offered.
4) They have infiltrated an innocent nation to further their cause.

And, on a separate note, that they have used military force on a number of regions not listed in Security Council Resolution # 246 "Liberate Nazi Europa", bringing further suffering to freedom-loving regions and their members, as well as spreading Nazism on a wider scale.
In the light of their political ideologies and acts, this legislature would bring public shame upon them, and the scrutiny of the international community, which would aid an innocent region in a difficult situation.
HEREBY CONDEMMING Nazi Europa

[Kaboomlandia]

No. They don’t deserve this attention. They got a liberation (ill advised, but that’s another story) and haven’t popped up in months.

[Aussandries]

No. They don’t deserve this attention. They got a liberation (ill advised, but that’s another story) and haven’t popped up in months.

bollocks - they are threatening my region, and this is the very purpose of the WA!

[Kaboomlandia]

No. They don’t deserve this attention. They got a liberation (ill advised, but that’s another story) and haven’t popped up in months.

bollocks - they are threatening my region, and this is the very purpose of the WA!

You’re the founder. You have unlimited power. They’re not gonna raid you and if they do you can just kick the invaders out.

[Aussandries]

bollocks - they are threatening my region, and this is the very purpose of the WA!

You’re the founder. You have unlimited power. They’re not gonna raid you and if they do you can just kick the invaders out.

The point is the principle. No region should feel threatened by another, if the WA Security Council exists to stop this

[Kuriko]

You’re the founder. You have unlimited power. They’re not gonna raid you and if they do you can just kick the invaders out.

The point is the principle. No region should feel threatened by another, if the WA Security Council exists to stop this

The WA SC can't stop it, it has no real power.

[Aussandries]

The point is the principle. No region should feel threatened by another, if the WA Security Council exists to stop this

The WA SC can't stop it, it has no real power.

yes im aware of this - im essentially meta gaming but it is still something I wish to see published, dunno y u lot r making such a big deal about the ins and outs of WA life - I have been on NationStates for about 4 years now... so I know at least a bit of how to play XD

[WayNeacTia]

No. They don’t deserve this attention. They got a liberation (ill advised, but that’s another story) and haven’t popped up in months.

bollocks - they are threatening my region, and this is the very purpose of the WA!

You are the founder of your region and have a non-exec delegate. They can't do shit to your region so stop with unnecessary drama. No one is going to vote to condemn them as it gives them way more attention than they need.

[Aussandries]

bollocks - they are threatening my region, and this is the very purpose of the WA!

You are the founder of your region and have a non-exec delegate. They can't do shit to your region so stop with unnecessary drama. No one is going to vote to condemn them as it gives them way more attention than they need.

And this is the problem with the beurocratic nature of the WA! Cmon peeps - People in my country voted for Brexit to stop unelected beurocrats having all of the power (forgetting o'course that the house of lords is a thing.... ill say no more) - but this shouldn't happen in an online game, we should and must be better than this.

[Kuriko]

You are the founder of your region and have a non-exec delegate. They can't do shit to your region so stop with unnecessary drama. No one is going to vote to condemn them as it gives them way more attention than they need.

And this is the problem with the beurocratic nature of the WA! Cmon peeps - People in my country voted for Brexit to stop unelected beurocrats having all of the power (forgetting o'course that the house of lords is a thing.... ill say no more) - but this shouldn't happen in an online game, we should and must be better than this.

WA Delegates are elected twice a day >·>

[Aussandries]

And this is the problem with the beurocratic nature of the WA! Cmon peeps - People in my country voted for Brexit to stop unelected beurocrats having all of the power (forgetting o'course that the house of lords is a thing.... ill say no more) - but this shouldn't happen in an online game, we should and must be better than this.

WA Delegates are elected twice a day >·>

okay? ...

[The Stalker]

Aussandries, guessing you're a little new to the SC.

Contrary to what you might think, Condemnations are seen as badges of honor. So if Nazi Europa is hassling your region, you wouldn't want to reward them with a Condemnation right?

This is why we do liberations instead. Regions don't like them, and they provide a warning to others about the region, with the added bonus of potentially harming the region should it become founderless.

[WayNeacTia]

o liberations instead. Regions don't like them, and they provide a warning to others about the region, with the added bonus of potentially harming the region should it become founderless.

No they don't. They are an abuse of the liberation function and devalue it's actual usefulness when a region is under serious threat.

[The Stalker]

o liberations instead. Regions don't like them, and they provide a warning to others about the region, with the added bonus of potentially harming the region should it become founderless.

No they don't. They are an abuse of the liberation function and devalue it's actual usefulness when a region is under serious threat.

A bit off topic to debate liberation use, but personally I don't see only one use for a liberations. I don't think people would be less likely to approve a liberation to help a founderless region because aggressive liberations exist.

Aggressive liberations have been around for some time now, and for some regions like confederation corrupt dictators, I feel it it helpful to serve as a warning to newer nations who don't know CCD's history.

I wouldn't want to see CCD rewarded with a condemning, nor would I want to see CCD without a warning stamped on it. Therefore a liberation is the best option in my opinion. Without such a warning I would have concern for younger players unaware being indoctrinated into fascist ideals. Regions like theirs need warning sign.

[WayNeacTia]

No they don't. They are an abuse of the liberation function and devalue it's actual usefulness when a region is under serious threat.

Aggressive liberations have been around for some time now, and for some regions like confederation corrupt dictators, I feel it it helpful to serve as a warning to newer nations who don't know CCD's history.

Show me a single offensive liberation that has actually achieved anything. The CCD liberation has done nothing but make them more vocal and actually caused their region to grow. Seems like it was fairly counter-intuitive.

[The Stalker]

Aggressive liberations have been around for some time now, and for some regions like confederation corrupt dictators, I feel it it helpful to serve as a warning to newer nations who don't know CCD's history.

Show me a single offensive liberation that has actually achieved anything. The CCD liberation has done nothing but make them more vocal and actually caused their region to grow. Seems like it was fairly counter-intuitive.

It serves as warning, if even just one out of a hundred possible recruits decide not to join because of that warning I call it a win.

I find it odd you don't think we should warn new and younger players about the perils of regions like theirs.

[Bormiar]

Show me a single offensive liberation that has actually achieved anything. The CCD liberation has done nothing but make them more vocal and actually caused their region to grow. Seems like it was fairly counter-intuitive.

It serves as warning, if even just one out of a hundred possible recruits decide not to join because of that warning I call it a win.

I find it odd you don't think we should warn new and younger players about the perils of regions like theirs.

What about recruits that join because of the controversy?

[The Stalker]

It serves as warning, if even just one out of a hundred possible recruits decide not to join because of that warning I call it a win.

I find it odd you don't think we should warn new and younger players about the perils of regions like theirs.

What about recruits that join because of the controversy?

Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH don't seem to be growing much because of their liberations. CCD grows because it recruits.

So the bulk of recruits is from telegrams, not controversy, therefore I really feel there needs to be a warning. I believe TNP even warns new nations about CCD in their welcome telegrams.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Hey guys, would love some feedback on my draft proposal before I put it in front of the WA - it is a serious issue, so please help me with it, and later approve it, thanks!

"Condemn Nazi Europa"
BELIEVING that Nazism and Fascism, in all its forms, is a blight on this world, and that only by firm action can we deter and show our dissatisfaction with them:
THIS MOTION WOULD CONDEMN Nazi Europa.

1)Nazi Europa has recently been threatening other regions, specifically The Slide Countries with invasion, for the simple act of removing embassies due to democratic process. These threats have forced The Slide Countries to take internal action on reducing the power of potentially unstable positions, to the detriment of individual nations.
2) Nazi Europa is ruled with an Iron Fist by a group of unaccountable nations with no scrutiny and with no democratic process.
3) They have harassed a diplomat in public, and increased tensions needlessly when appeasement was offered.
4) They have infiltrated an innocent nation to further their cause.

And, on a separate note, that they have used military force on a number of regions not listed in Security Council Resolution # 246 "Liberate Nazi Europa", bringing further suffering to freedom-loving regions and their members, as well as spreading Nazism on a wider scale.
In the light of their political ideologies and acts, this legislature would bring public shame upon them, and the scrutiny of the international community, which would aid an innocent region in a difficult situation.
HEREBY CONDEMMING Nazi Europa

This is not a particularly well written draft and just focuses on your region’s interactions with the nominee. No real research into what else NE may have done which may have helped your cause.

Overall no support from me and the fact that you had an embassy with the nominated region, well lie down in the mud you’re going to get dirty.

[WayNeacTia]

Show me a single offensive liberation that has actually achieved anything. The CCD liberation has done nothing but make them more vocal and actually caused their region to grow. Seems like it was fairly counter-intuitive.

It serves as warning, if even just one out of a hundred possible recruits decide not to join because of that warning I call it a win.

I find it odd you don't think we should warn new and younger players about the perils of regions like theirs.

Oh, I fully believe we should be warning new nations about regions like those. Liberating them doesn't do that though, as most new players have no idea what a liberation is, nor do they read the passed resoultions. So it is pointless. CDS telegrams probably deter more people from those regions than their liberation's ever have.

[The Stalker]

It serves as warning, if even just one out of a hundred possible recruits decide not to join because of that warning I call it a win.

I find it odd you don't think we should warn new and younger players about the perils of regions like theirs.

Oh, I fully believe we should be warning new nations about regions like those. Liberating them doesn't do that though, as most new players have no idea what a liberation is, nor do they read the passed resoultions. So it is pointless. CDS telegrams probably deter more people from those regions than their liberation's ever have.

I agree most probably don't read the liberation, but some do, and in my opinion it is better to at least have some kind of warning.

[The Right of Might]

Oh, I fully believe we should be warning new nations about regions like those. Liberating them doesn't do that though, as most new players have no idea what a liberation is, nor do they read the passed resoultions. So it is pointless. CDS telegrams probably deter more people from those regions than their liberation's ever have.

I agree most probably don't read the liberation, but some do, and in my opinion it is better to at least have some kind of warning.

im sorry kr has a bad past but i swear some folks are nice here

[Kaboomlandia]

Aggressive liberations have been around for some time now, and for some regions like confederation corrupt dictators, I feel it it helpful to serve as a warning to newer nations who don't know CCD's history.

Show me a single offensive liberation that has actually achieved anything. The CCD liberation has done nothing but make them more vocal and actually caused their region to grow. Seems like it was fairly counter-intuitive.

NSIA.

They can work. Just not when they’re spammed at every foundered region.