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Jar Wattinree
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:09 am

Routcher wrote:Looks like the gentlemen at KR are trying to larp as Imperial Germans, but since nobody can be bothered to learn what "Reich" means, I guess we'll go through this every few months, huh?

Reich is a term that literally means "realm", not anything to do with the Third Reich.
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:20 am

Founder + no password + no invasion = no support. Sorry, Len. Would have supported a condemnation, but not this.

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Postby Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:21 am

It's going to go on a vote. 103 approvals.

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Postby Nordengrund » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:38 am

The Neo Fascist Byzantium empire wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:Fascists are hardly innocent; and most of the people posting here are not communist, including yours truly. And this is not thought policing, just a draft for a potential resolution to condemn a region for its inability to police its own members. Glorifying Nazism is never okay -- in every gameplay region and server I've been in, no one posts this sort of stuff without getting slapped by their admin staff.

KAISERREICH may continue to hold onto these feeble protests of "we're not Nazi!" but its behavior toward these drafts is very indicative of its true nature, or at least those of its citizens who try to defend it. The ideology is a mistake, and while NS permits discussion and even adherents of fascism to argue their stance (provided they obey site rules), most of Gameplay view it otherwise and it is reflected in the Security Council's opinion.

They haven't broken any laws they can say what they want in their own time or own servers. What happens outside of nationstates chats is not nationstate's problem and its not something you can condemn them for. I am not in their region but I defend their right to their opinions and they aren't even a fascist region. You also don't see hateful communist or globalist regions targeted only fascist ones for thought policing.


I’m goinmg to check out the region for myself, but I agree with most of what you say here, especially when it comes to chats outside of NS.
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Postby NamaCheg » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:54 am

What about muh free speech

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Postby Nordengrund » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:01 am

NamaCheg wrote:What about muh free speech


Even if they are legit Nazis, I don’t think I’ll approve this resolution due to maintaining free speech. I don’t know if these guys have actually bothered anyone or broke any laws.
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Postby Sarakart » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:03 am

Pointedly, no one's speech is actually getting suppressed here, because free speech as a concept applies to civil society, not a browser game.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:05 am

Nordengrund wrote:
NamaCheg wrote:What about muh free speech


Even if they are legit Nazis, I don’t think I’ll approve this resolution due to maintaining free speech. I don’t know if these guys have actually bothered anyone or broke any laws.

What laws are you referring to...? Because modly actions are something entirely separate from Gameplay, and WA resolutions have little effect on one's nation, unless it is the Security Council, then you get a fancy badge.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:17 am

Sarakart wrote:Pointedly, no one's speech is actually getting suppressed here, because free speech as a concept applies to civil society, not a browser game.

So what is the term for constantly harassing ones political opponents
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Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:18 am

Wrapper wrote:Founder + no password + no invasion = no support. Sorry, Len. Would have supported a condemnation, but not this.

We tried a Condemnation. Everyone hated the idea.
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:26 am

Bah, you guys gave up too easily. How could you let them push you around like that? ;)

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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:34 am

Wrapper wrote:Bah, you guys gave up too easily. How could you let them push you around like that? ;)

If you'll notice, the liberation has much the same wording as a Condemn, just will less words

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Postby The Rouge Christmas State » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:46 am

I'm not sure why a liberation is needed for a region with an active founder and no password. As far as I see it, they would just be getting a free badge.
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Jar Wattinree
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:49 am

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:I'm not sure why a liberation is needed for a region with an active founder and no password. As far as I see it, they would just be getting a free badge.

It's preemptive for when the Founder gets himself DEAT'd for a rules violation. Some in this thread have said it is any day now, so when he does, the natives will be unable to password protect their region via the WAD or ROs, thus allowing everyone who hate KReich to descend upon it en mass. Not a bad idea, eh?
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Postby The Rouge Christmas State » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:55 am

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Rouge Christmas State wrote:I'm not sure why a liberation is needed for a region with an active founder and no password. As far as I see it, they would just be getting a free badge.

It's preemptive for when the Founder gets himself DEAT'd for a rules violation. Some in this thread have said it is any day now, so when he does, the natives will be unable to password protect their region via the WAD or ROs, thus allowing everyone who hate KReich to descend upon it en mass. Not a bad idea, eh?

A preemptive strike of sorts, well I guess we'll see if that actually happens.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:02 pm

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:It's preemptive for when the Founder gets himself DEAT'd for a rules violation. Some in this thread have said it is any day now, so when he does, the natives will be unable to password protect their region via the WAD or ROs, thus allowing everyone who hate KReich to descend upon it en mass. Not a bad idea, eh?

A preemptive strike of sorts, well I guess we'll see if that actually happens.

Indeed we shall. I for one am looking forward to the operation when it happens; I expect KReich will get over a hundred new nations overnight.
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Postby Vincent Drake » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:14 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:So what is the term for constantly harassing ones political opponents


"Debate."

Also, no "harassment" has taken place. If you feel such has, you need to file a report instead of just slinging the term out there as a talking point.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:00 pm

I OPPOSE!

these liberations are a threat to freedom of speech, as well as promoting partisan, biased justice. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would support this.
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Postby Sarakart » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:02 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:I OPPOSE!

these liberations are a threat to freedom of speech, as well as promoting partisan, biased justice. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would support this.


You, two minutes ago:

West Leas Oros wrote:I don't have problems with Liberate KR, because I think it should be given to a democratic coalitian of nations, so we can try to defeat totalitarian raiding. (I will admit my bias towards liberations in general). I just fear that liberate KR will cause the MT Army and their NKVD allies to gain more power.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:03 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:I OPPOSE!

these liberations are a threat to freedom of speech, as well as promoting partisan, biased justice. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would support this.

Freedom of speech doesn't exist on a website.
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Postby Kavagrad » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:04 pm

Sarakart wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:I OPPOSE!

these liberations are a threat to freedom of speech, as well as promoting partisan, biased justice. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would support this.


You, two minutes ago:

West Leas Oros wrote:I don't have problems with Liberate KR, because I think it should be given to a democratic coalitian of nations, so we can try to defeat totalitarian raiding. (I will admit my bias towards liberations in general). I just fear that liberate KR will cause the MT Army and their NKVD allies to gain more power.

Shocked and appalled.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:06 pm

Scansinia won't leave, also 1st Amendment. No support
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Postby Kurnugia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:07 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:Scansinia won't leave, also 1st Amendment. No support

Ah! kewl. Is that in the TOS of NS?
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Postby Sarakart » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:07 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:Scansinia won't leave, also 1st Amendment. No support


1st Amendment doesn't apply to private organizations, especially not the metagame in a browser game, where no speech of any kind is being restricted.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:12 pm

Sarakart wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:Scansinia won't leave, also 1st Amendment. No support


1st Amendment doesn't apply to private organizations, especially not the metagame in a browser game, where no speech of any kind is being restricted.


I'm not saying you're not allowed somehow to do it, I'm saying that you doing it would go against principles I support.
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