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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed May 17, 2017 4:06 pm

I'm against this one.

The Wardens are a pain in the ass when raiding, but I don't think it's at the level of a condemnation.
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Postby Consular » Wed May 17, 2017 7:06 pm

Cresenthia wrote:
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I warned you. I told you.

To be honest, making quorum was success enough for me.

Then you have extremely low standards.

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Postby Willania Imperium » Wed May 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Consular wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:To be honest, making quorum was success enough for me.

Then you have extremely low standards.


Maybe, but I think they're well suited for this proposal. It's actually a miracle this manages to reach quorum.

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 18, 2017 1:11 am

Willania Imperium wrote:
Consular wrote:Then you have extremely low standards.


Maybe, but I think they're well suited for this proposal. It's actually a miracle this manages to reach quorum.

Anything even marginally legal can reach quorum with a decent telegram campaign.
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Postby Roavin » Thu May 18, 2017 2:15 am

Wallenburg wrote:Anything even marginally legal can reach quorum with a decent telegram campaign.


Yup. Cresenthia spent the stamp money to tag:delegates for this.
I have not yet found a better way to mock this quote than simply quoting it verbatim:
North East Somerset wrote:It's amusing to see the Neo-Defender trendy façade of Roavin crack up, as the mask slips and he invokes the old moralist arguments against Raiding. They know they aren't supposed to do that anymore, but couldn't help it - the Unibotian source code kicked in...

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Postby Kurnugia » Thu May 18, 2017 3:21 am

Roavin wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Anything even marginally legal can reach quorum with a decent telegram campaign.


Yup. Cresenthia spent the stamp money to tag:delegates for this.

This and there were some tgw members stating that they will rally support for this.
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Cresenthia
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Postby Cresenthia » Thu May 18, 2017 6:59 am

Kurnugia wrote:
Roavin wrote:
Yup. Cresenthia spent the stamp money to tag:delegates for this.

This and there were some tgw members stating that they will rally support for this.

They invade, and now they won't even campaign for the resolution they pledged to support?

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu May 18, 2017 7:10 am

I propose a condemn Cresenthia resolution.
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Postby Roavin » Thu May 18, 2017 7:48 am

Cresenthia wrote:
Kurnugia wrote:This and there were some tgw members stating that they will rally support for this.

They invade, and now they won't even campaign for the resolution they pledged to support?


If you're gonna condemn the Wardens, there are alot of things missing that go beyond "they hurt/annoyed/trolled my region".

But let's be realistic. This incarnation of the Wardens isn't even a year old. The first incantation lasted a few months. So, the tenure for a C&C certainly isn't there. Furthermore, we've done a few spicy things here and there, but for the most part we've just been doing a ton of defending. The reason you're complaining is because (1) recently, much of the non-defense stuff affected your own region (2) we're just generally very, very loud about what we do. The Wardens have incredible momentum going right now; if this can be mostly upkept for another few years, then a commendation based on defense work seems absolutely reasonable. A condemnation for the non-defense work probably not, however, because it really doesn't amount to nearly as much offensive throughput as the Black Hawks, who do raids and only raids, and have now gotten Badge #2 after 10 continuous years of raiding.
I have not yet found a better way to mock this quote than simply quoting it verbatim:
North East Somerset wrote:It's amusing to see the Neo-Defender trendy façade of Roavin crack up, as the mask slips and he invokes the old moralist arguments against Raiding. They know they aren't supposed to do that anymore, but couldn't help it - the Unibotian source code kicked in...

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Postby Cresenthia » Thu May 18, 2017 8:15 am

Roavin wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:They invade, and now they won't even campaign for the resolution they pledged to support?


Furthermore, we've done a few spicy things here and there,

Is this a hint that you are behind that SNN thing?

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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Thu May 18, 2017 8:32 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:I propose a condemn Cresenthia resolution.

Please don't insult me with this.
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Postby Consular » Thu May 18, 2017 9:54 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:I propose a condemn Cresenthia resolution.

cerian pls

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Postby Kitzerland » Thu May 18, 2017 10:35 am

Cresenthia wrote:
Roavin wrote:
Furthermore, we've done a few spicy things here and there,

Is this a hint that you are behind that SNN thing?

You need a hint? Cres, this isn't a mystery. Who else could this be?
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu May 18, 2017 12:46 pm

Kitzerland wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:Is this a hint that you are behind that SNN thing?

You need a hint? Cres, this isn't a mystery. Who else could this be?

I have it on good authority it isn't Roavin ;)
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu May 18, 2017 4:42 pm

Consular wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:I propose a condemn Cresenthia resolution.

cerian pls

It would make more sense than this one.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu May 18, 2017 6:20 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Consular wrote:cerian pls

It would make more sense than this one.

It's not hard to be more sensible than insanity.
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Postby Roavin » Fri May 19, 2017 9:34 am

As expected, of course, KAISERREICH voted for this resolution. Understandable, I suppose - the resolution is written by one of their own, and deals much with the pain they have endured at the hands of the Wardens.

...

wait, what happened here?!

Image

Seconds ago: George Stephanopoulos voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Condemn The Order of the Grey Wardens".


Oops....
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I have not yet found a better way to mock this quote than simply quoting it verbatim:
North East Somerset wrote:It's amusing to see the Neo-Defender trendy façade of Roavin crack up, as the mask slips and he invokes the old moralist arguments against Raiding. They know they aren't supposed to do that anymore, but couldn't help it - the Unibotian source code kicked in...

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri May 19, 2017 9:39 am

Roavin wrote:As expected, of course, KAISERREICH voted for this resolution. Understandable, I suppose - the resolution is written by one of their own, and deals much with the pain they have endured at the hands of the Wardens.

...

wait, what happened here?!

(Image)

Seconds ago: George Stephanopoulos voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Condemn The Order of the Grey Wardens".


Oops....

Oh dearie, dearie me. What unprincipled rogues have done this act of infamy? :)

But really I mean, nice one guys, enjoyed the show!
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Postby Arkadian Infantry Division 2 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:41 am

I'm proud of the Wardens, helping KAISERREICH with their guiding hand. This is surely a sign of things looking up for good ole KR. :D

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George Stephanopoulos
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Postby George Stephanopoulos » Fri May 19, 2017 9:49 am

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Cresenthia
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Postby Cresenthia » Fri May 19, 2017 12:08 pm

Arkadian Infantry Division 2 wrote:I'm proud of the Wardens, helping KAISERREICH with their guiding hand. This is surely a sign of things looking up for good ole KR. :D

Nice, I have even better material if I try to condemn them again.

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Postby Ridersyl » Fri May 19, 2017 1:49 pm

Cresenthia wrote:
Arkadian Infantry Division 2 wrote:I'm proud of the Wardens, helping KAISERREICH with their guiding hand. This is surely a sign of things looking up for good ole KR. :D

Nice, I have even better material if I try to condemn them again.


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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri May 19, 2017 1:52 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:Nice, I have even better material if I try to condemn them again.


The vibrations of a collective facepalm echo throughout the Security Council Chamber.

Wot? No reaction gif Syl? You're slipping. :)
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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri May 19, 2017 2:17 pm

Cresenthia wrote:
Arkadian Infantry Division 2 wrote:I'm proud of the Wardens, helping KAISERREICH with their guiding hand. This is surely a sign of things looking up for good ole KR. :D

Nice, I have even better material if I try to condemn them again.


Well, I can see you're definitely see the bright side of life. Have your draft booed, you ignore them. Have your proposal basically crushed, say that you were glad that it actually reached quorum. See your region get raided, say you're glad that you have more information to use! Honestly, there need to be more people like you to amuse us see the bright side of life.

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