[DRAFT] Repeal "Commend the MT Army"

[North Saitama]

Repeal: “Commend The MT Army”
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#240

Proposed by: North Saitama

Security Council Resolution #240 “Commend The MT Army” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The Security Council,

Asserting that the goal of the Security Council should be to promote peace, first and foremost, in accordance with its mission.

Acknowledging that stopping Nazism and/or Fascism has good intentions, due to the horrific implications of said ideologies.

Further asserting that equal protection under law is a fundamental right, regardless of race or ideology, and that the law should be objective and impartial.

Shocked that the target resolution would commend a region for actions that would otherwise be condemn-worthy under any other circumstances, notably raiding and destroying many regions under the guise of "stopping Fascism".

Horrified by the implication that raiding is condoned and sanctioned by the Security Council, as long as it is against regions with specific ideologies.

Disbelieving, in connection to the above points, that regions should be rewarded for raiding and destroying other regions, not only for purely ideological reasons (no matter how abhorrent the ideology), but doing so in a manner that denies the raided regions any hope of justice.

Hereby repeals Security Council resolution #240.

[Kuriko]

Against, and you'll find most of NS against as well. The MT Army does good work in letting the fascists and nazis know they're unwelcome here.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Can u show proof that the MT army has raided non nazi regions?

[United Massachusetts]

Can u show proof that the MT army has raided non nazi regions?

I have no problem with MT Army itself. I think the bigger concern is their cooperation with the Internationale and TRF, even as its leadership grows more radical and intolerant by the day.

[Tinhampton]

Can u show proof that the MT army has raided non nazi regions?

Nova Jane Austinus - if they weren't explicitly non-Nazi, they certainly didn't try and foist their ideology on everybody else. :')

To Saitama, you don't need the "...rendered null and void" bit at the start of your resolution, it occurs automatically for you.

[North Saitama]

That is the problem, though: what they are doing is contrary to the values of the SC, yet it is being applauded by the SC in the name of "fighting Fascism". It is a double standard, and hypocritical.

At the very least I do not think that they should be commended for being a raider organisation, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, and destroying whole regions and displacing natives, when this would be condemn-worthy with any other raider region and/or ideology. The only reason they are even commended is because of this double standard.

[Caucasus Emirate]

Well those nuts also destroyed 2 of my home regions the Fascist And Communist Entente and Svea Rike and I suggest we wipe these pests from NS forever

[United Massachusetts]

I have no sympathy for fascists. My concern is their support for far-left forces in TRF.

[Fauxia]

I don’t support this repeal as written. MT Army deserves a better, more nonbiased commendation. Repealing on the grounds that antifascist raiding is bad has no chance at passing.

[Caucasus Emirate]

I have no sympathy for fascists. My concern is their support for far-left forces in TRF.

سوف يجعل الله جيش MT معاناته من الفظائع ضد المناطق الإسلامية

God shall make The MT Army suffer for their atrocities against Islamic regions

[North Saitama]

I don’t support this repeal as written. MT Army deserves a better, more nonbiased commendation. Repealing on the grounds that antifascist raiding is bad has no chance at passing.

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

[Caucasus Emirate]

I don’t support this repeal as written. MT Army deserves a better, more nonbiased commendation. Repealing on the grounds that antifascist raiding is bad has no chance at passing.

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

they are cruel and deceitful in nature

[Fauxia]

I don’t support this repeal as written. MT Army deserves a better, more nonbiased commendation. Repealing on the grounds that antifascist raiding is bad has no chance at passing.

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

Probably would if the communists espoused the ideologies of Mao and Stalin. Most of them don't, however.

Not gonna go in depth here because of not wanting to derail into general territory.

Also, calling a legal game function "evil" is a bit of a stretch. It's not nice, sure, but, "evil" is a stretch.

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

they are cruel and deceitful in nature

In what way?

[North Saitama]

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

Probably would if the communists espoused the ideologies of Mao and Stalin. Most of them don't, however.

Not gonna go in depth here because of not wanting to derail into general territory.

Also, calling a legal game function "evil" is a bit of a stretch. It's not nice, sure, but, "evil" is a stretch.

Tell that to the multiple regions based on North Korea and the Soviet Union, both of which are nations with histories of human rights violations. Never mind the widespread presence of the hammer and sickle on NS, even though communist imagery carries such a stigma in some countries that it is actually banned, like in Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, and Bulgaria.

As for "evil", you ignore the point. The point is that what the MT Army is doing is not good, without applying a double standard. And, as far as the general position of the Security Council goes, raiding is generally disapproved of. Why should the SC approve of any raiding, despite its position of opposing raiding, barring a double standard?

[United Massachusetts]

They do not deserve ANY commendation, as the commendation itself is the problem. It could be the best written SC resolution, and it still wouldn't change the fact that they are still responsible for abhorrent acts that are not commend-worthy, and that paying evil unto evil doesn't change the fact that they are still doing evil. Changing it into a repeal-and-replace would defeat the entire purpose of writing this.

Answer me this question: if the MT Army were to target communist and socialist regions instead of fascist, would they still be commended? Communism and socialism are also ideologies responsible for millions of deaths, and historically were much worse than Fascism as far as abusing human rights and genocide. By the same measure that raiding fascists is approved of, surely, raiding communists should also be approved of?

Probably would if the communists espoused the ideologies of Mao and Stalin. Most of them don't, however.

Not gonna go in depth here because of not wanting to derail into general territory.

Also, calling a legal game function "evil" is a bit of a stretch. It's not nice, sure, but, "evil" is a stretch.

they are cruel and deceitful in nature

In what way?

At least one member of TRF's Admirality Board is an open Stalinist. Another identified as a Leninist, which evolved into the state ideology of the USSR. Presumably, this member also accepts and supports the crimes of Lenin, including the Red Terror and the mass murder of religious clergy by the Bolsheviks. TRF has openly raided centreright regions, labelling them as fascist, and names its squadrons after terrorists and dictators.

To clarify, there can be no equivalency made between fascists and those who fight them. That acknowledgement isn't a carte blanche to work with and ally with TRF. I have plenty of respect for the MT Army, but there is no need for them to walk so in line and so closely with Antifa and co. If they want to be commended, they should have to renounce TRF. Simple as that.

Oh, yeah. They also shouldn't work with North Korea either. Juche is a fascist ideology just as much as a communist one.

[Fauxia]

The recognition of these groups is why I don’t support the commendation as written, UM

[New Min]

"New Min will do everything to stop this scandelous repeal of a deserved commendation for a great ally."

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I have no sympathy for fascists. My concern is their support for far-left forces in TRF.

سوف يجعل الله جيش MT معاناته من الفظائع ضد المناطق الإسلامية

God shall make The MT Army suffer for their atrocities against Islamic regions

Hate to break it to you but MT Army has a few Muslim members lol.

[Tinhampton]

سوف يجعل الله جيش MT معاناته من الفظائع ضد المناطق الإسلامية

God shall make The MT Army suffer for their atrocities against Islamic regions

Hate to break it to you but MT Army has a few Muslim members lol.

I was under the impression that the MT Army had a select few members (of unknown religion) fighting along Vippertooth. Of course, whether I am talking to that elusive man...

[Consular]

Yeah I'm gonna have to be against. Fascists deserve what they get.

[Ubertas]

I have no sympathy for fascists. My concern is their support for far-left forces in TRF.

Considering TRF and the MT Army are both commendable organizations, both of which I’ve had the pleasure of working with, we will be voting against and advising the delegate of TCB to do so as well. Their ideology is irrelevant given the excellent work they carry out defeating some of the most oppressive ideologies out there. If that’s the main reason why everyone so against them then take your petty political beliefs elsewhere and stop disguising them in the form of thinly veiled Security Council Resolutions. The SC isn’t for ideological warfare.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Hate to break it to you but MT Army has a few Muslim members lol.

I was under the impression that the MT Army had a select few members (of unknown religion) fighting along Vippertooth. Of course, whether I am talking to that elusive man...

I am definitely not Vip lol. I'm Khosrow or Zarhust on Discord, if anyone was wondering.

[Hesskin Empire]

Why are we repealing commendations cause a region that was commended, for its own work, works with another region?
MT Army =/= TRF and I don't see how TRF doing bad things could lead to repealing MT army's comemndation.


I would also like Proof and an example of a region that was not fascist, nazi or in some way allied with fascists/nazis that MT army has raided. I have never seen them do that and when I have suggested to Vippertooth targets he has had me provide proof which he double checks.

GamePlay(raiding and defending) is not black and white. Raiding fascists is ok, according to almost everyone as far as I know, because fascists is an ideology of hatred and domination. MT Army also defends against fascists, they liberate regions that got hit by fascists, nazis and fascist/nazi allies.

I am a Muslim as is a friend of mine and we both have helped in MT/part of MT. MT only targets fascists, nazis and fascist/nazi allies, not Islamic Regions.

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

I support this repeal!
HEIL THE IMPERATOR!!!

[North Saitama]

I have no sympathy for fascists. My concern is their support for far-left forces in TRF.

Considering TRF and the MT Army are both commendable organizations, both of which I’ve had the pleasure of working with, we will be voting against and advising the delegate of TCB to do so as well. Their ideology is irrelevant given the excellent work they carry out defeating some of the most oppressive ideologies out there. If that’s the main reason why everyone so against them then take your petty political beliefs elsewhere and stop disguising them in the form of thinly veiled Security Council Resolutions. The SC isn’t for ideological warfare.

You want to talk about ideological warfare, when that is exactly what the MT Army does, and what it was commended for?

I'm not even in this for any ideology; I am only in this because double standards are not justice, and the MT Army is an oppressor that does not deserve praise, especially when they are being praised BECAUSE they are raiders.

Furthermore, these commendations of regions like MT Army, and La Navasse's so-called "neoliberations" earlier this year, are EXACTLY ideological warfare. They certainly weren't because of the regions' actions; even with the regions that were guilty of raiding, the resolutions focused more on ideology than their actions, implying that they were being targeted for purely ideological reasons.

Why are we repealing commendations cause a region that was commended, for its own work, works with another region?
MT Army =/= TRF and I don't see how TRF doing bad things could lead to repealing MT army's comemndation.


I would also like Proof and an example of a region that was not fascist, nazi or in some way allied with fascists/nazis that MT army has raided. I have never seen them do that and when I have suggested to Vippertooth targets he has had me provide proof which he double checks.

GamePlay(raiding and defending) is not black and white. Raiding fascists is ok, according to almost everyone as far as I know, because fascists is an ideology of hatred and domination. MT Army also defends against fascists, they liberate regions that got hit by fascists, nazis and fascist/nazi allies.

I am a Muslim as is a friend of mine and we both have helped in MT/part of MT. MT only targets fascists, nazis and fascist/nazi allies, not Islamic Regions.

I am not asking to repeal this because they are working with less savoury regions; I want to repeal because they are oppressors, who are guilty of acts that would otherwise be condemnable, and do not deserve to be commended for oppression. Raiding fascists is not justice, and should not be commend-worthy.

I support this repeal!
HEIL THE IMPERATOR!!!

Thanks, walking strawman. Even though, to clarify, I am not doing this because I support Fascism or Fascist regions (which I don't; I even mentioned in the repeal that Fascism is an abhorrent ideology); I am doing this because it is unjust to praise an oppressor for acts that would otherwise be condemn-worthy.