Developing A History for My Nation (Open)

[Starblaydia]

Vegan peoples arrived in what are now the Vegan Royal Disricts around 1200 years ago.

Oh! Oh, oh, oh.

Considering that Simeone Di Bradini is presently (as of WC53) running around in the ancient Starblaydia of approximately 2,000 years ago, that would put paid to the origina idea of Vegan culture (language, double-i usage, etc) coming to Starblaydia from ASMV.

So actually it'll be ancient Starblaydi culture exported, in that case, then lost and assumed it came from ASMV in some sort of strange post-modern self-referencing heritage reclamation. So when Starblaydia is in its Britannic/Midlonian English-inspired phase in the 16-19th centuries, contact with ASMV and the presumed earlier importing of Vegan influences into Starblaydia means the Vegan culture becomes fashionable and takes a hold again, in the place it, weirdly, first came from, as they assume it's going back to the roots of an original foreign import that's an inviolable part of the national character.

I think the fourth wall just imploded into a big timey wimey ball, and my brain hurts.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

3. Vegans are not 100% human.

I have been saying that for years, if you don't eat meat you aren't human.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Vegan peoples arrived in what are now the Vegan Royal Disricts around 1200 years ago.

Oh! Oh, oh, oh.

Considering that Simeone Di Bradini is presently (as of WC53) running around in the ancient Starblaydia of approximately 2,000 years ago, that would put paid to the origina idea of Vegan culture (language, double-i usage, etc) coming to Starblaydia from ASMV.

So actually it'll be ancient Starblaydi culture exported, in that case, then lost and assumed it came from ASMV in some sort of strange post-modern self-referencing heritage reclamation. So when Starblaydia is in its Britannic/Midlonian English-inspired phase in the 16-19th centuries, contact with ASMV and the presumed earlier importing of Vegan influences into Starblaydia means the Vegan culture becomes fashionable and takes a hold again, in the place it, weirdly, first came from, as they assume it's going back to the roots of an original foreign import that's an inviolable part of the national character.

I think the fourth wall just imploded into a big timey wimey ball, and my brain hurts.

That does make a strange sense as the Vegan peoples before that time were ocean-traversing gypsies of a sort. The culture established once deciding upon a homeland would have had to start somewhere considering that the Vegan peoples themselves would have had little idea of how to do most basic things such as defensive architecture or even producing clothing suitable for such things as woodcutting or farming. (hope i have said that right) so an import of land-based culture woudl make sense and your people losing such given your history is very plausible.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Okay, thanks, that I can work with: What with the Valanorans and Starblaydians also being involved, I'd been worried that this might have to be several thousand years before the Bears could have been around.

though it gave Star a headache, I decided to stick with some RL distinctions. I moved ASMV to AO from elsewhere and that timeline worked. The Vegan people themselves have a much longer history than the nation itself. i made the decision to keep the history of ASMV in AO shorter on purpose. Now, the histories of what you develope can be of any length you like. Just because I hadnt taken it over yet doesnt mean it didnt have a much longer history. So use whatever you think.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

3. Vegans are not 100% human.

I have been saying that for years, if you don't eat meat you aren't human.

Correction of a completely off topic comment

Vee-gans as in RL Vegetarians have the right to eat what they want, but that point really has zero basis here.

Vay-guns - The race of peoples that make up the majority of the population of ASMV - do eat meat as a majority and some of the more fanatic would hold you in contempt for just the mispronunciation of the name, the inflection intended notwithstanding.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I have been saying that for years, if you don't eat meat you aren't human.

Correction of a completely off topic comment

Vee-gans as in RL Vegetarians have the right to eat what they want, but that point really has zero basis here.

Vay-guns - The race of peoples that make up the majority of the population of ASMV - do eat meat as a majority and some of the more fanatic would hold you in contempt for just the mispronunciation of the name, the inflection intended notwithstanding.

It was a joke, don't take it seriously.

[Dainer]

Dragons, you say? Maybe there could be some history tying ASMV to Dainer, which also has people of draconic origin. If you don't mind.

I was thinking of starting with a far western area like Thryvist or Radience...

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Thryvist would be awesome. Thanks.


And I apologize for the rudeness to The Anglo-Saxon Empire. Bad day, that was

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

If you have developed a story so far, please tell me so I can help you...

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Most areas are open as to their history before they were swallowed into the Empire. That information can be found in the OP. Other posts in here show developement for different areas. Basically just pick one that has not been spoken for and go crazy. If I like it, which as long as it is reasonable I probably will, I will use it as a part of my pre DSE history. Thanks

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Are the ones in bold the ones with or out a history

[Dorian and Sonya]

Vegan peoples arrived in what are now the Vegan Royal Disricts around 1200 years ago.

Oh! Oh, oh, oh.

Considering that Simeone Di Bradini is presently (as of WC53) running around in the ancient Starblaydia of approximately 2,000 years ago, that would put paid to the origina idea of Vegan culture (language, double-i usage, etc) coming to Starblaydia from ASMV.

So actually it'll be ancient Starblaydi culture exported, in that case, then lost and assumed it came from ASMV in some sort of strange post-modern self-referencing heritage reclamation. So when Starblaydia is in its Britannic/Midlonian English-inspired phase in the 16-19th centuries, contact with ASMV and the presumed earlier importing of Vegan influences into Starblaydia means the Vegan culture becomes fashionable and takes a hold again, in the place it, weirdly, first came from, as they assume it's going back to the roots of an original foreign import that's an inviolable part of the national character.

I think the fourth wall just imploded into a big timey wimey ball, and my brain hurts.

I swear the two of you think too narrowly at times. Perhaps the similarities in your cultures (that you both love to build upon) were not Starblaydi or Vegan to begin with but both of you had them introduced into your cultures from peoples native to the area that ASMV settled. That would explain how you got it a bit earlier even though it would seem to most modern people to have come from ASMV. You know most people don’t follow their own histories that closely. This idea would also open up a whole new box of worms for the two of you to explore.

Are the ones in bold the ones with or out a history

He should really update the list in the OP. Anything not in blue would be open to be worked on.

1-3 Errion Vega*, Sa’una Vega*, Qalim Vega* (ASMV)
04 Dwarvenhamme(Dwarf) - (Starblaydia)
05 Undermountain (dwarf)
06 Stonengarten (dwarf) (Tarrentum)
07 Erda Khaza
08 Carrington (ASMV)
09 Tapia Reis*
10 Alariz
11 Meldinburgh(Bears Armed)
12 Sa-Aln (Starblaydia)
13 Radience
14 Zirakul (ASMV)
15-17 Millsport, Lai Una Risse*, Falcione (ASMV)
18-20 Sunset Ridge, Mujak, Eros (ASMV)
21 Isla De Marte
22 Tobia (zwangzug)
23 Compar
24 Rivii Atur*
25 Irildur
26 Parthenon
27 Vega Dras*
28 Triari Rivii*
29 Jaris
30 Kelsey
31 Thryvist (Dainer)
32 Misii*
33 Eversol
34 Kura Kurii*
35 Kunei* (Starblaydia)
36 Carr
37 Shalerix
38 Piossa
39 Juhinx*
40 Aewesii*
42 Ifreet (Orlkjestad)
43 Malachi (The Archregimancy)
44Turin (Valanora)
45 Hegdellin
46 Acai
47 Tronjheim
48-53 Montejeau, Royan, Loire, Mourenx, Vierzon, Cambrai (ASMV)

[Starblaydia]

I swear the two of you think too narrowly at times.

We're men! What did you expect?

Perhaps the similarities in your cultures (that you both love to build upon) were not Starblaydi or Vegan to begin with but both of you had them introduced into your cultures from peoples native to the area that ASMV settled. That would explain how you got it a bit earlier even though it would seem to most modern people to have come from ASMV. You know most people don’t follow their own histories that closely. This idea would also open up a whole new box of worms for the two of you to explore.

More worms... I'll have a think.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Thryvist would be awesome. Thanks.


And I apologize for the rudeness to The Anglo-Saxon Empire. Bad day, that was

No problem, I should have added a joke tag or something, since detecting sarcasm is impossible over the internet.

[Astholm]

Is it OK if I submit some place-name history for this since I know some info about place-name formations etc... Just a thought.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Isla De Marte was a small country which was ravaged by civil war. It was a sea side nation which relied on imports and exports for trade. One day there was a huge civil war where the king of Isla De Marte was killed. The war turned the country into anarchy and no one wanted to enter the country, so there was no more imports or exports, so they ran out of money, and in order to survive, they had to become part of the empire

[Tarrentum]

The Victory of the First Encounter

{The following account was given by the Stonen-Dwarves during their time among the Vegans when formal peace talks commenced between Stonengarten and the DSE. The story was transcribed by one Fr. Callen Sereus and attested to be as true to the dwarven tongue, spoken by Stonenbara Broghn Deriin, as possible. Historically, it is the retelling by the Stonen-Dwarves of the death of Saint Theophanes the Faster of the Vegan Near Caves and Apostle to the Vegans.}

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"The deep was bare, formless, dark and quiet; nothing was alive, nothing toiled. Only Dwara Himself was there and He felt alone. Feeling the growing quiet clamoring closer and closer to Him, Dwara decided to create us as His companions.
There we strove in the deep creating our history, our lives and our bara. There we split into the Gruse Stonengarten Claane: Deriin, Meriin, Saria and Tezzen. In the deep we shod our men in armor strong and stout, there we grew our beards to touch the very rock from which we were hewn!"

"I shall tell you how we came to conquer those whom you call the Vegan of the Edzanara.
Lohn Meriin, Patriarch of his Clan, sought to expand his clan bara, which he had the right to do in accordance with our traditions. Seeing that the rock was unhewn and good on the outskirts of his rezzen Clanbara Meriin sent out word by runners to his clan for able-bodied dwarves to be miners and ahlekeepers, along with their apprentices. Clanbara Meriin also summoned his army to gather in his Claanbara one week afterwards. During the week he kept his own clan household busy by issuing strict instructions to the miners, the ahlekeepers and their apprentices, the butchers, the guards and the servants to provide for the coming groups. In the Claanbara they set up tents, galleys and ahlehouses. To his sons, Terren and Gozhn, he gave charge his two guard units to train and drill in anticipation of the rabble of farflung clan dwarves."

"Soon the dwarves and their families came streaming to Meriin's Keep. The best miners were immediately known from the many festivals in Stonengarten. They were placed in charge of the remaining miners and set them into 10 groups of 10, they would be the vanguard of the claantroug. Then the military dwarves and militias were divided and aligned by Terren and Gozhn into the order which Meriin had indicated beforehand. This regiment held 50 groups of dwarves in it all clad in fine link mail and chain. Their longswords were sharpened and their helms polished and the sight of the full might of Meriin was terrifying. Behind them were the ahlekeepers and their apprentices with their carts of ahle. Next were the war musicians whose drums and pipes bespoke terror to those opposing the claantroug. The rear was of the families of those traveling, the women protecting the young and the weak with their own fierce martial style. Among the entire claantroug Meriin, Terren and Gozhn would walk - heeding to the needs of those dwarves needing disciplined. Each was armed with fine, proven longswords around their waists; to each was lashed a terrifying double-headed axe from Stonengarten. They were each clad in fine armor made from the best shinensilver and inlaid with magnificent fierenshinen."

"When Meriin reached the far reach of his rezzen he called for miners to begin their work and the claantroug set up their encampment. Along with the miners Meriin called for the lizttag. Here were the dwarves, small of height but strong of stamina, that could move ahead of the miners and open up light shafts to illuminate the claantroug's way each carried on their backs the warhammer which Therrun devised to defeat the mighty Dwara. The best of the lizttag were the twins Olhn and Faria, a male and female born 15 years before to Meriin's oldest daughter. The twins were dear to their grandfather's heart but Meriin knew they were the best lizttag of the clan."

"Before the great claantroug Olhn and Faria toiled, clearing light shafts so quickly that they distanced themselves from the others by one day's hard journey. As Faria started on the last light shaft the wall before her crumbled, leading to an opening that only went up. Olhn saw that the climb was hard but Faria, being curious and defiant, decided that she would climb to see where it would lead. The twins labored hard and eventually came to a gently slope upwards. Here again Olhn bade his sister to stop for all they carried were their picks, ladder, candles and two pints of ahle. But Faria then saw a movement up ahead and the two came out into the shining sun."

"They were quickly overwhelmed by the light, the smells and the heavy sky air. Olhn convinced his sister that the movement was a ka from above and they rested overnight in that place. The morning brought a new smell to the siblings, a trap undoubtedly set by the Robed One and his guards. This smell was that of bread and Olhn and Faria could only talk about how the smell would only be enhanced by ahle. They crept towards the Robed One's campsite and hid themselves from the unseemly sight before them: a dwarf so large and thin that Faria thought he would fall over in the wind of the mountain. Around the Robed One stood others, guards, which soon spotted the frightened movement behind the rocks."

"There, spotted and uncovered, the guards moved towards the twins. Olhn jumped from his behind his rock and smote the first guard in one fell swoop of his pick. But others, more cunning, surprised them from behind and bound them together. They drug the twins out of the cave into the air and the huge sky, the never ending ceiling, caused the young lizttag to lose their heads."

"Later, when darkness had encroached upon them, Olhn awoke to find the Robed One and his guards in terrible ritual, praising crossed planks and drinking blood. Their language he knew none of but continued to hear the curse of Nomm-ne Pat-tre uttered over and over again. After their accursed ritual Faria awoke just as the guards descended upon them and brought them before the Robed One. Here Olhn saw that he wore a smaller version of the crossed planks with a skeletal image of a being just like the Robed One on it. There the Robed One spoke at great length to Faria and Olhn with the curse of Nomme-ne Pat-tre sounded again and again over them. Olhn and Faria then had the graven plank image thrust upon their brow as the Robed One yelled in fury. Then a bucket of water was placed before the twins and the guards tried to drown each twin three times."

"After this attempt to kill two of our very best lizttag the guards placed the twins near the back of the cave and kept them under watch. As the guards fell asleep and the Robed One left the cave, Olhn and Faria freed themselves and clamored down back into our world. There they embraced for their good fortune and escape from the Robed One and his minions and started their journey back to the claantroug. When they came upon their fellow lizttag a great clamour went up as they saw they way that the twins were harried and freighted. 'What could possibly freighten strong Olhn and deft Faria?' they called out to each other."

"When they came to their grandfather's tent, the twins were given all manner of foodstuffs and ahle and were given immediate audience with Meriin. There they told him of their trials and how the Robed One and his guards attempted to kill them through curse and through torture. Meriin was enraged that a spindly being from above the stonen would attempt to harm one of his powerful family and cried out to Terren and Gozhn. Clanbara Meriin's sons came to their father and heard what Olhn and Faria had spoke to him. They too became enraged and the great Clanbara's formulated a plan of attack on the Robed One's cave."

"Terren, the eldest, would lead his claanbara immediately up the path that the twins had created and watch the path to the Robed One's cave. There they would wait with 10 casks of ahle. They would wait and drink their fill, rejoicing at the victory sure to come, until the last cask was cracked. Then Terren would instruct his war drummers to begin the Great Stone Dwarf March!"

"Gozhn would lead his claanbara around Terren to find another way into the cave. He was instructed that, failing finding another route into the caves, he would immediately set his lizttag to work making a way into the tunnels. Following behind the lizttag would be his best warriors, behind them, his war drummers."

"The time came when Terren and Gozhn were in place. Terren saw the horrible Robed One and his guards, who had crown to a fierce number. When he saw them they seemed to be deep in ritual, with the Robed One forcing his guards and followers to drink from a cup - something that seemed to be blood. Terren hurried back and gathered his claanbara with great force and speed they drew up themselves into groups - drank their ahle until the last cask was finally opened and the glorious march began!"

"What thunder the war drums caused! What sound they used to scare the Robed One. A day had passed to drink the ahle when the final cask was cracked. The drums had been playing for hours when finally Terren sent his advance force into the fray. They reported back that only the Robed One remained, terrified from where they could see him. By this time Gozhn came to his brother and they joined their claanbara as one."

"What speed with which they struck! What power the stone unleashed! They swept into the cave slaying the Robed One at once then the great claanbara swept out of the cave down the mountainside and crushed all resistence before them. Great was the fight that day and great was the plunder with which we took back!"

[Bears Armed]

Are the 'Anumians' around Carrington entirely native, or is their dominant culture of colonial origins instead? If it's the latter then roughly when did those colonists arrive? I'm thinking of using opposition to their expansion as a significant factor in the history of the hairier people around Meldinburgh...

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Are the 'Anumians' around Carrington entirely native, or is their dominant culture of colonial origins instead? If it's the latter then roughly when did those colonists arrive? I'm thinking of using opposition to their expansion as a significant factor in the history of the hairier people around Meldinburgh...

They would have been expansionists that arrived shortly before my peoples. They would have had great initial success but fallen off later before giving up on the colonization altogether. The conflict you mention could have been huge as a deciding factor in their leaving abruptly. Awesome.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Isla De Marte was a small country which was ravaged by civil war. It was a sea side nation which relied on imports and exports for trade. One day there was a huge civil war where the king of Isla De Marte was killed. The war turned the country into anarchy and no one wanted to enter the country, so there was no more imports or exports, so they ran out of money, and in order to survive, they had to become part of the empire

Thanks. That gives me something that definately be expanded into some great history.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Snip

Awesome work as always. Thanks so much

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Isla De Marte was a small country which was ravaged by civil war. It was a sea side nation which relied on imports and exports for trade. One day there was a huge civil war where the king of Isla De Marte was killed. The war turned the country into anarchy and no one wanted to enter the country, so there was no more imports or exports, so they ran out of money, and in order to survive, they had to become part of the empire

Thanks. That gives me something that definately be expanded into some great history.

Your Welcome

[Dainer]

Well, let's see if I can whip out something basic here. Ahem.

Thryvist was a distant trading outpost of the Daineri draco-humans, who have been sailing since ancient times. Long before the DSI occupation, ports all over the future Empire were occasionally visited by their junk-like ships. It was historically ruled by the Skedar clan (which used bright green as their color, hence the flag of Thryvist). However, the majority of the population was always human, both native and immigrants from Dainer itself.

Draco-humans can pass for regular people without much trouble in places where people aren't familiar with them. Over time some of them migrated, spread over the territory of the DSI and mingled with local populations, helping contribute to the draconic part of the Vegan genetic pool.

When word of the purges in the eastern areas reached Thryvist, many draco-humans made the journey back to Dainer, fearing for their safety. Emigration and death reduced their already thin numbers, and the surviving ones are now in a much lower social state than they were before.

Curious fact: a red-scaled dragon was brought to Thryvist from Dainer hundreds of years ago. When the Empire's military came along, the head of the clan at the time planned to use the dragon as a defensive weapon to obtain leverage, but she wouldn't cooperate. They say the dragon still sleeps in the old Skedar fortress... there aren't many brave enough to check.

(How the occupation itself went, I'll leave to you)

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

--Edited-Out--

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Why haven't you bolded Isla De Marte?

Meldinburgh was the last of the countries to join the empire. It was a country that was like an island in the middle of the empire. The island's only source of income was exporting diamonds. Meldinburgh was full of diamonds and required to export them. The empire was at that time controled by a facist who wanted to conquor all the countries that were it. The facist managed to take over the other countries that were islanded in the empire but could not defeat Meldinburgh so they did not allow any exports out of Meldinburgh. They tried to pass but every time they did, whether it be on land or on air (assuming it was invented then), they were killed. 10 years later when the facist was killed, an election was held and Meldinburgh became an autonomous colony of the empire (you must have colonies if you are an empiure (proof)

Stonengarten was just a small unclaimed piece of land. After an election in Kalaspia-Shimarata the Kalashim (Kalashi emporoi (Kalashi for Empress or Emporer)) gained power and some people hated the Kalashim of the time so they left Kalaspia-Shimarata and went to Stonengarten where they started a republic and got the name Stonengarten when asking their neighbouring countries for some names. After 10 generations, the Kalashi, who became the aborigionals of Stonengarten, saw they couldn't function without an empire so they joint your empire