Flag Burning

[The Matthew Islands]

We here in the Matthew Islands, are very proud and dignified of ourselves. However Despite Foreigners being made to salute the flag 5 times a day, there are no prison sentences attached to burning our flag. A fine of 500 Gills for every flag burned is applied, and those that are simply charred are only given a fine of 50 Gills. However the social repercussions shown by the fellow Islanders will be considerable.

[DeusII]

We are not civil because we do now allow people to start violence and fires?

I said that you're not civilized because you do condone violence against dissenters.

There is no violence when punishment is conducted by the state.

Violence by the state against its own people is the worst kind of violence.

It is punishment for crimes of treason. Violence is the act of the murder or assault.

[Fatatatutti]

Violence is the act of the murder or assault.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Violence against dissenters can not be condoned in a free society. A society that attacks its own members for expressing an opinion - e.g. by burning a flag - is uncivilized.

[Satirius]

Violence is the act of the murder or assault.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Violence against dissenters can not be condoned in a free society. A society that attacks its own members for expressing an opinion - e.g. by burning a flag - is uncivilized.

Deus II is not a free society.

[Des-Bal]

I fail to see how a unified cause is weakening the nation.

The "unified cause" you're talking about is killing your own citizens. If you think you can strengthen your nation by "cleansing" it of undesirable elements, that's how genocide begins.

Dissenting ideas in themselve are not discouraged but the people who have personally fought all their lives to ensure that security of that flag genrally respond poorly to it being desecrated.

"Respond poorly" is the operative phrase there. If your people really knew what they were fighting for, their response might be more appropriate.

There truly are few things that would warrant immeadiate ,or fatal,violence from the masses. Our people just happen to think highly of their nation and respond poorly to disgusting hippies throwing blood on them. Avoid PETA and the immolation of symbols of state and you have generally free reign.

So there are "only" two ideas that you can't express without being killed by the mob? If they only murdered Jews and gypsies, would you still be patting yourself on the back?

By that logic removing a tumor is self mutalation.

They fight for their own reasons be it the benefit of their children, over taxation, or foreign intervention by powers that judge choices they have never had to make. Spend a night in the desert or in the trenches fighting communists and then tell me that their pride isn't justified.

Its not so much the idea as it is the act your welcome to express displeasure with the government but the act of burning the flag is reprehensible. You are welcome to campaign for animal rights but if you throw blood on someone they are going to set you on fire.

[Kriania]

Flag burning is illegal in Kriania, and can be punished by a fine or 5 days in prison

[Fatatatutti]

You are welcome to campaign for animal rights but if you throw blood on someone they are going to set you on fire.

There's nothing I can say that condemns your actions more than your own words. If you really believe that setting somebody on fire is an appropriate response for throwing blood....

[NS Gregaria]

You are welcome to campaign for animal rights but if you throw blood on someone they are going to set you on fire.

There's nothing I can say that condemns your actions more than your own words. If you really believe that setting somebody on fire is an appropriate response for throwing blood....

Nobody in his right mind will try to set you afire here. Of course, we're not all of right mind, but I digress. It's still not a good idea.

[Des-Bal]

You are welcome to campaign for animal rights but if you throw blood on someone they are going to set you on fire.

There's nothing I can say that condemns your actions more than your own words. If you really believe that setting somebody on fire is an appropriate response for throwing blood....

If you set someone on fire you can generally be fairly certain they won't throw blood on you again. Its really the only logical course.

[Bafuria]

It's an offence punishable by a middle finger or a spit in your coffee.

[Mykola]

In Mykola there are several different scenarios. Burning the Mykolan flag is illegal though.

1. You are not in the presence of any law enforcement, but in public.

What would happen: The citizens would then have the right to attack you, beat you, tear your limbs off, torture you, kick you. Basically anything in their power until law enforcement came, in which if that happens option two would occur.

2. The law enforcement either comes and arrests you or catch you in the act.

What would happen: They would probably begin to beat you with their night sticks, smashing your limbs, crushing your fingers before they handcuff you and drag you off to prison.

3. Once you're in prison.

What would happen: There would be a public trial, which might last about forty eight seconds in which you would have chains all over you, your hands tied and a gag in your mouth. You would simply stand in a line until you reached the judge at which he would say the crime in which you have been accused of, some sort of evidence against you, notify you that this is illegal and then sentence you.

Once sentenced you would be taken back into the prison. You would most likely be beaten along the way and, if the judge was lenient you might be sentenced to life in a hard labor camp, or to be executed the next day. If the judge was not lenient he might have sentenced you to be tortured to death, or to have a public execution.

You would be taken to your cell, chained to the wall upside down and then told that the next day would be the most painful day of your life (if you are just being tortured to death and not publicly executed). The next day you would probably be very light headed, with being upside down all night. You would be cut down, and allowed to come back into consciousness. After that you would be taken to a torture chamber, being beaten along the way. As you would walk in you would see a table with straps on it and organs lying about on the floor. You might start with being beaten with some clubs, whipped, your body cut with razors. Next after the "intro" you would have your fingers and toes crushed by a very heavy rock. Your elbows and knees would then be smashed using this method. Then you would be taken and put into an elevated metal tub.......of extremely hot coals. You would be placed on this, and to have more coals from the fire placed on top of you, you would be strapped down by very hot metal beforehand. This would cause extremely intense pain, but to add to it extremely sharp pointed screws (long screws like knives) that would have handles on the outside of the tub would be twisted into your side, twisted in and out as you would scream in pain. The torturer might even throw a hot coal into your mouth.

Once the "Bath Tub" torture was over your body would be thrown out (you would still be alive, but burnt probably with third degree burns) and strapped onto a large table with your hands stretched past your head. You might, if you are lucky be killed right here, if not then your organs would be removed from you while alive, and your genitals removed. These would then be burned before you. Then (in reverse to hanging, drawing and quartering) you would be propped up on a small gallow and hanged until you left consciousness, then cut down. After this your arms would be attached to a wooden table where your arms would be cut in segments, slowly going down the arm starting with the hands. This process would be repeated with your legs.

With this part of the torture over your opened sections of your body would be sewed up and your stubs where limbs once were bandaged over. No vital organs were taken so you would then be thrown into a cell while still alive to be left for dead for about a day. You would still be alive after another night of pain, you would then be awakened, taken to a large furnace and then thrown in and your body disintegrated, to end your pitiful life.

If you were publicly executed your might be beaten, branded (in the rectum area) cut a bit but for the most part you would die by being hanged, or beheaded.

So this might let you know that you should NOT burn the Mykolan flag, and the long torture process is most commonly used.

[Fatatatutti]

If you set someone on fire you can generally be fairly certain they won't throw blood on you again. Its really the only logical course.

So, if somebody exceeds the speed limit, you set them on fire and they'll never do it again. If your child doesn't eat his vegetables, you set him on fire - that'll teach him. With that kind of demented logic, it'll be a miracle if there's anybody left in your nation by the end of the year.

[Des-Bal]

If you set someone on fire you can generally be fairly certain they won't throw blood on you again. Its really the only logical course.

So, if somebody exceeds the speed limit, you set them on fire and they'll never do it again. If your child doesn't eat his vegetables, you set him on fire - that'll teach him. With that kind of demented logic, it'll be a miracle if there's anybody left in your nation by the end of the year.

If they exceed the speed limit you aim a flood light directly into their rear view mirror if the child will not eat his vegetables he will not eat. You burn the flag you are burnt. Fatal burning is not a form of capital punishment its how the citizen police their own communities the government prefers a far greater degree of showmanship. As for throwing blood on someone why thats just an excellent way to get your ass kicked the fires just a nice way to deal the coup de gras and dispose of the body in a streamlined fashion.

[Freidlichen]

There's actually an entire holiday devoted to burning Mykolan flags, to celebrate Freidlichen's freedom of expression.

[Milks Empire]

There's actually an entire holiday devoted to burning Mykolan flags, to celebrate Freidlichen's freedom of expression.

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[Greater Americania]

Technically your nation translates into 'Special Forces -Astan'

Which further translated reads:

"Land of Special forces"

[Lowell Leber]

Any persons caught burning any official flag of Chezovolvia is immediately arrested. If found guilty they are publicly hanged until nearly dead, disemboweled, castrated (if male), and then burned to death after being nailed onto a wooden cross.

Calm down, it''s just fabric!

I respectfully disagree, though your point is well spoken. A flag is more than just a piece of cloth or fabric, it is a symbol that people have died for in the name of what it represents. Plus, in AROLL it is punished by up to two years hard labor.

[The galatic planes]

Are lit on fire

[Person012345]

Any persons caught burning any official flag of Chezovolvia is immediately arrested. If found guilty they are publicly hanged until nearly dead, disemboweled, castrated (if male), and then burned to death after being nailed onto a wooden cross.

A cross between hanging, drawing and quartering, crusifiction and burning at the stake?

I like it.

[Allrule]

-snip-

IC:Thank you, good sir. Now I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

-Kevin Martin
Foreign Affairs Minister for Allrule

OOC:Yes, I'm going to have problems sleeping too.

[New Sparrco]

It is legal but uncommon. Although many Sparrcans are Libertarians or Anarchists, most citizen like it here too much to burn our flag. And besides, those who don't, and do decide to burn it, are usually ripped apart by the people that do.

[DeusII]

Violence is the act of the murder or assault.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Violence against dissenters can not be condoned in a free society. A society that attacks its own members for expressing an opinion - e.g. by burning a flag - is uncivilized.

It's punishment. You have to punish people so that we do not run into anarchy. Like you.

[Kwunjin]

Some citizens burn the Kwunjinian flag in their own home. Since the flag is their property and there's no way our police can find out some one is burning a flag, flag burning at home is a safe form of protest for some people.

However, if someone is caught burning the Kwunjinian flag in public then almost 100% of the time they will be fined 5,000 US dollars by the police. The person who burned the flag will also receive about 3-7 hits of the cane, depending on the judge's decision.

[Des-Bal]

Are lit on fire

Thank you!

[Yethtu]

To put it bluntly, one is not allowd to burn any flag in Yethtu, except during a homeland invasion. You see, all fabric in the country is crafted from tabaco, so the level of smoke released would be dangerous to our health. Buring flags of other nations will be shot via Ballista onto enemy vessels should such an act be deemed nessicery.