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Appalachia
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Postby Appalachia » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:49 pm

I'm strongly concerned that Anarchestan's so called 'surrender' is actually a ploy. With natives now back in control if the liberation still passes then the Arab League is even more vulnerable to Nazi invasion than it was before. Everyone should vote against the liberation to prevent this scenario from happening.
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Postby Alkasia » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:06 pm

Everyone needs to vote against since they've been freed. A liberation now will only make it child's play to retake by raiders.

Not sure about native support, but this seems pretty straightforward.
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Postby Moral States » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:30 pm

I believe that we must vote for this as it is supporting freedom even though I do not support islam.
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What actually happened here?

Postby Unowtican » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:14 pm

After going through message boards from regions involved, I am actually a bit confused.

It looks like elections for government positions were happening and it appears that a coup may have started happening as well?

In which the one who was delegate started taking measures to protect their position.

Sorry, It just looks like a lot of stuff has happened here
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Postby Philjia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:06 am

An investigation by Philjian officials notes that there are not actually any border controls in place. What's going on here?
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Postby Second Constitutional Order » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:52 am

Guys the region is already liberated. Nazism is gone and there is no need to vote "for"

by voting for, you are giving the region a password-free pass which it doesn't need.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:01 am

Philjia wrote:An investigation by Philjian officials notes that there are not actually any border controls in place. What's going on here?

A pre-emptive Liberation. Perfectly legal.
Second Constitutional Order wrote:Guys the region is already liberated. Nazism is gone and there is no need to vote "for" by voting for, you are giving the region a password-free pass which it doesn't need.

Then someone can write a repeal.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:01 am

For the record, here is the submitted version of the proposal, without the 4b violations
OBSERVING

The violent seizure of power and martial law instituted by the brutal dictator Anarchestan, ejecting many faithful members of TAL in an attempt to seize full control, as well as disbanding all civilian forms of government. Actively suppressing opposing views, and banning envoys as well as shutting down every embassy over unfounded accusations and perpetual suspicion. Also they have forced other inactive nations to endorse them so their grip on power will not be broken. Also the above nation has banned and ejected any nation who has refused to endorse them.

NOTING

The baseless accusations towards former allies of The Arab League and diplomatic insults by Anarchestan after efforts by both Hatay and Khorason to peacefully resolve the situation.

SUPPORTING

The government in exile of The Arab League, League of Arab States and their struggle for freedom against Anarchestan's tyrannic and violent rule of The Arab League. Also supporting a planned liberation force ready to liberate the The Arab League on behalf of the rightful government.

RECOGNISING

That the The Arab League was a democratic region where all the members voted for their delegate. However Anarchestan has gone against these principles and has imposed martial law, giving themselves the authority to eject natives. Without this proposal they will destroy The Arab League in a silent and calculated manner in an effort to maintain power. Also recognising that as the natives have elected Al-Maghrebi, who has appealed for help as the rightful WA delegate of the The Arab League. Although this liberation cannot happen without the password upon the region being removed.

HEREBY

The World Assembely Security Council votes to strike down the unlawful delegate imposed password barrier in order to allow the liberation of The Arab League.
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Postby Appalachia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:32 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Second Constitutional Order wrote:Guys the region is already liberated. Nazism is gone and there is no need to vote "for" by voting for, you are giving the region a password-free pass which it doesn't need.

Then someone can write a repeal.


Yes, someone could write a repeal, leaving a period of days in which the region is not protected by border controls and the nazis could reinvade. All they'd really need to do is wait until the repeal is within hours of passing to strike and they've won. This is what comes of WA members not paying attention before they vote.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:53 am

Appalachia wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Then someone can write a repeal.


Yes, someone could write a repeal, leaving a period of days in which the region is not protected by border controls and the nazis could reinvade. All they'd really need to do is wait until the repeal is within hours of passing to strike and they've won. This is what comes of WA members not paying attention before they vote.

It also means that a defence can be mounted. The region's native nations need to organise themselves so that happens.

And remember the invading nation left the region because the vote was overwhelmingly "For".
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Postby Alkasia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:02 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Then someone can write a repeal.

What's the point of writing a repeal when this resolution can be stopped now? Stopping it now makes it so that the natives can protect their region through a password. Letting it pass makes them completely vulnerable. The entire situation of having to free them again can be avoided if this resolution simply fails.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:13 pm

Alkasia wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Then someone can write a repeal.

What's the point of writing a repeal when this resolution can be stopped now? Stopping it now makes it so that the natives can protect their region through a password. Letting it pass makes them completely vulnerable. The entire situation of having to free them again can be avoided if this resolution simply fails.

Then I suggest you mount a telegram campaign to get Delegates to change their vote.
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Postby Khorason » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:09 pm

The liberation force was not ready to deal with the cowardly invader fleeing at this time. We need time to organise our defence mesures due to his untimely departure. We appeal to any nation to write a repeal proposal so that the natives may retake control. As soon as the repeal proposal is ratified by the liberation force and natives we will propose it and begin a campaign to get it onto the voting floor and voted through to become a resolution. Whoever does write this will be recognised by the liberation force and please send me Khorason the repeal proposal before proposing it.

And thank you all for your overwhelming and unwavering support.

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Postby Amerisika » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:46 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=sc
Below the resolution text, you should see your desired buttons.

You should really check if he's a WA member first. Which he isn't.





Okay. I'm going to check.

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Black-Ace
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Postby Black-Ace » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:52 pm

Why is this even at vote? Anarchestan ain't even in power, nor were there nations actually ejected. In fact, there is no password!!!

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Postby Unowtican » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:13 pm

I actually find this proposal misleading after looking into things a bit more. It is mentioned that Anarchestan violently seized power but a closer look reveals that he was the WA delegate for 55 days before leaving of his own accord with no arguments from Natives until the last 2 weeks.

It looks like there was an exodus in which the WA Delegate and leader at the time arranged founding another region to protect against future raids. No protections or policies were put in place on leaving which pretty much left a free region. Anarchestan became the WA Delegate and formed a government of his creation with him at the top.

The proposal mentions a rightful government but how can their be a rightful government when elections were happening when stuff started happening? The proposal also mentions a rightfully elected WA Delegate, how can that be when the proposed rightfully elected WA Delegate isn't even a member of the World Assembly?

It appears that the region behind the proposal was supportive of what was happening until a friend was ejected and accused of treachery in which ties between the 2 regions were severed.

The actions of Anarchestan, although appearing paranoid, was most likely an attempt to prevent future raids and other actions were to retain their power.

In my opinion, the security council has become involved after another nation failed at an attempt for a rise in power
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:05 pm

Unowtican wrote:I actually find this proposal misleading after looking into things a bit more. It is mentioned that Anarchestan violently seized power but a closer look reveals that he was the WA delegate for 55 days before leaving of his own accord with no arguments from Natives until the last 2 weeks.

It looks like there was an exodus in which the WA Delegate and leader at the time arranged founding another region to protect against future raids. No protections or policies were put in place on leaving which pretty much left a free region. Anarchestan became the WA Delegate and formed a government of his creation with him at the top.

The proposal mentions a rightful government but how can their be a rightful government when elections were happening when stuff started happening? The proposal also mentions a rightfully elected WA Delegate, how can that be when the proposed rightfully elected WA Delegate isn't even a member of the World Assembly?

It appears that the region behind the proposal was supportive of what was happening until a friend was ejected and accused of treachery in which ties between the 2 regions were severed.

The actions of Anarchestan, although appearing paranoid, was most likely an attempt to prevent future raids and other actions were to retain their power.

In my opinion, the security council has become involved after another nation failed at an attempt for a rise in power


Well, it's too late now.

CAIN has been tricked - again. Nazi Europa has absolutely no interest in any Arab regions, and though The Arab League was invaded by the Elite Region of Global Command, a region with embassies with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH, Nazi Europa has administrators who simply don't care about Arabs and Islam in general.

This was an experiment done to see how CAIN would react towards a supposed Occupation by a "Nazi Collaborator," since Nazi Europa in the past and now has no interest in invading or occupying Islamic or Arabic regions. However, since Elite Region of Global Command, a region whose only connection to Nazi Europa was literally just its embassy, was marked as a "Nazi Collaborator," CAIN still took action to liberate The Arab League through a poorly written Liberation - though the embassies were mainly for "connection," and the WFE entry was put voluntarily by the administrators of Elite Region of Global Command and not with standard permission from Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH.

In summary: Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH were literally only connected to Elite Region of Global Command by their embassies, and not through government or military ties. Elite Region of Global Command may have had Nazi symbolism in their WFE, but that does not indicate a direct connection to either of CAIN's self-purported "Nazi Regions." Rather, it was just a region operating independently of the "Nazi Regions," but with its embassies sounding the alarm for CAIN.

CAIN needs to improve its detection agencies. Really.
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Redfaction01 Votes Yes For Arab Liberation

Postby Redfaction01 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:38 pm

Redfaction01 votes for the liberation of the Arabs we must stand for the proletariat across all nations and reigons oppressed by bourgiousie.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:17 pm

Liberate The Arab League was passed 15,075 votes to 1,717.
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Postby The Palentinate » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:45 am

I am sad this has passed. Arabs cannot manage their own lands and have a prudent track record of that. This resolution will only cause further tyranny as the current "usurper" is actually the most democratic regime these Arabs can ask for.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:48 pm

The Palentinate wrote:I am sad this has passed. Arabs cannot manage their own lands and have a prudent track record of that. This resolution will only cause further tyranny as the current "usurper" is actually the most democratic regime these Arabs can ask for.

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