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Kalinin K-7
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[DEFEATED] Liberate Femdom Empire

Postby Kalinin K-7 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:56 pm

"Liberate Femdom Empire" is not sponsored by the region The Rejected Realms.

This is the proposed proposal - it has been submitted by The Rejected Realms, a puppet of mine. Please feel free to post your comments, concerns, questions, and criticisms.

The Security Council,

Defines the term Authoritarianism as an ideology that favors a concentration of power in a leader or an elite that tends to lead to oppression and tyranny and the term Fascism as an ideology that favors region over nation and stands for a centralized autocratic government that is led by a dictatorial leader, maintains strict social regimentation, and wipes out opposition;

Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Fascist regions, or more specifically Nazi Europa, The Iron Guard, and The Iron Order, to help defend against The CAIN through suspicious methods in a recent conflict to capture Femdom Empire;

Further Disturbed by Femdom Empire’s collaboration with Authoritarian regions, or more specifically Federation of Greater German Republics, Great Empire of Great Cyan, KAISERREICH, Krumpelburg, Order of the Southern North, and Psychotic Dictatorships in the aforementioned conflict;

Observing that Femdom Empire is enforcing border control, presumably to secure the region fully by refounding it;

Seeing that one of the mentioned Fascist regions is connected to Nazi Europa, which has recently already almost destroyed The Arab League;

Generally Annoyed by Femdom Empire’s willingness to cooperate with Authoritarian and Fascist regions,

Acknowledging the presence of military forces who seek to eradicate Authoritarianism and Fascism;

Aware that these forces may only act on an unique opportunity for their goals if the border controls of Femdom Empire are struck down;

Hereby Liberates Femdom Empire.
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Postby Drasnia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:40 am

Uhh, is this a condemnation or a liberation? Because they way this is written, it sounds awfully like a condemn. If you want to make this an offensive liberation, you need to make sure you tell us why it is beneficial to pass this bill in order to defeat Femdom. Right now, you've got nothing that convinces me we should be liberating instead of condemning.
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Postby Kalinin K-7 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:43 am

Drasnia wrote:Uhh, is this a condemnation or a liberation? Because they way this is written, it sounds awfully like a condemn. If you want to make this an offensive liberation, you need to make sure you tell us why it is beneficial to pass this bill in order to defeat Femdom. Right now, you've got nothing that convinces me we should be liberating instead of condemning.


To prevent the spread of Authoritarianism.

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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:51 am

Kalinin K-7 wrote:
Drasnia wrote:Uhh, is this a condemnation or a liberation? Because they way this is written, it sounds awfully like a condemn. If you want to make this an offensive liberation, you need to make sure you tell us why it is beneficial to pass this bill in order to defeat Femdom. Right now, you've got nothing that convinces me we should be liberating instead of condemning.


To prevent the spread of Authoritarianism.

But how does it prevent the spread of authoritarianism? You need to tell us that in the proposal text.
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Postby Bedetopia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:01 am

Kalinin K-7 wrote:A draft to prevent the spread of Authoritarianism.

The Security Council,

Upset with Femdom Empire's rampant Authoritarianism, or complete rule by a dictator;

Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Nazi Europa to defend against CAIN in a recent conflict,

Discouraged that Femdom Empire seems to promote Authoritarianism, or in this case, Feminist Authoritarianism, to the masses through its dictatorial rule;

Distressed that Femdom Empire is potentially causing the spread of Authoritarianism, thus limiting nations' rights in influenced regions;

Acknowledging that the spread of Authoritarianism generally causes for poor regional governance among one region's nations,

Wishing to liberate Femdom Empire for its prompt destruction by the Coalition Against Authoritarianism to prevent the spread of Authoritarianism;

Hereby Liberates Femdom Empire.


Trying to liberate Femdom because you failed to stop a month-long defense? Shameful.

You have no valid arguments either. If the natives like to be ruled by a dictator, let them be. Hell, you even mention that the sole point of this liberation would be to destroy the region, that's not how it works.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:17 am

I'm really struggling.

I'm for the liberation itself, but the author doesn't exactly seem to be a beacon of anti-nazism and the like and the resolution text I didn't even bother to finish.
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Postby Sygian II » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:58 am

Aside from the fact it is not written like a liberation and more of a terrible condemnation, I'd also recommend removing any links to Nazi regions and changing anything about NE being there to just the word "Nazi".

Example: "Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Nazi Europa to defend against CAIN in a recent conflict;" should be changed to "Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Nazi forces to defend against CAIN in a recent conflict;".

Just a minor suggestion. Either way, you should probably take as many recommendations and evidence as you can get to beef up this liberation as there is a lot of controversy surrounding this particular operation.

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Postby The Second Moon Rising » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:15 pm

Native support for this?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:55 am

Drasnia wrote:Uhh, is this a condemnation or a liberation? Because they way this is written, it sounds awfully like a condemn. If you want to make this an offensive liberation, you need to make sure you tell us why it is beneficial to pass this bill in order to defeat Femdom. Right now, you've got nothing that convinces me we should be liberating instead of condemning.

I'm going to agree with Drasnia on this. Neither of your proposals are clear in what they are trying to do. They say Liberation, but they read like Condemn.

You need to make the text of your proposal much clearer.

The Second Moon Rising wrote:Native support for this?

Zero I imagine.
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Postby Caribbean Venture » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:59 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Drasnia wrote:Uhh, is this a condemnation or a liberation? Because they way this is written, it sounds awfully like a condemn. If you want to make this an offensive liberation, you need to make sure you tell us why it is beneficial to pass this bill in order to defeat Femdom. Right now, you've got nothing that convinces me we should be liberating instead of condemning.

I'm going to agree with Drasnia on this. Neither of your proposals are clear in what they are trying to do. They say Liberation, but they read like Condemn.

You need to make the text of your proposal much clearer.

The Second Moon Rising wrote:Native support for this?

Zero I imagine.

I'm thinking this is more of a pretext to an invasion by way of SC by a secret invader nation rather then a liberation effort or condemnation.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:08 am

Caribbean Venture wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I'm going to agree with Drasnia on this. Neither of your proposals are clear in what they are trying to do. They say Liberation, but they read like Condemn.

You need to make the text of your proposal much clearer.


Zero I imagine.

I'm thinking this is more of a pretext to an invasion by way of SC by a secret invader nation rather then a liberation effort or condemnation.

Offensive liberations are legal, and I can imagine that's what this is. The identity of the author doesn't exactly inspire confidence in that, though.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:26 pm

Well, at least they posted a draft than just posting straight on.
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Postby GreatNazis » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:26 pm

Bedetopia wrote:
Kalinin K-7 wrote:A draft to prevent the spread of Authoritarianism.

The Security Council,

Upset with Femdom Empire's rampant Authoritarianism, or complete rule by a dictator;

Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Nazi Europa to defend against CAIN in a recent conflict,

Discouraged that Femdom Empire seems to promote Authoritarianism, or in this case, Feminist Authoritarianism, to the masses through its dictatorial rule;

Distressed that Femdom Empire is potentially causing the spread of Authoritarianism, thus limiting nations' rights in influenced regions;

Acknowledging that the spread of Authoritarianism generally causes for poor regional governance among one region's nations,

Wishing to liberate Femdom Empire for its prompt destruction by the Coalition Against Authoritarianism to prevent the spread of Authoritarianism;

Hereby Liberates Femdom Empire.


Trying to liberate Femdom because you failed to stop a month-long defense? Shameful.

You have no valid arguments either. If the natives like to be ruled by a dictator, let them be. Hell, you even mention that the sole point of this liberation would be to destroy the region, that's not how it works.


Welcome to Antifa/CAIN on NationStates. If they can't take the region when their enemies are in the field at full strength, Liberate it so they can do it while it is defenceless.

This resolution is nothing more than enabling one side of a war to attack the other. No neutral body should allow such a thing.

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Postby Caelapes » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:05 pm

Joke's on you! The World Assembly is not a neutral body!
    
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Postby GreatNazis » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:59 pm

Caelapes wrote:Joke's on you! The World Assembly is not a neutral body!


Really? I had no idea.

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Postby Aclion » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:59 pm

pathetic
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Postby Kitzerland » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:00 pm

Aclion wrote:pathetic

Oh? Well now that wasn't very nice.
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Postby Svarttjern » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:50 am

Fairly typical of the Left to try to force a lib after the natives requested support in their defense.

Keep banging your head against that stone wall, the whole world will still know the truth of who won that little war.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:48 pm

GreatNazis wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Joke's on you! The World Assembly is not a neutral body!


Really? I had no idea.

I agree with the Nazi, for once - I wasn't aware that the WA (or at least the WASC) was intended to be non-neutral.
If it isn't, who does it favor? Communists? Capitalists? Centrists? Corporatists? Conservatives? Cosmopolitianists?
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:52 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
GreatNazis wrote:
Really? I had no idea.

I agree with the Nazi, for once - I wasn't aware that the WA (or at least the WASC) was intended to be non-neutral.
If it isn't, who does it favor? Communists? Capitalists? Centrists? Corporatists? Conservatives? Cosmopolitianists?


The World Assembly is moralistic and may be used for offensive Liberations.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:53 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I agree with the Nazi, for once - I wasn't aware that the WA (or at least the WASC) was intended to be non-neutral.
If it isn't, who does it favor? Communists? Capitalists? Centrists? Corporatists? Conservatives? Cosmopolitianists?


The World Assembly is moralistic and may be used for offensive Liberations.

That didn't answer my question.

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Proctopeo wrote:I agree with the Nazi, for once - I wasn't aware that the WA (or at least the WASC) was intended to be non-neutral.
If it isn't, who does it favor? Communists? Capitalists? Centrists? Corporatists? Conservatives? Cosmopolitianists?

Whichever side sends the best campaign telegram.

Now that's an answer. That actually makes sense, now that I think about it.
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:56 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
The World Assembly is moralistic and may be used for offensive Liberations.

That didn't answer my question.

Kanuadu wrote:Whichever side sends the best campaign telegram.

Now that's an answer. That actually makes sense, now that I think about it.


What I mean is that the World Assembly abides by morals from the general populace, not by whoever sends the best campaign telegram.

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Postby Goto Mototsugu » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:58 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That didn't answer my question.


Now that's an answer. That actually makes sense, now that I think about it.


What I mean is that the World Assembly abides by morals from the general populace, not by whoever sends the best campaign telegram.

Bwahahahahaha. That's a lie. The masses will see a telegram in their inbox from some well-known name and they will immediately vote how the telegram tells them to. Don't be naive.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:59 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That didn't answer my question.


Now that's an answer. That actually makes sense, now that I think about it.


What I mean is that the World Assembly abides by morals from the general populace, not by whoever sends the best campaign telegram.

There are a lot more people who think that things like this are morally right than I thought, then.
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:08 pm

Goto Mototsugu wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
What I mean is that the World Assembly abides by morals from the general populace, not by whoever sends the best campaign telegram.

Bwahahahahaha. That's a lie. The masses will see a telegram in their inbox from some well-known name and they will immediately vote how the telegram tells them to. Don't be naive.


...which are approved based on the morals of the general populace. Now, let's get back on topic.

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