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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:24 pm

Kyraina wrote:
Al-Mashab wrote:Mujahideen do not wear helmets, but sometimes we will use a flak jacket if one can be found. Most go unarmored.
does ur military have any budget?

Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.
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Postby Estainia » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:45 pm

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Kyraina wrote: does ur military have any budget?

Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.


Lets not forget it also depends on doctrine, training, and the way the military is set up as much as it is budget.
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Postby Celtica Morgland » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:16 pm

Image A regular Celt Male or Female wears this of course a bit different for females

Image after the death of Sauron the celts made noble armour look just like this

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:23 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Kyraina wrote: does ur military have any budget?

Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.

I could be accused of using excessive armour, but imagining it was mostly mass produced, couldn't armour be made affordable?

I am PMT to FT anyways so I'm not really committing any faux pas, but I was wondering.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:25 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Kyraina wrote: does ur military have any budget?

Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.


yeh bro

cuz armour is totally not useful in COIN or LIC

like at all
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:26 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.


yeh bro

cuz armour is totally not useful in COIN or LIC

like at all

Never said it isn't, but most NS warfare isn't COIN or LIC, it is straight up conventional warfare where most soldiers will be killed by artillery and planes instead of a regular soldier with an AR. Also, a good amount of NS infantry is transported in armoured vehicles and fire rounds so big that the only armour that can stop it is prohibitively heavy. My infantry wear lulzly heavy NS armour, but besides some ammo, some water, a gun, and some other supplies, everything they have is in the IFV or transported by trucks in the rear.
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Postby Secunderabad » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:30 pm

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:31 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Useful armour is expensive, honestly a good number of NS militaries would be right in abandoning infantry armour.

I could be accused of using excessive armour, but imagining it was mostly mass produced, couldn't armour be made affordable?

I am PMT to FT anyways so I'm not really committing any faux pas, but I was wondering.

Well even if it is mass produced armour is still expensive because the materials used to create it are expensive (very hard ceramics or rather uncommon metals generally make up the hard part, and UHMWPE and Kevlar are rather expensive as well).
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Postby Genivar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:32 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:I could be accused of using excessive armour, but imagining it was mostly mass produced, couldn't armour be made affordable?

I am PMT to FT anyways so I'm not really committing any faux pas, but I was wondering.

Well even if it is mass produced armour is still expensive because the materials used to create it are expensive (very hard ceramics or rather uncommon metals generally make up the hard part, and UHMWPE and Kevlar are rather expensive as well).

Thus proving that armies are an expensive waste of money.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:46 pm

Genivar wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Well even if it is mass produced armour is still expensive because the materials used to create it are expensive (very hard ceramics or rather uncommon metals generally make up the hard part, and UHMWPE and Kevlar are rather expensive as well).

Thus proving that armies are an expensive waste of money.

Or just that modern armies are a waste of money. It is very possible to make a half decent force where equipping and transporting the average infantryman costs less than $1,000. Also, if you want to sacrifice manpower efficiency, one could use only artillery that isn't self propelled but requires several men to load and fire. Really armies can be as expensive or cheap as you want them to be, it is just that everyone in NS has bottomless coffers, so there is no reason not to go for 6 million dollar men.
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Postby Kirtz » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Montiar wrote:What is your nation's soldiers field armor?

My armor is rubber. Your armor is glue.

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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:47 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
yeh bro

cuz armour is totally not useful in COIN or LIC

like at all

Never said it isn't, but most NS warfare isn't COIN or LIC, it is straight up conventional warfare where most soldiers will be killed by artillery and planes instead of a regular soldier with an AR. Also, a good amount of NS infantry is transported in armoured vehicles and fire rounds so big that the only armour that can stop it is prohibitively heavy. My infantry wear lulzly heavy NS armour, but besides some ammo, some water, a gun, and some other supplies, everything they have is in the IFV or transported by trucks in the rear.


Armour helps even more against artillery and shrapnel.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:52 pm

L3 Communications wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Never said it isn't, but most NS warfare isn't COIN or LIC, it is straight up conventional warfare where most soldiers will be killed by artillery and planes instead of a regular soldier with an AR. Also, a good amount of NS infantry is transported in armoured vehicles and fire rounds so big that the only armour that can stop it is prohibitively heavy. My infantry wear lulzly heavy NS armour, but besides some ammo, some water, a gun, and some other supplies, everything they have is in the IFV or transported by trucks in the rear.


Armour helps even more against artillery and shrapnel.

Except soldiers are spending most of their time in their IFV anyway, and in NS only really exit in cities and places where it is easy to take cover. Besides, you don't need level IV armour to survive a bit of shrapnel.
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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:55 pm

The insides of IFVs generally get filled with splinters when getting shot at, larger ones that can hurt when things like shell and mortar fragments hit the vehicle, its still dangerous inside.

EDIT: Basically soft armor like flak jackets or soft armor have no reason not to be used, they weigh almost nothing and will protect to some degree from shrapnel and that ass with the .45 :meh:
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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:01 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
L3 Communications wrote:
Armour helps even more against artillery and shrapnel.

Except soldiers are spending most of their time in their IFV anyway, and in NS only really exit in cities and places where it is easy to take cover. Besides, you don't need level IV armour to survive a bit of shrapnel.


IFVs spall...
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Postby Northpolistan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:21 pm

Northpolistan's military relies heavily on small guerrilla task forces of six men. The squads consist of a squad leader who directs the squad's actions, a sniper dressed in a ghillie suit who covers the squad from the back to take out obstacles or clear a path, an explosives expert who carries a shotgun, rocket launcher, and C4 amongst other explosives and who doubles as a mechanic, a medic who is basically just a medic with a huge machine gun for defense, and two assault soldiers with their choice of gun. All of these soldiers have minimal armor due to the fact that they must be swift and that they walk everywhere to perform their small hits.
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Postby The Jade Clan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:30 pm

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Postby Romanium Imperium » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:52 pm

Admittedly not much effort will be put into this and you get no pretty pictures.

PTly The Roman Legion utilizes the mirade of armours and mails the RL Roman Empire did; and proudly so considering thats the entire basis for this nation. [Yes, I even go through a Byzantine Stage; without the whole losing to hordes of Ottomans.]

MTly as I understand it ceramic plate-kevlar mesh is an extrodinarily protective thing, while the distinctive plate armour of iron remains ceremonial.

PMT/FT [I don't do this often] but the Interstellar Legions utilize environmentally-sealed powered armour.

Apologies for the straight crap-nature of this post.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:54 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:I could be accused of using excessive armour, but imagining it was mostly mass produced, couldn't armour be made affordable?

I am PMT to FT anyways so I'm not really committing any faux pas, but I was wondering.

Well even if it is mass produced armour is still expensive because the materials used to create it are expensive (very hard ceramics or rather uncommon metals generally make up the hard part, and UHMWPE and Kevlar are rather expensive as well).

Oh well, I'll just concoct some sort of fictional and yet somehow common place lightweight high-resistence alloy to explain it's use in FT.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:36 pm

Altamirus wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:AP cause smaller cavity wounds and are insufficient to bring down 7 foot tall rubgy beefcakes.

And that is spectra and ceramic insert sandwiched between two steel plates.

Just fire a high caliber hollow point at his unarmored legs and go from there.

Hitting a person's legs is a lot easier said than done, especially when the person is moving.

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Except soldiers are spending most of their time in their IFV anyway, and in NS only really exit in cities and places where it is easy to take cover. Besides, you don't need level IV armour to survive a bit of shrapnel.


IFVs spall...

Use spaced armour and Kevlar or UHMWPE backing to help prevent it. Also, shrapnel can hit you anywhere and your torso is only about 36% of your surface area, so the rest of your body can still be shredded by shrapnel.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:48 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Use spaced armour and Kevlar or UHMWPE backing to help prevent it. Also, shrapnel can hit you anywhere and your torso is only about 36% of your surface area, so the rest of your body can still be shredded by shrapnel.


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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:03 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Use spaced armour and Kevlar or UHMWPE backing to help prevent it. Also, shrapnel can hit you anywhere and your torso is only about 36% of your surface area, so the rest of your body can still be shredded by shrapnel.


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Beyond the fact that that would be immensely heavy (about 3x as heavy as a vest with the same protection), covering that much area would require a modern version of plate armour, but would be much more awkward since modern ballistic vests are thicker than steel plate armour.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:08 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:
GIPU for glorious Federatcion protects 95.5% of body

Beyond the fact that that would be immensely heavy (about 3x as heavy as a vest with the same protection), covering that much area would require a modern version of plate armour, but would be much more awkward since modern ballistic vests are thicker than steel plate armour.


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it's not hard armor. It's DYNEEMA soaked in dilatants. It's more like wearing a drysuit than "plate armor."
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Postby Romanium Imperium » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:13 pm

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Anyone know the name of [I feel ashamed, truly] the plate armour style used by the Roman Legion way back when?
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:14 pm

Romanium Imperium wrote:-Watches the argument brew silently.-

Anyone know the name of [I feel ashamed, truly] the plate armour style used by the Roman Legion way back when?


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