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The Anglo-Saxon Empire
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:09 pm

Sino-Japanese Empire wrote:In fairness. Neither can a squad of riflemen. @ Holding off Tanks.

No, but for a platoon of SF you can train a company of infantry who would probably have some kind of AT weapons.
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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:16 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Sino-Japanese Empire wrote:In fairness. Neither can a squad of riflemen. @ Holding off Tanks.

No, but for a platoon of SF you can train a company of infantry who would probably have some kind of AT weapons.

A single riflemen can kill a tank crew by tossing a grenade inside the slits in the side, or attaching C4 to the tank treads. Or laying a mine in front of the tank.
A single infantryman can do great things with the proper training and equipment.
And some degree of luck.
Vehicles have only one realistic purpose, and that is transporting infantry.
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Postby The Jade Clan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:18 pm

Genivar wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:No, but for a platoon of SF you can train a company of infantry who would probably have some kind of AT weapons.

A single riflemen can kill a tank crew by tossing a grenade inside the slits in the side, or attaching C4 to the tank treads. Or laying a mine in front of the tank.
A single infantryman can do great things with the proper training and equipment.
And some degree of luck.
Vehicles have only one realistic purpose, and that is transporting infantry.


Vehicles are very useful and the future of war. Tanks are very useful in destroying other vehicles and infantry. Jets are vehicles and they can devastate ground troops

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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:21 pm

The Jade Clan wrote:
Genivar wrote:A single riflemen can kill a tank crew by tossing a grenade inside the slits in the side, or attaching C4 to the tank treads. Or laying a mine in front of the tank.
A single infantryman can do great things with the proper training and equipment.
And some degree of luck.
Vehicles have only one realistic purpose, and that is transporting infantry.


Vehicles are very useful and the future of war. Tanks are very useful in destroying other vehicles and infantry. Jets are vehicles and they can devastate ground troops

Bah! If by unmanned vehicles then sure, otherwise tanks are just steel death traps.
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Postby The Jade Clan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:24 pm

No the M1 Abrams have yet to be destroyed be enemy fire. (Some have broken down)

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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:26 pm

The Jade Clan wrote:No the M1 Abrams have yet to be destroyed be enemy fire. (Some have broken down)

I just prefer fast, light, and mobile forces as opposed to heavily armed, armored, and slow forces.
I'm the mongols, your the romans.
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Postby The Jade Clan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:31 pm

Actually I'm the Conquistadors and your the Aztecs. (I am FT)

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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:35 pm

The Jade Clan wrote:Actually I'm the Conquistadors and your the Aztecs. (I am FT)

Untrue, I like small elite forces able to outmaneuver a slower, larger enemy.
Master Sun Tzu would be pleased. *bows*
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:36 pm

Genivar wrote:
The Jade Clan wrote:No the M1 Abrams have yet to be destroyed be enemy fire. (Some have broken down)

I just prefer fast, light, and mobile forces as opposed to heavily armed, armored, and slow forces.
I'm the mongols, your the romans chinese.


Fixed.
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Postby The Jade Clan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:37 pm

You can out maneuver a FTL spaceship?

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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:39 pm

Saurisisia wrote:
Genivar wrote:I just prefer fast, light, and mobile forces as opposed to heavily armed, armored, and slow forces.
I'm the mongols, your the romans chinese.


Fixed.

Why chinese?
In case of forum argument, I'm on the side of the Socialists.
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:41 pm

Genivar wrote:
Saurisisia wrote:
Fixed.

Why chinese?

The Mongols terrorized the Chinese during their invasion of China. The Romans were long gone by then (in the early 1200s).
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:44 pm

Genivar wrote:
Saurisisia wrote:
Fixed.

Why chinese?

For the historical accuracy.

Mongols never fought the Romans (you might be thinking of the Huns, I make that mistake a lot), the Mongols however butchered a hell of a lot of Chinese though.


Standard Military Armour for the Merchant Republics varies depending on whether they are light or heavy infantry. Heavy infantry wear "heavy" armour which is designed to take multiple hits from shrapnel and small arms fire without serious injury.

Light infantry are given armour more suited to their role as mobile infantry, which usually consists of a light anti-ballistics plate overlapped on a standard flak vest, with additional armour on the vital areas.

I'm going to be uploading a whole bunch of pictures of these infantry, in the coming days. So I'll repost later with more info.
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:45 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Genivar wrote:Why chinese?

For the historical accuracy.

Mongols never fought the Romans (you might be thinking of the Huns, I make that mistake a lot), the Mongols however butchered a hell of a lot of Chinese though.


Already beat you to the punch, but yeah...
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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:46 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Genivar wrote:Why chinese?

For the historical accuracy.

Mongols never fought the Romans (you might be thinking of the Huns, I make that mistake a lot), the Mongols however butchered a hell of a lot of Chinese though.

I wasn't actually thinking of specific time periods, just tactics.
But I see your point.
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Postby VietMai » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 pm

Hence why Chinese hate Mongolians.

I do mean hate by the way; like boiling rage anger loathing.
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 pm

VietMai wrote:Hence why Chinese hate Mongolians.

I do mean hate by the way; like boiling rage anger loathing.

Like how the Chinese hate the Japanese for what happened in Nanking?
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:51 pm

Saurisisia wrote:
VietMai wrote:Hence why Chinese hate Mongolians.

I do mean hate by the way; like boiling rage anger loathing.

Like how the Chinese hate the Japanese for what happened in Nanking?

Do the Chinese hate all of their neighbours?
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:51 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Saurisisia wrote:Like how the Chinese hate the Japanese for what happened in Nanking?

Do the Chinese hate all of their neighbours?

Seems that way...
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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:51 pm

VietMai wrote:Hence why Chinese hate Mongolians.

I do mean hate by the way; like boiling rage anger loathing.

Really? I'd be like the Mandalorians and be all like
*you fought well and we respect you, next time you die.*
Then I kill them.
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Postby VietMai » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:52 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Saurisisia wrote:Like how the Chinese hate the Japanese for what happened in Nanking?

Do the Chinese hate all of their neighbours?


Pretty much everyone but the Koreans.

Which is really sad because the Han think Koreans are subhuman...But they like them more than Mongolians or Japanese.

Oh right, armor.

Uh...w/e China uses /notcreative.
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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:53 pm

Anyway, threadjack over, I guess...
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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:53 pm

Saurisisia wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:Do the Chinese hate all of their neighbours?

Seems that way...

*sigh* :palm: damnit Zedong
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Postby Genivar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:54 pm

Saurisisia wrote:Anyway, threadjack over, I guess...

Oh ok, sorry.
In case of forum argument, I'm on the side of the Socialists.
I am a far-left social libertarian.
Left: 8.33, Libertarian: 5.52

Come share the fruits of my labor, and we will share the burdens of your toil.

“I’m sorry if my atheism offends you. But guess what – your religious wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions, censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, murdering of albinos, forcing girls into underage marriages, female genital mutilation, stoning, pederasty, homophobia, and rejection of science and reason offends me. So I guess we’re even.” - Mike Treder

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:07 pm

Genivar wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:No, but for a platoon of SF you can train a company of infantry who would probably have some kind of AT weapons.

A single riflemen can kill a tank crew by tossing a grenade inside the slits in the side, or attaching C4 to the tank treads. Or laying a mine in front of the tank.
A single infantryman can do great things with the proper training and equipment.
And some degree of luck.
Vehicles have only one realistic purpose, and that is transporting infantry.

:palm: We have been over this dozens of times on several threads and always have come to the exact same conclusion. Attempting to kill tanks by closing in and some how getting explosives into the tank is a way to kill the tank, but it is very difficult, especially if the tank is supported with infantry. Secondly, GTFO, tanks and other vehicles that don't transport infantry are used for many reasons, tanks allow units to engage hard targets, self propelled artillery allows you to move and fire artillery faster than you normally could, and armoured cars allow for cheap and useful anti-infantry vehicles.

Also outside of video games a platoon of soldiers can't kill a column of tanks without AT weapons.
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