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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:55 pm

Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:59 pm

Why does the proposal have to be entirely in bold?
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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.

How nice and considerate. A very humble gesture indeed.
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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Cepcecic Diplomacy wrote:DISTINGUISHING The Rejected Realms for being a founder member of the ADN, and later the FRA.

TRR weren't a FRA founding region :P
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Right. I'll correct it to "Influential Member".
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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:18 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.

You know, if you hadn't suspected or still suspect that I didn't write all of the proposal, you wouldn't be using such language.
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.


That's a rather selective rule. Accidental multi'ing was rather common back before safe switching among R/Ders. A lot of more veteran invaders and defenders have a multi'ing charge on their record; especially if you were an organization leader and you were handing out clean puppets for fresh recruits to use for raids/liberations.

It's also quite common for newbies to multi and then mature as players along the way. I believe Sedge (now a SC mod) did that, I certainly did (I was young and even more stupid than now! :blush:)
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Postby Consular » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:15 pm

"APPALLED that The Rejected Realms has been underappreciated for so long, and has failed thus far to be noticed by the esteemed members of the World Assembly for it's outstanding performance and resolve."

This line irks me. It's just self-deprecation.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:49 pm

Cepcecic Ghost wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.

You know, if you hadn't suspected or still suspect that I didn't write all of the proposal, you wouldn't be using such language.

Wrong again.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:25 am

Unibot III wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Not this rubbish again. As I said before:
....neither myself personally nor the TWP government will knowingly support a proposal written by someone who was dismissed from the WA for multi-ing.


That's a rather selective rule. Accidental multi'ing was rather common back before safe switching among R/Ders. A lot of more veteran invaders and defenders have a multi'ing charge on their record; especially if you were an organization leader and you were handing out clean puppets for fresh recruits to use for raids/liberations.

It's also quite common for newbies to multi and then mature as players along the way. I believe Sedge (now a SC mod) did that, I certainly did (I was young and even more stupid than now! :blush:)

We have a history of kicking WA cheats from TWP and we've made it a matter of policy not to knowingly support any proposal written by such an author.

In this case with a population of over 2.5 billion the author could hardly be classed as a newb.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:55 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:In this case with a population of over 2.5 billion the author could hardly be classed as a newb.

Population doesn't mean a nation is knowledgeable. They could have spent their entire time in a region with friends with no contact with the outside NS, you just don't know. Hell, i'm a 25 billion nation and i'm still a newb in NS.
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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:52 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:In this case with a population of over 2.5 billion the author could hardly be classed as a newb.

Population doesn't mean a nation is knowledgeable. They could have spent their entire time in a region with friends with no contact with the outside NS, you just don't know. Hell, i'm a 25 billion nation and i'm still a newb in NS.

Can we not turn this into a roast session? I mean, I am pretty knowledgeable about Nationstates and the rules, algorithms, APIs, NS Tradition, etc.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:53 am

Cepcecic Ghost this is the second time you've posted a new thread for a re-draft of the same proposal, and thus the second time I've had to merge the thread into this one. *** Warned for spamming ***

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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:22 pm

My proposal just reached quorum!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1492698765

Also, sorry Sedge!

I have a question for you Sedge. Is it true that you were banned from the WA once for Multi'ing?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:18 pm

I rarely vote against based solely on author, but the author of this is not only a repeat-offender WA multi, but is currently banned from Europeia for repeated RMB spamming.

Total opposition. Nuke it from orbit.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:56 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:I rarely vote against based solely on author, but the author of this is not only a repeat-offender WA multi, but is currently banned from Europeia for repeated RMB spamming.

Total opposition. Nuke it from orbit.

Good to see my dislike of WA cheats is shared.
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:29 am

I am against this proposal because it is not well-written and does not adequately describe the achievements and good qualities of The Rejected Realms. This region deserves better.

In addition, I quote The Bruce:
The Bruce wrote:There really, really needs to be more about the history of the region ... Having a resolution to commend the Rejected Realms without any mention of Kandarin is just wrong.

The Rejected Realms has been around over ten years!

It boggles the mind that there isn't more included in a resolution about a region that's been around that long and had many notable personalities during that time.

It's the equivalent of writing a book about the last ten years in the history of Russia and all there is is a mention of some diplomacy with Belarus.

Take some time, dig into some forum archives, and get some material.
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Postby Cepcecic Ghost » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:09 am

So, clearly my proposal is HIGHLY popular.
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:08 am

Cepcecic Ghost wrote:I have a question for you Sedge. Is it true that you were banned from the WA once for Multi'ing?

No, that was you.

And don't threadjack either.

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Postby Druznia » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:05 am

I do not care what people say, this is one of my favourite regions and deserves commendation.

Firmly FOR.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:47 am

I'll just quote Montmorencia, whose is with me in Forest for why I am voting AGAINST:
"The Rejected Realms is certainly a commendable region. However the resolution which commends the region should as commendable as the region it was written for."
So basically, while the TRR is likely commendable, the proposal is poorly written, not researched, and is generally bad.

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The Blind Man
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Postby The Blind Man » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:56 am

While I agree that the region should be commended, it is being grossly undersold by the wording and limited scope of the proposal on the floor. It is an injustice to let so much of its clearly storied past be forgotten. I reject this proposal on the grounds that this needs to be expanded upon greatly, and for a disturbing lack of research.

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Postby Mount Seymour » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:03 am

TRR's worthy of a commendation, but the substance of this commendation does not give anywhere near due credit to the full history of TRR. Like Kaboom, I don't often vote on SC proposals based on their authors, but a half-researched proposal written by a WA multi who's banned from multiple regions would not serve to highlight TRR's achievements but rather to tarnish its appearance.

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Postby Libetarian Republics » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:15 am

It's difficult to summarize the exhaustive, extensive, and comprehensive information of the Rejected Realms, its history, and its accomplishment into a resolution format.

I can tell that the majority (or even all of the text) of the resolution can be cited by the dispatches in the Rejected Realms that are meant to attract people to the region. As The Bruce cited, there's hardly any mentions of any of the influential figures like Crazy Girl or Kandarin (given that they are both commended already by this body, it would be fair to also include other important figures like historical RRA commanders who can no longer be commended due to being CTEd.) Also, the dispatches aren't enough alone to represent the story of the Rejected Realms.

I've seen this resolution submitted to the WASC several times already, and I'm disappointed to see that the content hasn't changed significantly (no additional information that couldn't be found in the dispatches.)

Lastly, as GRO stated, this commendation is incomplete without Kandarin's BBQ & Grill.

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Postby Canton Empire » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:19 am

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Postby Sapnu puas » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:24 am

All I have to say is the spam in the rejected realms is infinite :meh:

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