[NOT NEEDED/ABANDONED] Liberate Northern Redlands

[Novum Vallis]

I was talking about every single member of their region. I never said they were happy with every region. Also, Femdom empire might have simply been a bizarre parody. Either way no fascist region would identify as Egalitarian (not even Femdom Empire), but this region also has that tag.

No, I meant that earlier, a member of the region stated that they were happy with every region, their reason for embassies with fascists. But if that was the case, why'd they have anti-communist tagged on them? Are they against communsim?

Hey, member of Northern Redlands here. I am a liberal. My nation is liberal. I am an anti-fascist. My nation fights fascism. My leader is a social democrat. There are over ten roleplayers in the region just like me. There are around thirty roleplayers in our region.

End this draft. Don't further your humiliation. Please.

[Schnoidland]

I was talking about every single member of their region. I never said they were happy with every region. Also, Femdom empire might have simply been a bizarre parody. Either way no fascist region would identify as Egalitarian (not even Femdom Empire), but this region also has that tag.

No, I meant that earlier, a member of the region stated that they were happy with every region, their reason for embassies with fascists. But if that was the case, why'd they have anti-communist tagged on them? Are they against communsim?

We allow people to RP communist nations. In fact, there was a nation called Communist Erbok that existed within the region for 334 days without any problems. They were indeed communist. Furthermore, there are literally no banned countries from our region.

That said, we don't appreciate IRL communists that insist on inserting their belief into every conversation, which happens quite a bit. If everybody that called themselves Christian felt the belief to insert their belief into every conversation, our region would likely be tagged as Anti-Christian, as well.

[Honeydewistania]

I support this proposal. I mean, an embassy with a region that has Nazi in their name. An embassy with Nazi Europa, you'd have to be pretty darn fascist.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

Any comments on the content of the proposal or the wording?

[Novum Vallis]

I support this proposal. I mean, an embassy with a region that has Nazi in their name. An embassy with Nazi Europa, you'd have to be pretty darn fascist.

Wow! We're linked with Nazi Europa! So what? We still allow anti-fascists into our region.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I support this proposal. I mean, an embassy with a region that has Nazi in their name. An embassy with Nazi Europa, you'd have to be pretty darn fascist.

Wow! We're linked with Nazi Europa! So what? We still allow anti-fascists into our region.

But you also allow Fascists into your region...

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Wow! We're linked with Nazi Europa! So what? We still allow anti-fascists into our region.

But you also allow Fascists into your region...

Even if so, it still does not make this region a fascist region nor is it on par with something like Nazi Europa, especially when such ideologies are being challenged in a debate. Let's not liberate this region just because it does not meet antifa's standards.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

If there aren't any more questions, I shall be submitting this soon.

Even if so, it still does not make this region a fascist region nor is it on par with something like Nazi Europa, especially when such ideologies are being challenged in a debate. Let's not liberate this region just because it does not meet antifa's standards.

The thing is, fascism is a disgusting ideology. It should not be anywhere on NationStates. Having an embassy with a NAZI region will qualify Northern Redlands as friends with fascists. We need Antifa to get rid of fascist scum. We can't let regions of the hook because it's only a small embassy or iwe allow anti-fascists as well. NO FASCISM.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The thing is, fascism is a disgusting ideology.

So is communism, especially Stalinism but that is not considered a problem. I never said fascism was good either, because it is terrible. I'm just not going to side with a bunch of communists.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

The thing is, fascism is a disgusting ideology.

So is communism, especially Stalinism but that is not considered a problem. I never said fascism was good either, because it is terrible. I'm just not going to side with a bunch of communists.

Antifa aren't communists. Antifa = Anti-Fascists. Many right-wingers are against fascism.
I don't want to get into an argument on ideology, so I'll stop here.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Antifa aren't communists. Antifa = Anti-Fascists. Many right-wingers are against fascism.

Yes, but they do not identify as "antifa" though. I've also seen many people claim that the region is not communist, and the people who are the most vocal about it turn out to be communist.

I don't want to get into an argument on ideology, so I'll stop here.

Don't worry. I know that this isn't NS General. I'll stop too.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

Any suggestions on the wording or the content? Or is it all good?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

Agreed. Unfortunately, the idea of not forcing your own policies on others is alien to some people. Sovereignty be damned.

[Honeydewistania]

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

Ridiculous offensive liberation? Offensive liberations are inportant, especially in the case of Liberate The NSIA, where the liberation actually remived a password and allowed antifa in. The case is the dame in this proposal.

[Kaboomlandia]

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

This comment right here is why I have fought so vehemently against the pointless libs against foundered regions. They’ve poisoned the well for situations like this where one would actually be useful, because people can’t tell the difference. Using a liberation against a region that has already lost its founder for good is a useful strategic move. Using one against a foundered region with triple digit endorsements is a waste of time.

[Benjabobaria]

While I think it's stupid for Northern Redlands to have embassies with unsavory fascist regions, I don't really think that is a warrant for its destruction. Against.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

Ridiculous offensive liberation? Offensive liberations are inportant, especially in the case of Liberate The NSIA, where the liberation actually remived a password and allowed antifa in. The case is the dame in this proposal.

Against. This is another ridiculous offensive liberation, if people stopped getting angry for no reason it might make them happier...

This comment right here is why I have fought so vehemently against the pointless libs against foundered regions. They’ve poisoned the well for situations like this where one would actually be useful, because people can’t tell the difference. Using a liberation against a region that has already lost its founder for good is a useful strategic move. Using one against a foundered region with triple digit endorsements is a waste of time.

You are both suggesting something I fail to understand.
How is allowing a raider organisation with a more than 10 year history of griefing regions, while propagandising their victims as the aggressor, to continue their empire-building something the WA should be supporting?
Antifa is not some white knight, crusading against injustice. Antifa is an openly expansionist organisation, who boast about their conquests and threaten all who do not subscribe to their ideology. They are, I believe, quite what the international community should be condemning rather than continuing to enable.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

Ridiculous offensive liberation? Offensive liberations are inportant, especially in the case of Liberate The NSIA, where the liberation actually remived a password and allowed antifa in. The case is the dame in this proposal.

This comment right here is why I have fought so vehemently against the pointless libs against foundered regions. They’ve poisoned the well for situations like this where one would actually be useful, because people can’t tell the difference. Using a liberation against a region that has already lost its founder for good is a useful strategic move. Using one against a foundered region with triple digit endorsements is a waste of time.

You are both suggesting something I fail to understand.
How is allowing a raider organisation with a more than 10 year history of griefing regions, while propagandising their victims as the aggressor, to continue their empire-building something the WA should be supporting?
Antifa is not some white knight, crusading against injustice. Antifa is an openly expansionist organisation, who boast about their conquests and threaten all who do not subscribe to their ideology. They are, I believe, quite what the international community should be condemning rather than continuing to enable.

So... we have to feel sorry for fascists now? Fascists who have spent years and years in NationStates spreading hateful ideology, raiding regions and trolling? Antifa is an organisation for the greater good. The Red Fleet and The MT Army are commended by the Security Council, and you’re blabbing away at how the security council should HELP FASCISM!? You need a dose of reality check, Mr Vakolicci. People like you are why fascism continues to roam around and spread its filth. You aren’t fascist, but you aren’t standing up to them. We’re talking about a region that enables people who glorify the massacre of Jews to post on their message board.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You are both suggesting something I fail to understand.
How is allowing a raider organisation with a more than 10 year history of griefing regions, while propagandising their victims as the aggressor, to continue their empire-building something the WA should be supporting?
Antifa is not some white knight, crusading against injustice. Antifa is an openly expansionist organisation, who boast about their conquests and threaten all who do not subscribe to their ideology. They are, I believe, quite what the international community should be condemning rather than continuing to enable.

So... we have to feel sorry for fascists now? Fascists who have spent years and years in NationStates spreading hateful ideology, raiding regions and trolling? Antifa is an organisation for the greater good. The Red Fleet and The MT Army are commended by the Security Council, and you’re blabbing away at how the security council should HELP FASCISM!? You need a dose of reality check, Mr Vakolicci. People like you are why fascism continues to roam around and spread its filth. You aren’t fascist, but you aren’t standing up to them. We’re talking about a region that enables people who glorify the massacre of Jews to post on their message board.

I have no wish to stand up to them. I don't associate with them, but they're not my enemy either.

Especially northern Redlands, which is an rp region and isn't fascist. I can't help but wonder, with your founding date, who hides behind this puppet

[Mediocre Confederacy]

So... we have to feel sorry for fascists now? Fascists who have spent years and years in NationStates spreading hateful ideology, raiding regions and trolling? Antifa is an organisation for the greater good. The Red Fleet and The MT Army are commended by the Security Council, and you’re blabbing away at how the security council should HELP FASCISM!? You need a dose of reality check, Mr Vakolicci. People like you are why fascism continues to roam around and spread its filth. You aren’t fascist, but you aren’t standing up to them. We’re talking about a region that enables people who glorify the massacre of Jews to post on their message board.

I have no wish to stand up to them. I don't associate with them, but they're not my enemy either.

Especially northern Redlands, which is an rp region and isn't fascist. I can't help but wonder, with your founding date, who hides behind this puppet

Northern Redlands members are signatories of the Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, a region that glorifies AUGUSTO PINOCHET WHO WAS A FASCIST DICTATOR.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I have no wish to stand up to them. I don't associate with them, but they're not my enemy either.

Especially northern Redlands, which is an rp region and isn't fascist. I can't help but wonder, with your founding date, who hides behind this puppet

Northern Redlands members are signatories of the Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, a region that glorifies AUGUSTO PINOCHET WHO WAS A FASCIST DICTATOR.

And? You know...just because we don't like something, it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You are both suggesting something I fail to understand.
How is allowing a raider organisation with a more than 10 year history of griefing regions, while propagandising their victims as the aggressor, to continue their empire-building something the WA should be supporting?
Antifa is not some white knight, crusading against injustice. Antifa is an openly expansionist organisation, who boast about their conquests and threaten all who do not subscribe to their ideology. They are, I believe, quite what the international community should be condemning rather than continuing to enable.

So... we have to feel sorry for fascists now? Fascists who have spent years and years in NationStates spreading hateful ideology, raiding regions and trolling? Antifa is an organisation for the greater good. The Red Fleet and The MT Army are commended by the Security Council, and you’re blabbing away at how the security council should HELP FASCISM!? You need a dose of reality check, Mr Vakolicci. People like you are why fascism continues to roam around and spread its filth. You aren’t fascist, but you aren’t standing up to them. We’re talking about a region that enables people who glorify the massacre of Jews to post on their message board.

1. Post the links from the RMB of Northern Redlands that advocates for the extermination of Jews. I think such evidence should be shared if it exists.
2. Greater vakolicci haven is criticizing the forces that describe themselves as "antifa" and SC assistance to them, not advocating for outright SC assistance to fascism. Disagreeing with communist bullshit does not equal assisting fascism. Sorry if that's triggering.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

So... we have to feel sorry for fascists now? Fascists who have spent years and years in NationStates spreading hateful ideology, raiding regions and trolling? Antifa is an organisation for the greater good. The Red Fleet and The MT Army are commended by the Security Council, and you’re blabbing away at how the security council should HELP FASCISM!? You need a dose of reality check, Mr Vakolicci. People like you are why fascism continues to roam around and spread its filth. You aren’t fascist, but you aren’t standing up to them. We’re talking about a region that enables people who glorify the massacre of Jews to post on their message board.

1. Post the links from the RMB of Northern Redlands that advocates for the extermination of Jews. I think such evidence should be shared if it exists.
2. Greater vakolicci haven is criticizing the forces that describe themselves as "antifa" and SC assistance to them, not advocating for outright SC assistance to fascism. Disagreeing with communist bullshit does not equal assisting fascism. Sorry if that's triggering.

I didn't say that Nazi Europa posts stuff like that, but they are allowing regions like NE to post their Nazi shite.
Also, the SC should assist Antifa. Antifa is not explicitly communist. Antifa is not bullshit. If we don't use the SC to help Antifa, the NSIA will continue to be Nazis and do their fucking nazi racist shit.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

Proof of Nazi White Supremacists in Northern Redlands:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33682823