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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:15 pm

Draganisia wrote:Y
Cormactopia Prime wrote:That shouldn't factor in. This is an IC Commendation in an IC institution and repeal is being pursued for IC reasons. Stop trying to make this OOC.


It is up to all of the voters of the WA to decide all of that.

And according to how many voted for it that would mean 14 thousand or 86.7% of voters disagree with you :)

There were 8,498 votes (83.5%) for Commend A mean old man as well. Things change.

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Postby Draganisia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:17 pm

That was years ago.

This one was only a week or two ago.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:03 pm

Draganisia wrote:That was years ago.

This one was only a week or two ago.

If what you say were true, insta-repeals wouldn't be a thing.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:55 am

AMOM was one of the leaders of the New Lazarene Order, an invasion that faced widespread condemnation: he was privy to all internal discussions and was supposed to be Lazarus's new "governor" (delegate). The other similar resolution (Repeal "Commend Sedgistan") was based on the fact that he had personally couped TSP, which was considered severe enough to cancel his previous achievements as a defender and SC author.

Xoriet's misdeeds are only by association - she played no part in the actions that the Pacific is being condemned for, and she wasn't even a member of the Senate.
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Postby Milozoldyck » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:15 am

I think it'd be unbecoming of the Security Council to immediately repeal Xoriet's commendation. If Xoriet's prior exploits earned her a commendation, isn't she exactly the type of nation that the Security Council wants to see leading The Pacific's future?
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:56 am

Milozoldyck wrote:I think it'd be unbecoming of the Security Council to immediately repeal Xoriet's commendation. If Xoriet's prior exploits earned her a commendation, isn't she exactly the type of nation that the Security Council wants to see leading The Pacific's future?


I think her priors were selectively picked for the original in the first place - hence why it was a close vote originally. I discuss above the start of several approaches to that.

Her repeated defense of certain actions perpetuated by the NPO, as well as assistance in the baseless calling of proven things "slander," only furthers the case for reconsideration.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:21 pm

Against. Xor has earned her commendation and this lacking proposal doesn't change my mind even a bit.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:08 am

If it means anything, I support it.

Xoriet may have some good things on record, but continued voiced support of the NPO through dispatches does not fit the current political climate, nor any ethical one.

I am for Xoriet as a person, but as a defender, and APC Member, I support this resolution.

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Postby Todd McCloud » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:34 am

Against. And I can't believe people are turning this into a massive witch-hunt. Or, maybe I should believe it considering historical instances. But this is ridiculous. What's next, are we just going to go after all the people we disagree with in the NPO, too? Even those who apparently had no hand in what happened? Well, we've already done that, it seems, as I read down on 'Condemn Myrth'.

So we're going to erase years of good, solid NS work because they happen to be in a region that's now the new flavor of the month? And all because this nation happens to be defending their region? Well holy crap, what'd you expect them to do, roll over and die? Sure, what the NPO did can be considered condemn-worthy, especially at the numbers of the voters. But this? This is akin to an ignorant mob, and ignorant mobs tend to seek out mob-justice, which is a far cry from anything even mildly constructive or anything worthwhile. It's brutish and not at all a good look.

But no, this is how people choose to spend their time - tearing people down instead of looking for solutions. Well, as Tim said earlier, it rings a little petty. Xoriet is commend-worthy - their years of good NS work have proven that beyond all doubt per the voting that occurred less than one month ago, even as anyone who has any kind of inkling with the NPO has apparently donned a scarlet letter.
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Postby Mr Bubbly » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:47 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:I mean this is just fucking petty, innit?

Funny. You didn't seem to feel the same way about AMOM's Commendation being repealed. All of his supposed good deeds occurred while he was a member of the East Pacific, just like Xor's. So why the double standard now Tim? Do you have something to share with the rest of the class?

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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:15 pm

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Tim-Opolis wrote:I mean this is just fucking petty, innit?

Funny. You didn't seem to feel the same way about AMOM's Commendation being repealed. All of his supposed good deeds occurred while he was a member of the East Pacific, just like Xor's. So why the double standard now Tim? Do you have something to share with the rest of the class?

There are different shades of grey and undoubtedly Xoriet does not deserve a commendation repeal.

She did not took part in no coup or subversive activities

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Postby Armaros » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 am

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Mr Bubbly wrote:Funny. You didn't seem to feel the same way about AMOM's Commendation being repealed. All of his supposed good deeds occurred while he was a member of the East Pacific, just like Xor's. So why the double standard now Tim? Do you have something to share with the rest of the class?

There are different shades of grey and undoubtedly Xoriet does not deserve a commendation repeal.

She did not took part in no coup or subversive activities

She only defended those and called the accusations "slander" and "fake news".
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:13 am

This is a ridiculously bad proposal on many levels.

Defense of one's region during war time does not equal tacit approval of all actions undertaken by their region.

My continued residence in The East Pacific does not constitute my approval of the regional government or its policies.
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Postby Armaros » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:27 am

Ramaeus wrote:This is a ridiculously bad proposal on many levels.

Defense of one's region during war time does not equal tacit approval of all actions undertaken by their region.

My continued residence in The East Pacific does not constitute my approval of the regional government or its policies.

I like how you're ignoring every single point that was raised of her defending the NPO's actions and calling the accusations "slander" and "fake news" and instead say people only drop hate on her because she resides in TP and wishes to defend her region from invasion.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:51 pm

I genuinely want to see this at vote.

I think it'll be one of the closest we will see, maybe on par with CoS's defeated Commendation.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:30 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:I genuinely want to see this at vote.

I think it'll be one of the closest we will see, maybe on par with CoS's defeated Commendation.

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Postby Galiantus III » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:48 pm

I would like if we differentiated the NPO from its members, and this knee-jerk reaction of "let's bash everyone associated with the NPO as a result of its inherent structure problems" feels like we're going a bit too far. I want to help put an end to the NPO, but with that said, Xor is one of a few members of the NPO I would actually want involved in a new government of the Pacific. She's just being loyal to her side right now, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, I might just have a personal vendetta against the WA. Down With the World Assembly! Dividemus Congressum Mundi!

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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Galiantus III wrote:I would like if we differentiated the NPO from its members, and this knee-jerk reaction of "let's bash everyone associated with the NPO as a result of its inherent structure problems" feels like we're going a bit too far. I want to help put an end to the NPO, but with that said, Xor is one of a few members of the NPO I would actually want involved in a new government of the Pacific. She's just being loyal to her side right now, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, I might just have a personal vendetta against the WA. Down With the World Assembly! Dividemus Congressum Mundi!

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If I knew her better, I could give more useful opinions on it.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:01 pm

But Divide the World Assembly is an order! So you must use the...
The... imperative!
Which is?.....
Di di di... Divide!
How many people?
Plural! Plural! Dividite!

(Insert other Monty Python jokes here. Also unclear about the use of divide as a meaning of destroy. Seems like one could interpret divide to mean the establishment of various regional assemblies. Cf. dictionary. )
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:47 pm

Galiantus III wrote:...Down With the World Assembly! Dividemus Congressum Mundi!


Imperium Anglorum wrote:But Divide the World Assembly is an order! So you must use the...
The... imperative!
Which is?.....
Di di di... Divide!
How many people?
Plural! Plural! Dividite!

(Insert other Monty Python jokes here. Also unclear about the use of divide as a meaning of destroy. Seems like one could interpret divide to mean the establishment of various regional assemblies. Cf. dictionary. )


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Postby Doing it Rightland » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:58 pm

I don't know Xoriet that well, but this proposal isn't great. Here's my main issue:
Ex Patrian SSR wrote:Astounded, however, at the nerve of their continued support and government participation in The Pacific after the region's support of covert operations to infiltrate Osiris and Lazarus;

Ex Patrian SSR wrote:Noting the public statements made by Xoriet since the most recent incidents declaring continued support for the New Pacific Order regime;

I hope this is obvious enough. Two points discussing the exact same thing (continued support for the Pacific), and arguably a thing that doesn't deserve of condemnation. Xoriet is, to the best of her ability, trying to protect her region from foreign powers. There's nothing wrong with that, and some nations ought to at least respect her actions (especially those trying to defend their own regions from foreign powers).
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Postby Aclion » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:07 pm

Doing it Rightland wrote:I don't know Xoriet that well, but this proposal isn't great. Here's my main issue:
Ex Patrian SSR wrote:Astounded, however, at the nerve of their continued support and government participation in The Pacific after the region's support of covert operations to infiltrate Osiris and Lazarus;

Ex Patrian SSR wrote:Noting the public statements made by Xoriet since the most recent incidents declaring continued support for the New Pacific Order regime;

I hope this is obvious enough. Two points discussing the exact same thing (continued support for the Pacific), and arguably a thing that doesn't deserve of condemnation. Xoriet is, to the best of her ability, trying to protect her region from foreign powers. There's nothing wrong with that, and some nations ought to at least respect her actions (especially those trying to defend their own regions from foreign powers).

No one supporting the actions of the NPO is protecting The Pacific.
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Postby Doing it Rightland » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:34 pm

Aclion wrote:No one supporting the actions of the NPO is protecting The Pacific.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Please explain how a nation fighting against harassment of their region by foreign puppets and incessant spam is not protecting their region?
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