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Postby Wansdyke » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:18 am

The notoriety of LKE precedes it. This is a Region of Immense Stature and Reknown in Nationstates. Deserving of many capital letters at the beginning of words that go against all grammatical rules.

The Aquila, or Golden Eagle - that symbol of the Roman Empire - of Imperialism - deliberately adopted by the LKE - has grown to become feared around the game because of its longstanding and forceful in-your-face unconventional approach to NS military and game-play.

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Hated. Vilified. Reviled. Despised by our enemies, whilst it basks in it's Glory.

Now if there was a Region out there that deserved damnation: surely it would be LKE.

I can't find enough adjectives to fully embrace the notoriety that the LKE has built through its many unique attributes in this game, and significant number of glorious endeavours, making it potentially worthy of this honour.

But what I can do is advise on how to make sure factual accuracy of such a document that will be no doubt written down through the ages, passed from generation to generation, is maximised, for the good of all.

Where there is error, may we bring truth.

1. Random invasion and acts of destruction against too many regions to comprehensively list, but which include Belgium, The True Rebirth, Middle Earth, Fidelia, Soviet Union, Argartha, Zhe Intranational Communist, Hogwarts, Scotland, The Soviet Bloc, Slavya, Ixnay, Canada, the Coalition of Catholic States, Eastern Europe, Region Inc, Equestria, Atheist Empire, Meridon, South Pacific, The Union, Liberty Alliance, Forest, Belgium again, Philippines, Middle Earth again, Asia, Latinoamerica, South Pacific again, The International Kingdom, The Union of Red Nations, Westphalia, United Islands, Iran, and The New Inquisition.


There are a great deal many more operations, especially in the LKE's earlier history that are missing from here. Most of these operations are from the UIAF era, when you were of course a member of The Imperial Command, so its natural you would remember these, but yeah this is not an exclusive list. There were also some huge operations in the earlier history of LKE some of which must have been more destructive than many of these.

Also I'm not sure the targets were totally random, some were definitely, well, targeted. Also including TNI in this list is silly as someone else pointed out.

2. Invasion, occupation, and eventual refounding of Slavia, which during this process was subjected to blackmail by LKE officials, in a common trend where the LKE has repeatedly used the threat of invasion to compel regions to act against their own interests.


I prefer "Intimidation" to blackmail. Blackmail sounds like we had compromising information about them or something.

3. Close collaboration with a number of disreputable regions whose only purpose for being is to invade and tear down others, and who have been widely ostracised for totally unacceptable conduct and severe violations of inter-regional law, examples including the notorious The Black Riders and DEN.


Not sure there was much military collaboration with DEN, but TBR certainly, albeit before the violations of inter-regional law were known. And then also there is TBH. The point is these entities are themselves condemned by the WASC. It might be best not to name them, but just refer to raider organisations that were condemned by the WA.

[4. Continued ridiculous acts of aggression against the Founderless Regions Alliance, a defensive organisation that sought to uphold inter-regional peace, including a series of minor tangential invasions which the LKE used to dubiously claim some kind of victory in its silly little war


It's probably hard to argue the LKE played a role equaling TNI in the war against FRA, but nonetheless some kind of mention of the LKE's unbreaking commitment to prosecuting the War is probably appropriate.

5. Invasion of The Rejected Realms ("TRR") on a massive scale, during which the Emperor of the LKE would become Delegate of TRR, a fact they would arrogantly lord over the world for years to come.


Now, iirc, it's TNI that went for the mantra: "the Empire that conquered The Rejected Realms." And it was the TNI flag that was raised over TRR, not LKE's. Nonetheless, Onder was Emperor of LKE, so yeah there is a link there enough to include something about TRR.

6. Attempted manipulation of the region Osiris when it was under occupation by a rogue state, by dishonestly offering support to both sides and needlessly prolonging the conflict for its own benefit, which included leveraging its position to force Osiris to withdraw from the Pan-Sinker Security Pact and from the Founderless Regions Alliance, in what amounted to a blatant display of extortion.


Well if we buy this narrative, it wasn't merely "attempted" manipulation, it was successful manipulation of the highest order. But the debate over whether the UIAF's intervention in Osiris prolonged or reduced the length of the conflict is one that we can probably not properly resolve. I masterminded the intervention and even I am not 100% sure, because there are too many variables in these situations. It depends entirely on the decisions made by those involved - its quite plausible the conflict could have been resolved more quickly, or it could have taken longer - or even the coup could have been permanent. Remember that the UIAF deployment was known by the Osiran leadership, and no doubt gave them a considerable morale boost knowing there was a definitive path to victory, whilst lulling the occupiers into a false sense of security.

All I know for sure is it gave UIAF control of the situation, which it used to restore the elected Pharaoh's rule, and show the entire NS world what we could do.

Subsequently we have seen several GCR civil wars/conflicts where rebel Delegates have both managed to secure the region in perpetuity, and equally examples where people have blown it, from a similar military advantage to that of the Dourian Embassy in Osiris in summer 2013, so it's really difficult to be sure.

Oh and Osiris was never in the Founderless Regions Alliance.

7. Military support for the tyrannical Khanate government in its coup and occupation of Lazarus, and being noticeably absent from a coalition of peacekeepers from most prominant regions who sought to restore peace, further demonstrating the LKE's consistent agenda of destabilising regions and their populations.


One could argue the "LKE's consistent agenda of imposing their will on regions and their populations through the inappropriate and violent application of military force" would be more consistent with the message of the rest of the resolution.

8. Forced assimilation of regions into the lethargic empire and/or personal trophy collection of the LKE, which include Ilum, Polis, Munster, The Imperial Legion, and Vienna.


Polis and Vienna were both founded by Lucius, the original Founder of LKE, so its hard to claim forced assimilation. I am sure there are examples of other regions held by LKE, that are factually correct, that were taken by forceful military occupations wherein the native nations were forcibly removed and resettled into TRR, and the region was absorbed into the Empire. Efforts will be made to provide such a list.

9. Attempted invasion of the noble and tenacious region of Moldavia no less than four times, all of which were rebuked, much to the embarrassment of the LKE's surprisingly incompetent military forces.


I can't remember the specifics of this operation, though if it was a case of incompetence, I'm surprised it was not something you commanded. Nonetheless, I have no doubt that Moldavia is very noble and tenacious indeed, to survive such a brutal onslaught, and should accordingly by permitted mention for holding out no less than 4 times. Also I feel the stress of these missions probably handicapped Moldavia's future and mention of that could be made.

10. Attempted blackmail of small innocent regions through the Green-Black Concordat, where such regions could either contribute militarily to the LKE's campaigns or be considered valid targets themselves.


Don't know the specifics on this, but I'll take your word for it.

11. Engagement of recruitment practices that are considered against inter-regional law, and subsequently blaming these actions on a scapegoated individual when ultimately caught and punished.


I'm not sure I would call Bob Moran a scapegoat, given he single-handedly instigated the illegal recruitment and executed it without telling anyone else in LKE. He was of course punished to the full extent.

12. Various other assorted affronts to the inter-regional community, such as having a garbage motto that its members feel the obnoxious need to post everywhere in entirely capital letters, and posting dispatches with broken amateurish coding.


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*edited 10 times and still can't get it right*





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Postby Xoriet » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:39 am

Wansdyke wrote:[size=666][b]TERRA REGUM IMPERATORUMQUE TOTUM MUNDUM REGET![\b][\size]
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LKE is true evil confirmed. ;)

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Postby Roavin » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:50 am

Xoriet wrote:
Wansdyke wrote:
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LKE is true evil confirmed. ;)

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I fixed it, but I think my francoist defender ways corrupted it a bit.

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Postby Consular » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:31 am

*Ignores Onder again*

Kuriko wrote:Its Kuri or Kuriko now Consular, not Lenly. And your logic makes no sense. By saying an allied military that helped password an allied region is occupying said region, would you say that about every allied military that's ever helped password an allied region? Because that sounds to me like how your logic is going.

Edit: Ill point out again that I'm not a fan of LKE, Onder, or anyone associated with that place. However, I'll also point out again that Onder was once the ruler of TNI.


You might have changed your name but you're still a bit dense I see.

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Postby Kuriko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:08 am

Consular wrote:*Ignores Onder again*

Kuriko wrote:Its Kuri or Kuriko now Consular, not Lenly. And your logic makes no sense. By saying an allied military that helped password an allied region is occupying said region, would you say that about every allied military that's ever helped password an allied region? Because that sounds to me like how your logic is going.

Edit: Ill point out again that I'm not a fan of LKE, Onder, or anyone associated with that place. However, I'll also point out again that Onder was once the ruler of TNI.


You might have changed your name but you're still a bit dense I see.

Don't know how I'm being dense by pointing out that TNI was once ruled by Onder, who called upon TNI's ally the LKE to password the region and hence its not under LKE occupation. It was passworded by a native, TNI was dead to begin with before passwording, and I don't really care that it was killed off by Onder or anyone else because one region like the LKE is better than two. Calling people dense is an asshole move Consular, think before you fucking post.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:25 am

Armaros wrote:I still kinda feel like you shouldn't include TBR or DEN. The newer players will not even know who those were, and I think it should be kept that way. Maybe say something like "they work together with a number of raiders who'se only purpose is to destroy other regions, such as the twice condemned The Black hawks." And then add a separate part where you say something like "•among their former allies were at least 2 notorious regions, banmed for rulebreaking" or somethig like that.

It is kinda hard to list even a half-dozen raider regions before coming across a controversial name due to rule breaking or even greater infractions against this community.
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Postby Consular » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:33 am

Kuriko wrote:and I don't really care that it was killed off by Onder or anyone else because one region like the LKE is better than two.

You don't really care that the Emperor of the LKE drove many good people out of a struggling region and sealed its decline? I kind of do care about things like that. The destruction of a community is pretty important to me man. That's why it's included.

But look -- I do see where you're coming from. What if, as a compromise, I remove TNI from the list of invaded regions, and instead talk about what happened there in a separate line? Would that work for you?

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Postby Kuriko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:38 am

Consular wrote:
Kuriko wrote:and I don't really care that it was killed off by Onder or anyone else because one region like the LKE is better than two.

You don't really care that the Emperor of the LKE drove many good people out of a struggling region and sealed its decline? I kind of do care about things like that. The destruction of a community is pretty important to me man. That's why it's included.

But look -- I do see where you're coming from. What if, as a compromise, I remove TNI from the list of invaded regions, and instead talk about what happened there in a separate line? Would that work for you?

That would be absolutely perfect in my mind.
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Postby Consular » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:39 am

No worries then! I'll sort that and a few other things out in my next edit.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:05 pm

I support this.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:24 am

Wansdyke wrote:Now if there was a Region out there that deserved damnation: surely it would be LKE.

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Postby Consular » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:16 am

Armaros wrote:I still kinda feel like you shouldn't include TBR or DEN. The newer players will not even know who those were, and I think it should be kept that way. Maybe say something like "they work together with a number of raiders who'se only purpose is to destroy other regions, such as the twice condemned The Black hawks." And then add a separate part where you say something like "•among their former allies were at least 2 notorious regions, banmed for rulebreaking" or somethig like that.

Not sure I agree. I think bad acts are better remembered than forgotten -- if we let them fade into obscurity they could yet be repeated. I think newer players should know that some shitty people have done some shitty things and that it's not ok and we won't tolerate it.

That said I'll bow to popular consensus on this issue.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:11 pm

I would suggest filtering the list of regions that the LKE has invaded to only include those led by the LKE itself; you'd still.have a metric ton. Westphalia, for instance, was a TBH operation.
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Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I would suggest filtering the list of regions that the LKE has invaded to only include those led by the LKE itself; you'd still.have a metric ton. Westphalia, for instance, was a TBH operation.

I would strongly suggest this. I note Forest on the list, which has been 'invaded' all of once, by a TBH-led operation and I'm pretty sure none of us in Forest know or care that other orgs than TBH were involved.
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I would also suggest thinking about what makes a good condemnation- it shouldn't just be a medal of honour, which is how certain senior LKE members seem to be considering it; it should feature something embarrassing, something that the LKE strongly objects to. The author is probably better placed to pick something than I am, though.
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Postby Consular » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:25 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I would also suggest thinking about what makes a good condemnation- it shouldn't just be a medal of honour, which is how certain senior LKE members seem to be considering it; it should feature something embarrassing, something that the LKE strongly objects to. The author is probably better placed to pick something than I am, though.

They don't want it, posts that suggest otherwise are hot air and can be ignored.

And there is actually a large amount of content in there that the LKE, and Onderkelkia, strongly objects to. Most of the resolution probably -- but a few particular points are very likely to leave a bad taste in their mouths.

Eh I just made a list out of all the regions they've boasted about conquering in their embassy. I'm inclined to leave it as is.

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Postby Salvarity » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:23 pm

Consular wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I would also suggest thinking about what makes a good condemnation- it shouldn't just be a medal of honour, which is how certain senior LKE members seem to be considering it; it should feature something embarrassing, something that the LKE strongly objects to. The author is probably better placed to pick something than I am, though.

They don't want it, posts that suggest otherwise are hot air and can be ignored.

And there is actually a large amount of content in there that the LKE, and Onderkelkia, strongly objects to. Most of the resolution probably -- but a few particular points are very likely to leave a bad taste in their mouths.

Eh I just made a list out of all the regions they've boasted about conquering in their embassy. I'm inclined to leave it as is.


Moldavia is great, we should talk more about Moldavia.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:37 am

Salvarity wrote:Moldavia is great, we should talk more about Moldavia.

Land of King Kongs and Emperor Penguins is greater than even Moldavia.

Seriously though, what happened with Moldavia? And how can this resolution use it?
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:58 pm

Shrewtopia wrote:Moldavia love the LKE. They are like the crazed cousins, high on meth & shrooms, that keep turning up and telling us that they own us and we should be happy. Though keep raving about how they control us and how we are part of them but the truth is that they just never fit our strange and local ways and they had to go. Onder is a dear though and we hold him in high regard as he is maybe the most delusional and that is actually quite fitting with the few nations still conducting business in our gloriously free-of-any-LKE-control-whatsoever region.

ALL IS WELL!

P.S. We actually annexed one of their regions with our pathetic military for a few years before the annexer quit and we lost it again. We had a lot of fun in Ilum and consider it our de facto holiday destination.

I just wanted to highlight this and say thank you, because your contribution to this thread really was the only thing worth reading besides the OP.

Fully supportive of this condemnation. If there is anything that could be of use to you, Consular, in my previous attempt, I release the text of that proposal to you to use as you see fit. Additionally, I encourage others to read over that thread, because the response to that proposal and to someone else's attempt at condemnation should be all the proof folks need that The LKE doesn't want to be condemned and won't view this as a badge of honor, despite the attempt at reverse psychology by NES earlier in this thread. They clearly view condemnation as politically disadvantageous to them.
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Postby Shrewtopia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:14 am

Salvarity wrote:
Consular wrote:They don't want it, posts that suggest otherwise are hot air and can be ignored.

And there is actually a large amount of content in there that the LKE, and Onderkelkia, strongly objects to. Most of the resolution probably -- but a few particular points are very likely to leave a bad taste in their mouths.

Eh I just made a list out of all the regions they've boasted about conquering in their embassy. I'm inclined to leave it as is.


Moldavia is great, we should talk more about Moldavia.


Oh you!

Moldavia IS great though. We have a mashed potato statue (head only) of Onder as he is our official mascot, the self proclaimed 'Hot Spud ARR!' of Moldavia, whatever that is. We just presumed it was something to do with Pirates and Jacket Potatoes.

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Postby Shrewtopia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:57 am

Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:
Salvarity wrote:Moldavia is great, we should talk more about Moldavia.

Land of King Kongs and Emperor Penguins is greater than even Moldavia.

Seriously though, what happened with Moldavia? And how can this resolution use it?


We have an embassy with them nearly constructed. We do so love their region!

As for what happened with Moldavia, why not read about the first 2ish...invasions* in the Glorious History of Moldavia thread we stuck up a while ago.

ALL IS WELL!

*we graded the 1st 2 invasions according to several criteria.
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Postby Xoriet » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:29 am

Shrewtopia wrote:We have an embassy with them nearly constructed. We do so love their region!

As for what happened with Moldavia, why not read about the first 2ish...invasions* in the Glorious History of Moldavia thread we stuck up a while ago.

ALL IS WELL!

*we graded the 1st 2 invasions according to several criteria.

May I just say that you are the most glorious native to ever grace these forums? You really are.
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Postby Pergamon » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:32 am

Shrewtopia wrote:
Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:Land of King Kongs and Emperor Penguins is greater than even Moldavia.

Seriously though, what happened with Moldavia? And how can this resolution use it?


We have an embassy with them nearly constructed. We do so love their region!

As for what happened with Moldavia, why not read about the first 2ish...invasions* in the Glorious History of Moldavia thread we stuck up a while ago.

ALL IS WELL!

*we graded the 1st 2 invasions according to several criteria.


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Postby Shrewtopia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 am

Xoriet wrote:
Shrewtopia wrote:We have an embassy with them nearly constructed. We do so love their region!

As for what happened with Moldavia, why not read about the first 2ish...invasions* in the Glorious History of Moldavia thread we stuck up a while ago.

ALL IS WELL!

*we graded the 1st 2 invasions according to several criteria.

May I just say that you are the most glorious native to ever grace these forums? You really are.


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